Ideally, how many children should Sikhs be having?

[Premi5]

 

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/gallery/huge-procession-eastville-memory-great-6789671

Huge procession in Eastville in memory of ‘great woman’ who had 100 grandchildren

Gurbachan Harbans Kaur Khalsa was a prominent member of Bristol’s Sikh community

 

By

Beth CruseSenior reporter

• 16:17, 11 MAR 2022
• UPDATED21:39, 11 MAR 2022

 

An incredible procession in memory of a ‘great woman’ who was a prominent member of Bristol’s Sikh community brightened the streets of Eastville this morning (Friday, March 11).

Gurbachan Harbans Kaur Khalsa passed away at the age of 90 on March 1 after suffering from dementia.

She had more than 100 grandchildren, including great-grandchildren, who turned out in great numbers to remember her extraordinary life.

Gurbachan was married to Shingara Singh Khalsa, who passed away in 2019, and founded the city’s first Sikh temple. The pair were dedicated to helping others, and were described as "massive figures" in the Sikh community.

 

Her emotional send-off started at her home address on Glenfrome Road in Eastville. At around 11.45am, Gurbachan was transported to the Sikh Temple in Fishponds by horse and carriage, followed by a truck with a Sikh flag playing music, and a long line of funeral cars.

Her grandchildren followed the horse and carriage on foot singing traditional Sikh music and holding a painting in her memory, passing the Eastville M32 roundabout as motorists stopped to allow passage. Two of her grandchildren lit colourful flares as they approached the Temple.

 

Gurbachan's grandson Hardeep Singh said: "She was a great woman. She was very religious as a 'khalsa.'" Khalsa is a group into which committed Sikhs can be initiated to demonstrate their devotion to their faith.

"But a few years ago she started deteriorating due to her age," Hardeep said. "It's going to be hard, but she's gone to a better place.

"It's sad to see her go but we're here to celebrate the long life she had."

[GurjantGnostic]

1 hour ago, Premi5 said:

 

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/gallery/huge-procession-eastville-memory-great-6789671

Huge procession in Eastville in memory of ‘great woman’ who had 100 grandchildren

Gurbachan Harbans Kaur Khalsa was a prominent member of Bristol’s Sikh community

 

By

Beth CruseSenior reporter

• 16:17, 11 MAR 2022
• UPDATED21:39, 11 MAR 2022

 

An incredible procession in memory of a ‘great woman’ who was a prominent member of Bristol’s Sikh community brightened the streets of Eastville this morning (Friday, March 11).

Gurbachan Harbans Kaur Khalsa passed away at the age of 90 on March 1 after suffering from dementia.

She had more than 100 grandchildren, including great-grandchildren, who turned out in great numbers to remember her extraordinary life.

Gurbachan was married to Shingara Singh Khalsa, who passed away in 2019, and founded the city’s first Sikh temple. The pair were dedicated to helping others, and were described as "massive figures" in the Sikh community.

 

Her emotional send-off started at her home address on Glenfrome Road in Eastville. At around 11.45am, Gurbachan was transported to the Sikh Temple in Fishponds by horse and carriage, followed by a truck with a Sikh flag playing music, and a long line of funeral cars.

Her grandchildren followed the horse and carriage on foot singing traditional Sikh music and holding a painting in her memory, passing the Eastville M32 roundabout as motorists stopped to allow passage. Two of her grandchildren lit colourful flares as they approached the Temple.

 

Gurbachan's grandson Hardeep Singh said: "She was a great woman. She was very religious as a 'khalsa.'" Khalsa is a group into which committed Sikhs can be initiated to demonstrate their devotion to their faith.

"But a few years ago she started deteriorating due to her age," Hardeep said. "It's going to be hard, but she's gone to a better place.

"It's sad to see her go but we're here to celebrate the long life she had."

Well I hope remembering her grandchildren's names wasn't a criteria for determining mental faculty. Incredible. 

[5aaban]

Some recent news regarding fertility rates

https://thelogicalindian.com/trending/fertility-rate-declining-in-all-communities-steepest-in-the-muslim-community-35476

Total Fertility Rate Falls In All Communities, Steepest Decline Among Muslims:

NFHS Data Writer: Shashwat Swaroop Garg India,  10 May 2022 10:18 PM

In the new NFHS report, the overall fertility rate of India has fallen below the replacement level of two children per woman.

 Data from the National Family Health Survey (NFHS) conducted by the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare shows that the country's overall fertility rate has declined. The Muslim community is said to have the steepest decline out of all the religious communities over the past two decades. The Muslim community's fertility rate declined from 2.6 in 2015-2016 to 2.3 in 2019-2021.

While, all the communities have shown a noticeable decline in their fertility rates, which in turn contributes to a drop in the total fertility rate of the country, the decline has been the steepest in the Muslim community, going from 4.4 in NFHS 1 (1992-93) to 2.3 in NFHS 5 (2019-21).
 

The fertility rate of the Muslim community is the highest among all religious communities. The Muslim community has faced two accelerated declines in the community fertility rate. The first decline occurred between 1992-93 and 1998-99, while the second decline occurred between 2005-06 and 2015-16, when the rate dropped by 0.8 points.

In a data report by The Indian Express, the current fertility rates of the religious communities in NFHS 5 are as follows: The Muslim Community has a fertility rate of 2.3, with the Hindu community following at 1.94 in NFHS 5. The Christian community has a fertility rate of 1.88, the Sikh community at 1.61, the Jain community at 1.6 and the Buddhist and neo-Buddhist community at 1.39—the lowest rate in the country.

Fertility Gap Between Two Communities
 

Poonam Muttreja, who is the Executive Director of the Population Foundation of India, an NGO, said, "The fertility gap between Hindus and Muslims is narrowing. High fertility is mostly a result of non-religious factors such as levels of literacy, employment, income and access to health services. The current gap between the two communities is because of Muslims' disadvantage on these parameters." She further said that over the past few decades, an emerging Muslim middle class has been realising the value of girls' education and family planning.
 

 

[Jassu]

Minimum 3

[SinghPunjabSingh]

"The Muslim Community has a fertility rate of 2.3, with the Hindu community following at 1.94 in NFHS 5. The Christian community has a fertility rate of 1.88, the Sikh community at 1.61, the Jain community at 1.6 and the Buddhist and neo-Buddhist community at 1.39—the lowest rate in the country."

What the figures above neglect to mention is that the Muslims marry off their girls at age 16 in India and that excluding Jains (who are primarily from a business background), the Muslims have the second highest proportion of castes termed as "general category" in India or "higher caste" in Pakistan and yet still have the highest fertility rates. 

In contrast most non-Muslim men in India are getting married at around twice the age that most Muslim females get married at. The two minority Dharmic faiths which are composed of a majority of economically downtrodden backgrounds (98% in the case of Buddhists and 52% in the case of Sikhs) which have the most to offer India have below replacement levels of TFR and which implies that even the poorest non-Muslims in India have lower fertility rates than so-called "higher caste" Muslims such as the Muslim Rajputs (Ranghars), Muslim Brahmins (Butts), Muslim Khatri's (Sheikhs), Pathans, Syeds etc.

The statistics imply a trajectory that there will be more than One Billion Muslims plus just across India, Pakistan and Bangladesh by 2050 in contrast to 20 million or less Sikhs in India by then unless our community gets serious about serious sewa and parchaar to non-Punjabi's in India (alongside the poorest communities in Punjabi and the Bihari's already resident in Punjab).

 

[Dsinghd]

3 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:

The statistics imply a trajectory that there will be more than One Billion Muslims plus just across India, Pakistan and Bangladesh by 2050 in contrast to 20 million or less Sikhs in India by then unless our community gets serious about serious sewa and parchaar to non-Punjabi's in India (alongside the poorest communities in Punjabi and the Bihari's already resident in Punjab).

 

There are 25 million Sikhs in India. 1.72% in 2022.

[SinghPunjabSingh]

True bro in 2011 when 1.7% of Indians were enumerated as Sikhs that translated as 20million Sikhs back in 2011.

The problem is that with a vastly below replacement fertility rate since 2011 there is no guarantee that Sikhs will be much more than 20million by 2050 or the 2051 census when the Indian population is projected to 1,650-1,700 million with Muslims on track to be 350million among that figure.

The Sikh population in India needs to be 100million plus strong by the planned census of 2051 if we diaspora Sikhs do our best to financially support education, healthcare and parchaar to the most economically weak communities in Punjab and throughout India.

[AkalkiFauj]

On 1/12/2022 at 5:05 AM, Guest Guest Sikh said:

Sikhs in the puratan times had many kids but now majority stick to max 2 children. Ideally, how many kids should Sikhs be having to increase our population?

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[Guest guest]

it depends on how much free time and money you have.   

please, if you are gong to have children, make sure YOU raise them, and raise them properly.  don't just shove them with a nanny or in some boarding school.  expecting other people to raise your children is not fair on the children.  and do you really expect strangers to care about your children, show them love and give them good moral guidance?

also don't expect your parents to raise them.  that's not fair either.  raising children is hard work.  your parents raised you and deserve time to relax!

[Jacfsing2]

If we only have 2 Sikh kids per mother, and not everyone gets married, and everyone who does get married only has one wife, the population can only decrease.