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Oh and about taxes we need to start dealing in things other than money because that's not taxed. And we need to make use of every religious nonprofit exemption and type of business practice so that any money we touch we don't have to give to these imperials bro. And in situations where we were going to have to accept money and pay taxes on it, shoot turn that into something we need and just give me that make a food donation. Buy the land deed to this little rural pot of land instead and just sign that over to the Sangat you know what I'm saying?

Back to saving money unintentionally, if everyone's saving a bunch of money because the way that we help each other, and we can afford to give more of the Gurudwara, then our taxable income becomes less and we save money just on taxes even. 

Not that Daswand is about what you get for it. But we be fools not to optimize this whole process so that we get the most from it and we can give the most because of that. 

In the realm of survival prepping, socially helping each other, and forming cooperatives and things like this, unfortunately all flavors of christian in this country are ahead of us good bad and indifferent. 

What we could do however?  Nobody's doing.  We could blow everybody out of the water. 

We could have a Sangat that Purtan Gursikhs wpuld recognize. 

I mean we've all seen how diverse the activities in the pictures surrounding the Guru Sahiban are right?

Everything from laundry, to food preparation, from Degh Seva to wrestling. Lectures on Gurmat as well as worldly educational issues. Medicine and Care being provided. 

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When I do have kids, which will be in like 15 years, I'm not going to work full time, I feel it's better to take time off work when they're really young and then work part time a few days a week until

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/gallery/huge-procession-eastville-memory-great-6789671 Huge procession in Eastville in memory of ‘great woman’ who had 100 grandchildren Gurba

4 kids is the plan. 

A lot of young women don't want to live with their in laws, including myself, because they have seen what has happen to their mothers. I know so many immigrant Punjabi women, including some people from my family, that if they had not settled abroad away from their in laws, then they would not have survived because of how messed up and controlling the families are. It is possible to have 4 kids without living with the in laws and the mother still working part time. I have a southern European friend with 4 siblings in total, with a few that are below the age of 12, and the mother still works part time. You can have the siblings, in-laws, parents and other family helping, but not live under the same roof. A lot of young women, including myself, don't want to stop working completely because they don't want to be 100% dependant on the husband for money because they have seen the consequences of that to their mothers and others around them. 

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5 hours ago, Kaurr said:

4 kids is the plan. 

A lot of young women don't want to live with their in laws, including myself, because they have seen what has happen to their mothers. I know so many immigrant Punjabi women, including some people from my family, that if they had not settled abroad away from their in laws, then they would not have survived because of how messed up and controlling the families are. It is possible to have 4 kids without living with the in laws and the mother still working part time. I have a southern European friend with 4 siblings in total, with a few that are below the age of 12, and the mother still works part time. You can have the siblings, in-laws, parents and other family helping, but not live under the same roof. A lot of young women, including myself, don't want to stop working completely because they don't want to be 100% dependant on the husband for money because they have seen the consequences of that to their mothers and others around them. 

True. But your kids in that situation are going to be in schools and other places where a lot of this life crippling abuse takes place. 

That's the trade they've forced upon us. Both work, and have just enough money, but your kids belong to us.

I hear you on the money thing. In my mind I assume men are like me and turn everything over to the family or at least spend it wisely only on the family, putting themself last. 

The more extended and older a family group is the more all the younger people can work. 

Here's another concept. Don't want to try this with your family?

Get a Bunga going and have some one else's mother live with you. 

For me personally the historic and present extent of the types of abuses that we've all been enduring while being plugged into this system makes me want to put all my energy in a different direction. 

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1 hour ago, Premi5 said:

 

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/gallery/huge-procession-eastville-memory-great-6789671

Huge procession in Eastville in memory of ‘great woman’ who had 100 grandchildren

Gurbachan Harbans Kaur Khalsa was a prominent member of Bristol’s Sikh community

 
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Beth CruseSenior reporter
  • 16:17, 11 MAR 2022
  • UPDATED21:39, 11 MAR 2022

 

An incredible procession in memory of a ‘great woman’ who was a prominent member of Bristol’s Sikh community brightened the streets of Eastville this morning (Friday, March 11).

Gurbachan Harbans Kaur Khalsa passed away at the age of 90 on March 1 after suffering from dementia.

She had more than 100 grandchildren, including great-grandchildren, who turned out in great numbers to remember her extraordinary life.

Gurbachan was married to Shingara Singh Khalsa, who passed away in 2019, and founded the city’s first Sikh temple. The pair were dedicated to helping others, and were described as "massive figures" in the Sikh community.

 

Her emotional send-off started at her home address on Glenfrome Road in Eastville. At around 11.45am, Gurbachan was transported to the Sikh Temple in Fishponds by horse and carriage, followed by a truck with a Sikh flag playing music, and a long line of funeral cars.

Her grandchildren followed the horse and carriage on foot singing traditional Sikh music and holding a painting in her memory, passing the Eastville M32 roundabout as motorists stopped to allow passage. Two of her grandchildren lit colourful flares as they approached the Temple.

 

Gurbachan's grandson Hardeep Singh said: "She was a great woman. She was very religious as a 'khalsa.'" Khalsa is a group into which committed Sikhs can be initiated to demonstrate their devotion to their faith.

"But a few years ago she started deteriorating due to her age," Hardeep said. "It's going to be hard, but she's gone to a better place.

"It's sad to see her go but we're here to celebrate the long life she had."

Well I hope remembering her grandchildren's names wasn't a criteria for determining mental faculty. Incredible. 

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3 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:

The statistics imply a trajectory that there will be more than One Billion Muslims plus just across India, Pakistan and Bangladesh by 2050 in contrast to 20 million or less Sikhs in India by then unless our community gets serious about serious sewa and parchaar to non-Punjabi's in India (alongside the poorest communities in Punjabi and the Bihari's already resident in Punjab).

 

There are 25 million Sikhs in India. 1.72% in 2022.

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On 1/12/2022 at 5:05 AM, Guest Guest Sikh said:

Sikhs in the puratan times had many kids but now majority stick to max 2 children. Ideally, how many kids should Sikhs be having to increase our population?

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it depends on how much free time and money you have.   

please, if you are gong to have children, make sure YOU raise them, and raise them properly.  don't just shove them with a nanny or in some boarding school.  expecting other people to raise your children is not fair on the children.  and do you really expect strangers to care about your children, show them love and give them good moral guidance?

also don't expect your parents to raise them.  that's not fair either.  raising children is hard work.  your parents raised you and deserve time to relax!

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If we only have 2 Sikh kids per mother, and not everyone gets married, and everyone who does get married only has one wife, the population can only decrease.

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