Why have Punjabi songs become so Arabized?

[MisterrSingh]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

I would think online forums would be a better bet, and reach a wider audience myself? Or pay Sidhu Moosewala to sing it (for maximum exposure in the panth). 

It's impossible to gauge what kind of impact is being made on places like here. It seems futile most of the time, as well as seeming like a bit of a doss. I want genuine engagement and impact. This place isn't enough.

[dallysingh101]

41 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

It's impossible to gauge what kind of impact is being made on places like here. It seems futile most of the time, as well as seeming like a bit of a doss. I want genuine engagement and impact. This place isn't enough.

Universities? 

[MisterrSingh]

On 2/13/2022 at 8:10 PM, dallysingh101 said:

Universities? 

Students are tw@ts, lol. University is another doss.

[GurjantGnostic]

On 2/13/2022 at 11:28 AM, MisterrSingh said:

It's impossible to gauge what kind of impact is being made on places like here. It seems futile most of the time, as well as seeming like a bit of a doss. I want genuine engagement and impact. This place isn't enough.

As far as forums go this is the cream of the crop. It's searchable for as long as it exists, possibly longer due to internet backups like wayback machine. 

I think our readership is actually very broad and somewhat influential, just few posters these days. 

The academic system is rather dissapointing. In person discource, or web collaborating a difficult project, or undertaking creation of a new group is something you might find challenging. 

Maybe you need one or two like minded friends to get some momentum going with. 

[dallysingh101]

17 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Students are tw@ts, lol. University is another doss.

What is it that you've got to say that you think is so new anyways? 

[MisterrSingh]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

What is it that you've got to say that you think is so new anyways? 

you're not getting any freebies from me.

[dallysingh101]

11 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

you're not getting any freebies from me.

If you think you're going to make any money out of it, wake up.........lol

Unless you're planning on being another sellout mouthpiece for outsiders to use against us? And brother, I pray you never go down that route, whatever internal issues we have.  

[MisterrSingh]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

If you think you're going to make any money out of it, wake up.........lol

Unless you're planning on being another sellout mouthpiece for outsiders to use against us? And brother, I pray you never go down that route, whatever internal issues we have.  

No, nothing like that, lol.

[proudkaur21]

To appeal to pakis who think they are arabs and Turks.

[Guest guest]

On 2/13/2022 at 12:59 PM, MisterrSingh said:

Why have Punjabi songs become so Arabized?

It's quite straight-forward yet simultaneously covers a few over-lapping areas. Not in the mood for too many words so I'll bullet-point it:

• There's a certain quality of romanticism (in terms of linguistic style) to Islamic / Arabic-derived compositions. Singers with particular types of classical training view it as a superior form (lyrically and musically) in which to express themselves. 
• The Punjabi and very early Sikh leaning (affection) for Sufism and its significant proponents (Bulleh Shah, Farid, etc) is a very significant component of this gradual Arabisation of modern Punjabi culture and art. In an attempt to "go to the root" / uncover the purest and earliest representation of an art-form or certain cultural and artistic practices, some modern-day performers inevitably find themselves being drawn to the original rendition of whichever art-form they want to explore. Musically, if you're Punjabi, you will struggle to ignore the early Islamic impact on Punjabi music, poetry, and literature in general.
• This aspect is a little controversial but I'll state it anyway: it's not a secret that Guru Nanak Dev Ji held Sufism and certain of their ways with affection.

That's it in a nutshell.

Hi these points are incorrect.

1) Theres no leaning to "Arabic derived compositions".  These aren't in the Arabic equivalent of Ragas.  None of these "singers" have any classical training worth mentioning.  Also, the classical forms (Patiala form?) is 1) all muslim singers 2) sang in Ragas, not Arabic music.

2) There is no "very early Sikh leaning (affection) for Sufism".  Bulleh Shah was not born before Guru Nanak, and Sheikh Farid is only one Bhagat out of 13 or so.  

3) In what way did Guru Nanak hold Sufism and "certain of their ways" in affection?  Please explain?  I don't see it in any Gurbani or any historical texts.