Boar's blood in amrit to test Muslim converts

[shastarSingh]

Sicques, tigers or thieves is a very valuable book having historical accounts on Sikhs from 1606 to 1810. It can be bought at 

https://www.amazon.com/Sicques-Tigers-Thieves-Eyewitness-1606-1810/dp/1403962022

It's contents and introduction can be downloaded at https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/bfm%3A978-1-137-11998-8%2F1.pdf

In the introduction it's written:

Of more concern, and a practice that would now be abhorrent, is the 
noted practice of forcing Muslim converts into the Sikh faith to take a form of amrit which includes pig blood. Variants of this observation record that Muslims are made to wear a boar's tusk as an amulet or to eat pork. This is an extremely unorthodox practice that has not survived into modern times 
and has no doctrinal roots. It is not known to have existed into the nine-
teenth century, which would imply that it was introduced in the mid- to late eighteenth century as a practical measure for a particular set of circum-stances, possibly to counter the threat to survival arising from the high risk of infiltration by opposing forces. To detract any interlopers into the faith, 
especially those from the enemy camps who were predominately Muslim, the Sikhs may well have adopted a form of truth test by forcing the convert to defY the most basic practice of their former faith. Du Perron, while describ-ing the ceremony of initiation, provides perhaps the most practical reason, centering on the necessary change of beliefs for the new initiate: "Then the 
senior Siks give them food to eat, and all that they eat is stirred with the tooth of a wild boar. This latter ceremony is especially done to a Musulman who becomes Sik in order that he no longer feel repugnance towards pork."

[shastarSingh]

John Griffiths in 1794 writes that to test Muslim converts, they are given a dish of boar's legs to eat. But to put boar's blood into amrit I hv heard for the first time.

http://sikhcybermuseum.com/history/MemorandumGrifiths.htm

John Griffiths -1794

The Seiks receive Proselytes of almost every Cast, a point in which they: differ most materially from the Hindoos. To initiate Mahommedans into their mysteries, the prepare a Dish of Hog's legs, which the Converts are obliged to partake of previous to admission. They have forbid absolutely the use of the Hookah, but they are as liberal in the use of Bang, and Ophiam, as their Neighbours. They are not prohibited the use of Animal food of any kind, excepting Beef, which they are rigidly scrupulous in abstaining from. They never shave either Head or Beard; They sometimes wear yellow, but the prevailing Colour of their Cloths is deep blue; They make their Turbans capaciously large, over which they frequently wear a piece of pliable Iron Chain or Network.

[GurjantGnostic]

22 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

John Griffiths in 1794 writes that to test Muslim converts, they are given a dish of boar's legs to eat. But to put boar's blood into amrit I hv heard for the first time.

http://sikhcybermuseum.com/history/MemorandumGrifiths.htm

John Griffiths -1794

The Seiks receive Proselytes of almost every Cast, a point in which they: differ most materially from the Hindoos. To initiate Mahommedans into their mysteries, the prepare a Dish of Hog's legs, which the Converts are obliged to partake of previous to admission. They have forbid absolutely the use of the Hookah, but they are as liberal in the use of Bang, and Ophiam, as their Neighbours. They are not prohibited the use of Animal food of any kind, excepting Beef, which they are rigidly scrupulous in abstaining from. They never shave either Head or Beard; They sometimes wear yellow, but the prevailing Colour of their Cloths is deep blue; They make their Turbans capaciously large, over which they frequently wear a piece of pliable Iron Chain or Network.

I get it. We see how targetted we are online and irl. 

People stumble just on Hindu Ana for weeks if not permanently. 

It's only a pity pedos aren't adverse to eating something. We could screen for them easier too. 

[dallysingh101]

30 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

Sicques, tigers or thieves is a very valuable book having historical accounts on Sikhs from 1606 to 1810. It can be bought at 

https://www.amazon.com/Sicques-Tigers-Thieves-Eyewitness-1606-1810/dp/1403962022

It's contents and introduction can be downloaded at https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/bfm%3A978-1-137-11998-8%2F1.pdf

In the introduction it's written:

Of more concern, and a practice that would now be abhorrent, is the 
noted practice of forcing Muslim converts into the Sikh faith to take a form of amrit which includes pig blood. Variants of this observation record that Muslims are made to wear a boar's tusk as an amulet or to eat pork. This is an extremely unorthodox practice that has not survived into modern times 
and has no doctrinal roots. It is not known to have existed into the nine-
teenth century, which would imply that it was introduced in the mid- to late eighteenth century as a practical measure for a particular set of circum-stances, possibly to counter the threat to survival arising from the high risk of infiltration by opposing forces. To detract any interlopers into the faith, 
especially those from the enemy camps who were predominately Muslim, the Sikhs may well have adopted a form of truth test by forcing the convert to defY the most basic practice of their former faith. Du Perron, while describ-ing the ceremony of initiation, provides perhaps the most practical reason, centering on the necessary change of beliefs for the new initiate: "Then the 
senior Siks give them food to eat, and all that they eat is stirred with the tooth of a wild boar. This latter ceremony is especially done to a Musulman who becomes Sik in order that he no longer feel repugnance towards pork."

If the Khalsa jathas got infiltrated regarding their strength and whereabouts, it would be a death sentence to them and their families, so it's logical that they tried to weed out infiltrators. 

[GurjantGnostic]

2 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

If the Khalsa jathas got infiltrated regarding their strength and whereabouts, it would be a death sentence to them and their families, so it's logical that they tried to weed out infiltrators. 

You know I'm a fan. 

[shastarSingh]

Just now, dallysingh101 said:

If the Khalsa jathas got infiltrated regarding their strength and whereabouts, it would be a death sentence to them and their families, so it's logical that they tried to weed out infiltrators. 

Making Muslim converts eat pork is fine.

But putting boar's blood in amrit is a bit strange. What do u say veerji?

Or may be meat eating Khalsa considered animal blood a pure enough thing to put into khande baate da amrit?

[dallysingh101]

9 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

Making Muslim converts eat pork is fine.

But putting boar's blood in amrit is a bit strange. What do u say veerji?

Or may be meat eating Khalsa considered animal blood a pure enough thing to put into khande baate da amrit?

Bhai ji, at that time, those ancestors of ours had seen so much genocides, I'm not surprised that they went extra miles to survive. If they didn't we wouldn't be here today! If these things happened it was for very good existential reasons. 

Plus, you have to be careful of goray, they will exaggerate. In one account (in the Siques, Tigers and Thieves) a gora says that our ancestors made hindus eat beef for conversion  (which isn't true) as well as making muslims eat boar. Then when he produced a second draft of his writing he removed the making hindus eat beef reference (probably because he got pulled up on it?)

Looking at the historical written record it looks like a number of strategies were employed to weed out sullay infiltrators. It wasn't just this. Prem Sumarag records burying them for a second. Others just making them eat a nice dish of 'hogs legs' (which I presume had a tasty turka going on?). 

In context - it shouldn't surprise us. 

[GurjantGnostic]

8 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

Making Muslim converts eat pork is fine.

But putting boar's blood in amrit is a bit strange. What do u say veerji?

Or may be meat eating Khalsa considered animal blood a pure enough thing to put into khande baate da amrit?

I think they had too many fakeers. Lol. Get it? Taking Amrit. 

[Jacfsing2]

15 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

Making Muslim converts eat pork is fine.

But putting boar's blood in amrit is a bit strange. What do u say veerji?

Or may be meat eating Khalsa considered animal blood a pure enough thing to put into khande baate da amrit?

I don’t think they should put any extra ingredients to Amrit, but there was less of a universal version of Sikhi back then. 

[justasking]

do you guys eat pork? i generally avoid it because its unhealthy and supposedly flesh is close to human flesh but tht being said wouldn't mind trying wild boar