Boar's blood in amrit to test Muslim converts

[dallysingh101]

4 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

I am thinking  it from a different angle. May be present day Sikhs get too emotional and make an issue out of nothing.

I hv heard people say they believe in Dasam Granth but doing it's parkash alongside Guru Granth Sahib is very wrong.

I feel such people are creating an issue when there is none.

May be 18th century Khalsa was very charrdikala and had no problem in doing double parkash or even triple parkash(Sarbloh Granth).

They had no problem in making kirpan amrit where a single Singh prepared amrit using kirpan instead of khanda and reciting Jap ji Sahib.

They had no problem in adding extra banis like Chandi di vaar alongside 5 baanis while preparing amrit.

May be they had no issue in pouring some boar's blood in amrit to test Muslim converts???

I could be wrong....

Just my thoughts....

I think a lot of this is true. I think Singh Sabha lehar standardised things due to western influence, in a way that wasn't natural to pre-colonial Sikhs maybe? 

[dallysingh101]

9 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

 

Regarding kirpan amrit for women, there is strong evidence that it happened in hazur Sahib. May be it was done to allow Khalsa fauj to marry local Hindu women and raise kids as Sikhs.

Rest Guru Sahib knows.

It's even mentioned in Prem Sumarag, which goes back at least (verifiably) to the early 1800s (if not earlier).

[shastarSingh]

51 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

It's even mentioned in Prem Sumarag, which goes back at least (verifiably) to the early 1800s (if not earlier).

I was told by a scholar that Prem sumarag  is around 1710-1715 AD.

Kirpan amrit makes sense to me.

Khalsa Fauj is the King of entire world. So if some women of some region start to like sikhi but not willing to completely give up their previous faith but ready to become 40%-50% sikh, they can be given kirpan amrit and Khalsa fauj could marry with them and raise kids as Sikhs.

This will only benefit the panth.

Plus those women who are given kirpan amrit will also achieve liberation and salvation.

[shastarSingh]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think a lot of this is true. I think Singh Sabha lehar standardised things due to western influence, in a way that wasn't natural to pre-colonial Sikhs maybe? 

Singh sabha lehar had its benefits.

But yes it had western influence.

[imhosingh]

Folks should look at the concept of Taqiya in Islam. Making them eat pork etc is pointless . They can use Taqiya clause to temporarily do whatever even if it's haram , it it helps Islam .

[dallysingh101]

1 hour ago, shastarSingh said:

Singh sabha lehar had its benefits.

But yes it had western influence.

I agree. But the introduction of alien victorian/abrahamic thinking into the panth can't be denied. 

[Jacfsing2]

1 hour ago, imhosingh said:

Folks should look at the concept of Taqiya in Islam. Making them eat pork etc is pointless . They can use Taqiya clause to temporarily do whatever even if it's haram , it it helps Islam .

Only Shias really practice Taqiya, most Indian Muslims followed a fusion of Sufi and Sunni ideas.

[shastarSingh]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

I agree. But the introduction of alien victorian/abrahamic thinking into the panth can't be denied. 

We hv also become suspicious of anything that's remotely linked to Hindu dharam.

Conch shell comes from sea. But if a sikh used conch shell, many Sikhs will call him Hindu.

[dallysingh101]

2 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

We hv also become suspicious of anything that's remotely linked to Hindu dharam.

Conch shell comes from sea. But if a sikh used conch shell, many Sikhs will call him Hindu.

Bhai Maharaj Singh ji had a conch shell with him when he was captured by the brits. 

Also, I think they used them for signalling in battle. 

[proactive]

12 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

We hv also become suspicious of anything that's remotely linked to Hindu dharam.

Conch shell comes from sea. But if a sikh used conch shell, many Sikhs will call him Hindu.

This is because of the constant no stop droning of 'Sikhs are Hindus' by Hindus. This has to lead to a reaction and that is the reaction.