Did krishan use deceit in killing this warrior?

[shastarSingh]

41 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

@shastarSingh

Are you sure the person killed is Krata SIngh and not ਕਠਿਨ ਸਿੰਘ? 

The previous dorha introduces ਕਠਿਨ ਸਿੰਘ. 

No veer ji

it's kritasatr Singh.

We also hv Punjabi translation from nihang teja Singh's teeka taken from www.sikhawareness.com

 

[Jai Tegang!]

Krishna's method is meant to be seen as a yudh-pentra, battle tactic. Krishna is praised in the very next pangti for his victory. Kritastar Singh was splitting heads left right center. He needed a take-down in the classic Cchhalia style.

Powerful adversaries require tactics to take out.

[shastarSingh]

12 hours ago, Jai Tegang! said:

Krishna's method is meant to be seen as a yudh-pentra, battle tactic. Krishna is praised in the very next pangti for his victory. Kritastar Singh was splitting heads left right center. He needed a take-down in the classic Cchhalia style.

Powerful adversaries require tactics to take out.

So krishan used chall? 

He spoke something from his mouth which was not true?

In Mahabharata, krishan also asked yudhistar to lie.

Would that be also called battle tactic?

[GurjantGnostic]

35 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

So krishan used chall? 

He spoke something from his mouth which was not true?

In Mahabharata, krishan also asked yudhistar to lie.

Would that be also called battle tactic?

It is not i but the Father that worketh through me. Lol. 

[shastarSingh]

https://www.livemint.com/Sundayapp/lvfgnLAQlYonkkKObhBmVN/The-moral-imperatives-to-a-lie.html

Krishna, the eighth avatar of Vishnu, the supreme god, tells Yudhisthira this is a war that must be won. And that if a lie ought to be told to win it, then the lie must be told. In this instance, Krishna knows Drona’s only weakness is his son Ashwathama. So, he asks Yudhisthira to spread the word that Ashwathama is dead. But Yudhisthira has a problem with that. His morality and reputation do not permit him to lie. He despises it as dishonest.

But even as Yudhisthira is thinking through Krishna’s proposition and its implications, Bhima, one of the Pandava brothers, kills an elephant named Ashwathama and screams: “Ashwathama is dead". Word reaches Drona. The man thinks it is his son Bhima is talking of. Stunned, he refuses to believe the news until he hears it from Yudhisthira and summons him.

Krishna’s words still ringing in his ears, Yudhisthira goes over to his uncle’s camp.

“Is it true," Drona asks him, “that Ashwathama is dead?"

“Yes," Yudhisthira says. And then trails off inaudibly, “Ashwathama the elephant."

Technically, Yudhisthira did not lie. But Drona doesn’t catch the words, lays down his weapons and bows his head in grief. In that very instant, on Krishna’s instructions, Dhrishtadyumna, Yudhisthira’s brother-in-law, chops his head off.

[shastarSingh]

2 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

https://www.livemint.com/Sundayapp/lvfgnLAQlYonkkKObhBmVN/The-moral-imperatives-to-a-lie.html

Krishna, the eighth avatar of Vishnu, the supreme god, tells Yudhisthira this is a war that must be won. And that if a lie ought to be told to win it, then the lie must be told. In this instance, Krishna knows Drona’s only weakness is his son Ashwathama. So, he asks Yudhisthira to spread the word that Ashwathama is dead. But Yudhisthira has a problem with that. His morality and reputation do not permit him to lie. He despises it as dishonest.

But even as Yudhisthira is thinking through Krishna’s proposition and its implications, Bhima, one of the Pandava brothers, kills an elephant named Ashwathama and screams: “Ashwathama is dead". Word reaches Drona. The man thinks it is his son Bhima is talking of. Stunned, he refuses to believe the news until he hears it from Yudhisthira and summons him.

Krishna’s words still ringing in his ears, Yudhisthira goes over to his uncle’s camp.

“Is it true," Drona asks him, “that Ashwathama is dead?"

“Yes," Yudhisthira says. And then trails off inaudibly, “Ashwathama the elephant."

Technically, Yudhisthira did not lie. But Drona doesn’t catch the words, lays down his weapons and bows his head in grief. In that very instant, on Krishna’s instructions, Dhrishtadyumna, Yudhisthira’s brother-in-law, chops his head off.

Jai tegang veer

Do you think it was a fine battle tactic or was it deceit?

[shastarSingh]

5 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

https://www.livemint.com/Sundayapp/lvfgnLAQlYonkkKObhBmVN/The-moral-imperatives-to-a-lie.html

Krishna, the eighth avatar of Vishnu, the supreme god, tells Yudhisthira this is a war that must be won. And that if a lie ought to be told to win it, then the lie must be told. In this instance, Krishna knows Drona’s only weakness is his son Ashwathama. So, he asks Yudhisthira to spread the word that Ashwathama is dead. But Yudhisthira has a problem with that. His morality and reputation do not permit him to lie. He despises it as dishonest.

But even as Yudhisthira is thinking through Krishna’s proposition and its implications, Bhima, one of the Pandava brothers, kills an elephant named Ashwathama and screams: “Ashwathama is dead". Word reaches Drona. The man thinks it is his son Bhima is talking of. Stunned, he refuses to believe the news until he hears it from Yudhisthira and summons him.

Krishna’s words still ringing in his ears, Yudhisthira goes over to his uncle’s camp.

“Is it true," Drona asks him, “that Ashwathama is dead?"

“Yes," Yudhisthira says. And then trails off inaudibly, “Ashwathama the elephant."

Technically, Yudhisthira did not lie. But Drona doesn’t catch the words, lays down his weapons and bows his head in grief. In that very instant, on Krishna’s instructions, Dhrishtadyumna, Yudhisthira’s brother-in-law, chops his head off.

 

[Jai Tegang!]

The classic example given to decide what is Truth is the example of the butcher that was chasing the cow. A tapasvi sadhu witnessed the direction the cow was heading and when asked about it by the butcher he falls in Dharam Sankat, dilemma. The truth would be to tell the butcher the direction the cow headed, but the result of it would be all but Dharam. So, the truth in that circumstance is to save the cow by not revealing it's direction.

Vishnu/Krishna is known to have used Chhall on multiple occasions in multiple avatars to uphold Dharm.

We have to use vivek, dicerning intellect, to find the path of Dharm when stuck in a sankat, dilemma. Nothing in life is clear cut. Upholding Dharam in the broader sense should be the guiding path. Sometimes you need to curve the finger to take out the butter.

Sun Tzu's Art of War says warfare is based on deception. Study any war. Look at guerilla warfare. Kharku Singhs taking out targets. Life is messy. War is messier.

 

[shastarSingh]

26 minutes ago, Jai Tegang! said:

The classic example given to decide what is Truth is the example of the butcher that was chasing the cow. A tapasvi sadhu witnessed the direction the cow was heading and when asked about it by the butcher he falls in Dharam Sankat, dilemma. The truth would be to tell the butcher the direction the cow headed, but the result of it would be all but Dharam. So, the truth in that circumstance is to save the cow by not revealing it's direction.

Vishnu/Krishna is known to have used Chhall on multiple occasions in multiple avatars to uphold Dharm.

We have to use vivek, dicerning intellect, to find the path of Dharm when stuck in a sankat, dilemma. Nothing in life is clear cut. Upholding Dharam in the broader sense should be the guiding path. Sometimes you need to curve the finger to take out the butter.

Sun Tzu's Art of War says warfare is based on deception. Study any war. Look at guerilla warfare. Kharku Singhs taking out targets. Life is messy. War is messier.

 

While doing face to face battle with the enemy, should a brave warrior speak a lie to distract the enemy?

I agree in life , sometimes a person has to lie for the larger good to happen but lying during a face to face battle duel?????

[GurjantGnostic]

8 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

While doing face to face battle with the enemy, should a brave warrior speak a lie to distract the enemy?

I agree in life , sometimes a person has to lie for the larger good to happen but lying during a face to face battle duel?????

I think we should speak Truth so consistently that in the rarest of cases, like if asked "where are you hiding the jews?", and you make an exception in that instance, that it will have to be accepted as truth.