Sad news about Deep Sidhu!

[Kaurr]

smh, so a person can die, a car can get destroyed, but yes a bottle of alcohol can still be in one piece

[proactive]

1 hour ago, Kaurr said:

smh, so a person can die, a car can get destroyed, but yes a bottle of alcohol can still be in one piece

He will be demonised in death the same as he was demonised in life by the Indian media. Not equating Deep Sidhu to Santji but after Operation Bluestar the Indian media claimed that drugs were found in Akal Takht, that women were being held as sex slaves there and that Santji was murdered by the Babbar Khalsa during the army attack. None of these were true. Anything that comes out of Indian media should never be trusted by us. That simple rule will ensure that we do not fall victim to their black propaganda. 

[InderjitS]

15 hours ago, SikhKosh said:

People who are judging him based on his marital status or appearence need to have some shame. First get off your computers and do something for the panth before you point fingers at people who did a lot more for the panth without having the appearence of a practising Singh unlike you guys whose only seva is doing ninda from your couches in the west.

People like Deep Sidhu have always existed in our panth and got the respect they deserved. Mind you, he was no patit; he was a sahajdhari. A patit is someone who has taken pahul / amrit and break rehat, he does not fall into that category. There have been several sahajdharis or 'panth dardis' born into Sikh families who have done as much seva if not more than the amritdharis (sahajdharis: Bhai Moti Ram, Bhai Kanhaiya, ... Bhai Gurbaksh 'Das' was the caretaker of 'Kesgarh' Sahib in the early 1700s, Gopal Das was appointed as a granthi by Bhai Mani Singh at Harmandar Sahib... and modern day Sikhs who have done major seva while being moneh include Bhai Sukha Jinda, Bhai Deepa Heranwala and countless others who were at the forefront protesting against beadbi just recently). Stop marginalizing the moneh or sahajdharis, this has been one of our biggest drawbacks post the Singh Sabha movement.

Getting on topic I would like to point out Deeps nimrata (humility) in one of his posts I read just a few weeks back. He admits and says he knows he lacks jeevan (rahit wise) and does not even pretend to be a contender to be some 'panthic spokesperson or leader', he is simply a kookar (dog) at the Gurus darbar... Read it and have some shame before throwing mud at a panthic person who just passed away.
 

 

 

 

 

Vilkul teek kehiya, his passing is a great loss to the Panth and Punjab.

In a similar vein, his detractors should listen to Paramjit Singh Akali from 5.24 and the Singh afterwards about Deeps intentions.

 

[californiasardar1]

15 hours ago, proactive said:

No offence dude but are you jealous or something? What he does in his private life is his business. How do you know that he is not in a committed relationship and they had both agreed to marry at some point in the future? As a Keshdhari myself, I don't judge any Sikh who is a mona, you don't know what his life has been and why he did not keep his Kesh. Deep Sidhu had started to wear a turban so I think at some stage he would have kept his hair, but then if he did people like you would be saying he is only doing it to get some influence in the Panth. No one can win with people like you. 

 

I'm sorry if believing in Sikhi provokes such a reaction from you. But being in a "committed relationship" with plans to marry in the future is not part of a Gurmat lifestyle. Neither is cutting your hair. Who cares if he wore a turban occasionally during the farmers' protests? It was just a prop that he wore whenever he felt like it. He still obviously made it a priority every day to make sure his beard and mustache were perfectly trimmed to d-bag specifications.

The guy effectively has "I don't believe in Sikhi" tattooed on his forehead, but Sikhs are so insecure that they don't want to take his word for it.

[InderjitS]

8 hours ago, proactive said:

He will be demonised in death the same as he was demonised in life by the Indian media. Not equating Deep Sidhu to Santji but after Operation Bluestar the Indian media claimed that drugs were found in Akal Takht, that women were being held as sex slaves there and that Santji was murdered by the Babbar Khalsa during the army attack. None of these were true. Anything that comes out of Indian media should never be trusted by us. That simple rule will ensure that we do not fall victim to their black propaganda. 

No one is comparable to a mahapursh unless they themselves have reached chautha pad. We can however deduce Deep had more than a few parallels in soch. He was jazbati, reporters were unable to challenge him in debate, he had almost perfect answers lined up at every turn, was passionate about saving Punjab and freeing Sikhs from gulami. Unfortunately Sikhs recognise qualities after a prominent Panthic figure dies and in other cases still manage to find faults.

[californiasardar1]

19 hours ago, TigerForce1 said:

What is wrong with you?  Do you judge people because of their relationship or marital status or do you form opinions on their courage to speak what is unspeakable in Puniab.  He is the champion of the cause and he may have been Patit in his appearance, but he was more Panthic than any of the Blue Turbaned Jathedars with the flowing beards.  He spoke up for the rights of the Sikh Quom and the people of Punjab.  He was a diamond, a breath of fresh air who was natural born leader. 

 

You people are so quick to celebrate someone as some sort of panthic hero because he said a few nice things about Bhindranwale. Is that how low your bar is? Actions speak louder than words, and if he actually cared about Sikhi he wouldn't be living a lifestyle that is so clearly at odds with a Gurmat lifestyle.

Aside from his personal conduct, it is sad that Sikhs are so quick to make a hero out of someone whose political motivations and intentions seemed questionable at best.

[TigerForce1]

11 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

It's scary though dude. It looks like there ain't a shred of integrity in the politics out there. 

Even if someone decent came up, it just looks like they'll be knocked off or compromised in no time. 

I agree!  Remember these celebrities are just tools that are implemented to heard the sheep in directions.  The shepherds are powerful and can make and destroy you in a blink of an eye.  Dangle a carrot and most people will compromise themselves.  Those who refuse are threatened, whether by tax inquiries, visa restrictions or industry boycott.  To stand up you have to be really strong willed and have strong belief in the All mighty.  
 

Deep Sidhu walked away from the industry and challenged India’s democracy.  He went further and challenged the World Powers, with his open criticism of the ‘New World Order’.  When you become vocal on these issues and start ruffling those feather's, then you are an open target.   

The sad truth is you have operate within the system to initiate change, to go further I'd say to even be allowed to exist.

[TigerForce1]

2 minutes ago, californiasardar1 said:

 

You people are so quick to celebrate someone as some sort of panthic hero because he said a few nice things about Bhindranwale. Is that how low your bar is? Actions speak louder than words, and if he actually cared about Sikhi he wouldn't be living a lifestyle that is so clearly at odds with a Gurmat lifestyle.

Aside from his personal conduct, it is sad that Sikhs are so quick to make a hero out of someone whose political motivations and intentions seemed questionable at best.

If he didn’t care about Sikhi, he’d be alive today!  The fact that he is no longer with us is speaks for itself regarding his ‘actions’.  Your too fixated on appearance and too immature to look beyond that.  

[InderjitS]

10 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Look people like Badal are ones with no conscience and loyalty. They see all of these political plays as games for them to win. Plus like all sociopaths they have an extremely large appetite for material wealth. 

Things were very confusing back then. Even I don't know what to make of it all this time after. I judge older Badal by his subsequent actions and how he steered Panjab. If people think it is a mess today, the process surely started under his tenure.  

We have to grasp these people's psychology i.e. the end goal justifies any actions, any betrayal, any lying as long as you are at the 'top' at the end of it.    Just like KPS Gill, though he obviously had a sick, violent, sadistic streak in him too - which trickled down to those he was in charge of. 

Badal family has singlehandedly caused more damage in Punjab and to Sikh interests than any other person in history. Over 4 decades his successes alongside his wider cricle can be counted as pumping youth with drugs, destroying Sikh heritage at an alarming rate, be it buildings, artefacts, sites of special interest, hand in 84 attack and the subsequent genocide and extrajudicial killings, making a mockery of the SGPC and Akal Takhat Jathedari, beadbi of Maharaj, selling 368 saroops, selling historic gurdwara lands, list is endless. Afsos dhi gal hai, Punjabis voted him in repeatedly!?

 

 

 

 

[californiasardar1]

I find it really sad and puzzling that on a Sikh forum (where people are constantly complaining about "liberal Sikhs" trying to water down Sikhi and reshape it to fit their lifestyle/views/agenda), it is controversial for me to point out that someone living an anti-Gurmat lifestyle should not be held up as a panthic leader.

It is sad that he died, and it's nice that he at least said some positive things during his time on earth. But perhaps we can leave it at that instead of engaging in absurd hyperbole.