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Shri Guru Arjan Dev the 5th Guru of Sikhism first incorporated Shri Guru Ravidass’ Bani in to the Adi Granth. If Guru Ravidass Bani were a contradiction to Sikhism no way would Guru Arjan Dev Ji have incorporated the Bani in to the Adi Granth? The Shri Guru Granth Sahib is a central part of worship to any Ravidassia Sikh Temple. The Sikh Gurus are revered and respected, Vaishaki, Diwali are celebrated.

Like Guru Nanak Dev Ji, Guru Ravidass rejected the Hindu Caste System and both believed in One Omnipresent God. What does Hinduism believe in? So if Guru Ravidass rejected the Hindu caste system and believes in One Spiritual God what religion is he part of?

To those Ravidassia who believe Guru Ravidass is an Hindu by all means carry on with this misconception but ask yourselves these questions what religion made you Untouchable in the first place then gave the higher caste the exclusive rights in religious and man made laws to abuse the lower castes, physically, mentally, economically, spiritually etc. Sikhism has given low caste untouchables a gateway to God and an equal standing with fellow man. Sikhism drew its strength from the low caste look at the Panj Pyare, famous Sikh Regiments as the Sikh Light Infantry drawn up from the Ramdasia and Mazhabi caste, the regiments’ origins can be traced right back to the days of Guru Gobind Singh Khalsa Army, then there are Sikhs like Giani Ditt Singh. There are far too many examples of low caste Sikhs to mention.

For those Ravidassia who think they neither Hindu or Sikh but a separate entity called Ravidassia ask yourself the following question; can Shri Guru Ravidass’ Bani be taken out of the Shri Guru Granth S

ahib and have enough spiritual content to cover everything from birth, marriage, children, death, the afterlife, etc. the answer is quite clearly no. Sikhism took ten Living Gurus plus other Bhagats to give us a complete picture of mankind and its relationship with God. If you look at the Christian Bible it has been written over hundred centuries and have many different authors like Jesus’ Gospels written by Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. How many Christians state they are followers of Saint Paul but not Christians.

The reason the Ravidassia have etched out separate spiritual path is more political than spiritual. Unfortunately for the low caste Untouchables even in Sikhism there were certain elements within the Brotherhood who think it is entirely acceptable to carry on treating the people in the way Hindus treated them. This is a problem with individuals and organisations within Sikhism and not the fault of the Sikh Gurus or the Shri Guru Granth Sahib. The Ravidassia Community rather like the Sikh Ramgharia have therefore set up their own Gudwaras. This has given them the freedom away from prejudice, uplifted them spriritually and mentallly and put them on the map politically.

Why do the Ravidassia have Hindu names and not adopt the outward symbols of the 5Ks. Quite simply when the low caste became Sikhs the corrupt elements of Sikhs hierarchy wanted a clear distinction between the high caste and low caste Sikhs. The low castes Sikhs were not encouraged to have Sikh names and adopt the 5Ks. You see class distinction throughout the world; in European Society it was once illegal to wear the same style of clothes as the upper classes.

Dr. Ambedkar the famous Untouchable wanted to become a Sikh but he felt Sikhism had become corrupted with elements of Hinduism and therefore did not take convert to Sikhi. Now the Ravidassia Community have had the benefits of education, economic wealth and realised their contribution to Sikhism throughout history they are slowly drifting back to the Orthodoxy of S

ikhism.

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the thread starter is a perfect example of an anti panthic and anti gurmat post.

Everyone knows who the gurus are. Anyone who distorts the history this way or worships others is a cultist with no grip on reality.

Why worship a bhagat of the guru when you can worship the guru himself? I do not understand.

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the thread starter is a perfect example of an anti panthic and anti gurmat post.

Not really veer ji

Fair enoguh it's wrong calling BHagat Ravidas ji Guru, BUT

to say someone who has pure love from BHagat ji's bani is a cultist is past the limit :@ :T:

Now the Ravidassia Community have had the benefits of education, economic wealth and realised their contribution to Sikhism throughout history they are slowly drifting back to the Orthodoxy of Sikhism.

Hence they might shortly begin keeping the 5 kakkar.

THey never claimed to be SINGHS - they claim to come from a SIKH ORIGIN - are are graduatly learning about their roots smile.gif

I have no at all connection with Ravidasis whatsoever - so no bias involved tongue.gif

But we need to get massive parchar done !!!!

Mohe na Visaro meh jan tera

Bhull chukk maaaf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

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when you bow to the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, do you not bow to the bani of those Bhagats??

"Har harjan doi eik hai"

The bani of thsoe Bhagats/Gurus has been given equal importence, equal enough to be placed next to the bani of the 6 Gurus. Next time you Matha Take keep that in mind. Gurbani is equal whether it is from one of the 10 Gurus or from other Saint/Guru/Bhagats. Hence it is ONE Guru Granth Sahib, there are not different versions, it is ONE compilation.

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Sat Sri Akal:

Gurbani is also a treasure of Rehat. In it reside many verses that tell a Sikh that to become a Sikh of the Guru, you trade your head for that privlige. So it is not coincidence that Guru Gobind Singh Ji asked the Panj Pyare for their heads. In that assembly were all those who were devotees of the Guru. This is the price of being a Sikh.

How can those who have not payed this price be Sikhs of the Guru?

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also, only SOME of the bhagats bani was put in guru sahib. The VAST majority of their writings was not. So again, how can they be gurus? they are not our gurus. Only the bani contained within guru granth sahib is our guru and those who carried this light before, ie 10 gurus. to call another sache patsha or guru is just as bad as what naamdharis/radhaswamis and other cultists do.

I stand by what I said before. but yes, it is great they are coming towards sikhi, and I am happy about that, but they need to recognize that what they do is anti gurmat.

we have a gurudwara here that is ravidasia. They have a gigantic painting of bhagat ravidas in the main hall. People matha tek to it. It says guru ravidas all over the place. just in these acts, there is so much beadbi done to guru sahib.

one good point is that they are very well organized.

admin not: this is a note to everyone, not anyone in particular

the number of satgurus that will be here is mentioned in bhai gurdas jes vaars, and it states 10 in human avtaar

but everyone should remeber to respect bhagat ravidaas je in this discussion, for they were completly one with god, and anyone who does nindya of a bhagat like them, they will suffer untold pains

so be careful what you say in advance

think before writing, please

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Mkhalsa,

I happen too agree that you should not 'matha tek' to a painting of any Bhagat or Guru this is idolatry. We 'methka tek' to the Shri Guru Granth Sahib as it is our 11th and living Guru containing the Word of God. No Gurdwara should have ANY pictures, drawings, paintings or even National Flags. We are Sikhs first and foremost, we worship and pray to Waheguru only, anything less then that is plain wrong.

By debating, by putting forward arguments in the spririt of Sikhi you will be shocked and suprised there is much more common ground between the various Sikh branches than differences. The point of this topic was to correct common misconceptions of the Ravidassia and to point out what they are and not doing correctly in accordance oo the tenets of Sikhism (with a background of the history which explains why they do things in certain ways). No offence was attended to anyone.

Sadly many Gurdwaras do get the basics wrong, this can be due to misinterpration of scripture & Hukamnama, ignorance or plain greed such as when the SGGS are 'hired' out for weddings, parties outside the confines of a Gurdwara. It is up to us to to be educated in the ways of Sikhi and its history to point what is wrong but always in the correct spirit.

Jeevan

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