Ukraine-Russia crisis

[MisterrSingh]

9 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

They are God's (sorry G-d 's) chosen people after all.

"God."

According to their own scriptures, their "God" accompanied them during their exodus from Egypt in a metal object that blew smoke in its wake, and shone a light during the darkness of night-time. I think they're the chosen people of something, but it isn't God, lmao.

[BhForce]

On 2/27/2022 at 4:50 AM, MisterrSingh said:

The true power is with the international bankers. Any Sikh nation would have to sign its future over to international bankers economically AND ideologically before even a brick in the foundation could be laid.

According to Dr. Udhoke, Maharaja Ranjit Singh was not indebted to the international bankers. Rather, his (our) empire had untold riches.

That's why (he claims) the international bankers conspired to kill him:

Part of the plot was his European doctor, mixing stuff into his food.

[MisterrSingh]

4 minutes ago, BhForce said:

According to Dr. Udhoke, Maharaja Ranjit Singh was not indebted to the international bankers. Rather, his (our) empire had untold riches.

Not ours at all. Like all empires, if it would've survived, the only winners would've been the Sikh elites at the very top. We little people are trained to bask in the reflected glory of something that ultimately has no compunction in turning on its grass-root constituents, i.e. us.

[BhForce]

On 2/27/2022 at 12:40 PM, Kau89r8 said:

i thought the same too, let Britain reap what they sow what they did to Panjab let the muslims come in refugees, until you realize Sikhs are in the losing end..either we have to side with Islamist, jihadists apologists or far-right whites/rss priti patel types.. we get the best of both worlds..how lucky are we lool

The thing to do is to go to the British and ask what they're prepared to give in return for our help. (Let them know we're talking to the other side as well.)

Like what? Full rights for Sikhs for their kakkars. Etc.

Or maybe a formal (de jure) declaration of return of the Sikh Empire to the Sikhs, or to a designated authority of the Sikhs.

[BhForce]

1 minute ago, MisterrSingh said:

Not ours at all. Like all empires, if it would've survived, the only winners would've been the Sikh elites at the very top. We little people are trained to bask in the reflected glory of something that ultimately has no compunction in turning on its grass-root constituents, i.e. us.

Fair point. And there was plenty of Sikh sardars pushing their advantage.

But, also, the Sikh empire was different from others in the encouragement of widespread literacy (including female literacy). The Maharaja did not destroy vanquished enemies. And if nothing else, the average Sikh would have been much better off in a Sikh empire than, say, Pakistan today.

At least he could practice his religion without worrying about Muslims stealing their daughters (Nankana Sahib granthi's daughter incident).

[MisterrSingh]

13 minutes ago, BhForce said:

But, also, the Sikh empire was different from others in the encouragement of widespread literacy (including female literacy). The Maharaja did not destroy vanquished enemies.

Probably key contributors to why it all went tit5 up. Classic Sikh short-term virtue-signalling and self-congratulation that lays the foundations for future destruction.

[BhForce]

3 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Probably key contributors to why it all went tit5 up. Classic Sikh short-term virtue-signalling and self-congratulation that lays the foundations for future destruction.

1. Do oppose the ability of females to read? Or of the useless "advanced degrees" they are getting now?

2. The enemies I was referring to was other Sikh sardars. Allowign them to live out their days with a jagir instead of killing them.

[BhForce]

On 2/27/2022 at 4:52 PM, 5aaban said:

A former IPS officer and a former MP, Mann said that the Sikhs were “peeved with Russia” for 1984 Operation Bluestar “at the call of Indira Gandhi and other like minded parties, including Soviet Union and British forces in attacking the stateless Sikhs” and reducing “the golden temple complex to dust”

OK, at the very least SS Mann is giving a somewhat rational basis for this. This would be akin  to the Sikhs getting payback in 1857 against the Poorbiyas who devastated Punjab during the Anglo-Sikh wars.

So this is not about "fight for Ukraine because they're the poor invaded country" and Sikhs have to fight for everybody without getting anything in return.

[BhForce]

On 2/28/2022 at 5:07 AM, dallysingh101 said:

He's lost his mind. Like all those laurels from ww1 and ww2 mean shyte. Brits didn't bother to pay the ww2 Sikh sepoys pensions in the end. He's talking like a proper brainless jut now. That loyal lapdog talk.  

All of us are subject to fuzzy thinking at times. That's why we all need to be able to challenge our leaders ("Mukh sevadars").

[BhForce]

On 2/28/2022 at 5:31 AM, dallysingh101 said:

10,000 Muslim soldiers from Chechnya are on their way to Kiev to help Russia. Not something people would have guessed.

Obviously, the only reason they are fighting for Putin is having an arrangement to get something for themselves in return. Which is what Sikhs need to learn. Not fighting for "accolades".