punishment for sins in Sikhi

[GurjantGnostic]

1 minute ago, Premi5 said:

We as humans are not the purest form of God (or nowhere near); what goes around comes around and without punishments, one often does not learn lessons ?

We are definitely living a lesson rich existence lol. Born so stup...with so much opportunity. 

[scali]

We are what we believe we are. It’s free will. Choices are infinite. Since all possibilities exist in the one. We also create what we repeatedly believe. Upon death one sees jamdoots, yamraj etc if your faith makes you believe and if your faith don’t have those you don’t see them. I have gone through a review of thousands on near death experiences cases and realized that the your belief creates your reality so why not believe in the ultimate reality that we are all one and bypass the drama.

[dallysingh101]

2 minutes ago, scali said:

We are what we believe we are. It’s free will. Choices are infinite. Since all possibilities exist in the one. We also create what we repeatedly believe. Upon death one sees jamdoots, yamraj etc if your faith makes you believe and if your faith don’t have those you don’t see them. I have gone through a review of thousands on near death experiences cases and realized that the your belief creates your reality so why not believe in the ultimate reality that we are all one and bypass the drama.

You know we had a rudimentary 'punishment' tankhahiya system from dasmesh pita's time don't you? Not all punishment is to be vindictive, some of it is to set norms in a society. 

[GurjantGnostic]

8 minutes ago, scali said:

We are what we believe we are. It’s free will. Choices are infinite. Since all possibilities exist in the one. We also create what we repeatedly believe. Upon death one sees jamdoots, yamraj etc if your faith makes you believe and if your faith don’t have those you don’t see them. I have gone through a review of thousands on near death experiences cases and realized that the your belief creates your reality so why not believe in the ultimate reality that we are all one and bypass the drama.

I'd say we all see our equivalent of them. The system is not based on your belief alone. 

[GurjantGnostic]

Believe me. As someone who does the martial art of Harmony, 1 and oneness are two different things and neither work like you think. 

[scali]

The central theme for human existence revolves around Ego. What’s in it for me and to get that by any means necessary by hook or crook is the limit of existence for most. That’s why the concept of onesess is foreign and impossible to believe. But that doesn’t change the ultimate truth of Unity that all (separation illusion) leads to the oneness. 

[Suchi]

22 minutes ago, scali said:

The central theme for human existence revolves around Ego. What’s in it for me and to get that by any means necessary by hook or crook is the limit of existence for most. That’s why the concept of onesess is foreign and impossible to believe. But that doesn’t change the ultimate truth of Unity that all (separation illusion) leads to the oneness. 

Agreed. But then how do you deal with those on the path of darkness and destruction in this world. 

You seem to suggest that there should be no reprimand for any transgression of natural law. 

[dallysingh101]

2 hours ago, scali said:

The central theme for human existence revolves around Ego. What’s in it for me and to get that by any means necessary by hook or crook is the limit of existence for most. That’s why the concept of onesess is foreign and impossible to believe. But that doesn’t change the ultimate truth of Unity that all (separation illusion) leads to the oneness. 

So if someone was about to abuse your, say daughter, would you really come out with this 'oneness' stuff because how can any crime be committed by something on itself (according to the logic you seem to espousing? 

Can you see the flaws in your reasoning?  

[scali]

Loving all doesn’t exclude oneself  and what’s right. If an act of unevolved person causing hurt to another. Then I would do whats appropriate to defend. Ones free will doesn’t give right to revoke other persons free will. Universal laws work on consequences not punishment. Like smoking cause Lung cancer.

[Not2Cool2Argue]

22 hours ago, justasking said:

For a Sikh what sort of punishment are we supposed to let out on those who sin like those who kill, cheat on spouse, adultery, theaf . rapist. drunkyard,  what would be there punishment according to Sikhi

As a Sikh, u have no authority to punish anyone. Unless ur part of the panj pyare and someone comes to you to confess or get help.

There have been cases esp in that extremist haven UK, where individual Sikhs have taken the law into their own hands and thought they had the authority to punish other Sikhs. Some even got together 5 of there own gang and deemed themselves panj pyare and beat up a person for a transgression. 

Stop this nonsense. Stop trying to bring back puratan sikhi and stop trying to be arbitrators. 

Just go be pesh at an amrit sinchaar and get tankhaah of 21 japji sahib or something. If it's too tame of a punishment, do simran 24 hours if u have to. There's no call to give physical punishments.