Sikh Farmers vs Muslim Gujjar clash in Majitha, Amritsar

[Kau89r8]

17 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:

The Hindus really messed up big time in 1947. That was their time to remove all Muslims from India (like we did in Punjab) and claim their Ram temple in Ayodhya but they and their leaders bottled it big time. It is because of their failings that muslims from UP and Bihar have come to Punjab.

They were more upper class hindus+muslims gandhi family have muslim roots and appeal to muslim population ...they both deep hate Sikhs

If that happened then i guess Sikhs would have been completely hindufication by India if muslims completely left India..including Kashmir 

idc im not sorry let hindusvsmuslims fight ..what India has done to us f# them..let muslims take over lol and pipe dream of hindu rastra 

[proudkaur21]

 

19 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:

The Hindus really messed up big time in 1947. That was their time to remove all Muslims from India (like we did in Punjab) and claim their Ram temple in Ayodhya but they and their leaders bottled it big time. It is because of their failings that muslims from UP and Bihar have come to Punjab.

Nope infact i think the best thing that happened was Muslims staying in India because hindus would have backstabbed us anyways whether muslims stayed or not but now with 230+ million muslims and the religious rift increasing day by day in India there can be a perfect opportunity for sikhs to gain something from all this when chaos breaks out if only apne use their brain. Look if Muslims weren't there in India i think these Hindus would have done much worse stuff to us. Right now there are sikhs and muslims in the way of making their hindu rasthra. And i dont think they will succeed in doing so without some civil unrest breaking out. Muslims are being hated right now like sikhs were around 1984.

[ChardikalaUK]

2 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

 

Nope infact i think the best thing that happened was Muslims staying in India because hindus would have backstabbed us anyways whether muslims stayed or not but now with 230+ million muslims and the religious rift increasing day by day in India there can be a perfect opportunity for sikhs to gain something from all this when chaos breaks out if only apne use their brain. Look if Muslims weren't there in India i think these Hindus would have done much worse stuff to us. Right now there are sikhs and muslims in the way of making their hindu rasthra. And i dont think they will succeed in doing so without some civil unrest breaking out. Muslims are being hated right now like sikhs were around 1984.

If its such a good idea having the muslims in India why did we eliminate them from Punjab? They are now coming to Punjab in large numbers, mosques are opening everywhere. Open your eyes.

[proudkaur21]

38 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:

If its such a good idea having the muslims in India why did we eliminate them from Punjab? They are now coming to Punjab in large numbers, mosques are opening everywhere. Open your eyes.

i Know I know. But see my viewpoint. Only if chaos ensues in India can a change happen. And if only Sikhs remained in India and no muslims then this potential civil war that a large muslim population being in India can result in wont have ever happened. No one wishes for death and destruction but if you look at the things happening in India there is a large possibility of civil unrest sometimes in the future. With only us in India standing in their way of Hindu Rasthra it would have been way more difficult times for us.  Now they see Muslims as an even bigger threat than us to their dreams. And let us not forget that apne also helped settling them in Punjab by building mosques and what not. We arent that innocent. Our own have proactively made wrong decisions in the past leading us to here.

[proudkaur21]

2 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

They were more upper class hindus+muslims gandhi family have muslim roots and appeal to muslim population ...they both deep hate Sikhs

If that happened then i guess Sikhs would have been completely hindufication by India if muslims completely left India..including Kashmir 

idc im not sorry let hindusvsmuslims fight ..what India has done to us f# them..let muslims take over lol and pipe dream of hindu rastra 

Lol that's what i'm saying that the large muslim pop will present a huge problem in their dreams of hindu rashtra.  The tides can change in the future. Lets hope for some good for us.

[californiasardar1]

On 3/28/2022 at 5:51 AM, BhForce said:

I keep trying to get the mona-haters (like @californiasardar1) to give monas a little leeway. But also, it's incumbent on monas to not hate on rehitdhari Sikhs.

If you can't keep rehit right now, whatever, Guru Sahib kirpa karnge. But don't denounce those who do.

 

Monay are more disrespectful towards Singhs than any group of people on the planet ... with the exception of monis.

[proactive]

32 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

 

Nope infact i think the best thing that happened was Muslims staying in India because hindus would have backstabbed us anyways whether muslims stayed or not but now with 230+ million muslims and the religious rift increasing day by day in India there can be a perfect opportunity for sikhs to gain something from all this when chaos breaks out if only apne use their brain. Look if Muslims weren't there in India i think these Hindus would have done much worse stuff to us. Right now there are sikhs and muslims in the way of making their hindu rasthra. And i dont think they will succeed in doing so without some civil unrest breaking out. Muslims are being hated right now like sikhs were around 1984.

I don't agree. Let's just say that all the Muslims from northern India had been evicted then the results would have been-;

1. The amount of Muslim owned land left in India would have been greater than the land left behind by Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan. Muslim land in UP and Rajasthan could have been given to Sikhs and Hindus and there would have been no need for Sikhs and Hindus to be allotted less land that the amount they left behind in Pakistan. So, there would have been no crisis in agriculture with landholdings being divided and becoming uneconomic or at least this would have been delayed by a few decades as the land with each farming family would have been more than what it was in reality. 

2. Kashmir could have been cleared of Muslims just as Jammu was. The Sikhs and Hindus of the areas around Rawalpindi/Kahuta/Murree who have many cultural similarities with Kashmiri Pandits and Sikhs could have been settled in the Kashmir valley to replace the Muslims kicked out of there. 

3. The extra 25-30 Million Muslims which Pakistan would have had to resettle and rehabilitate in 1947 would have caused them to have an economic crisis which would have caused their economy to stagnate and they would not have reached the economic level that they have now and would have been far behind India. Also because of their having such a large population from the start they would have had to out of necessity institute some kind of population control measures otherwise the Pakistan of today instead of having a population of 220 million would have a population of 375 million which the country can never support. 

4. The power we had in united Punjab and in British India was due to our having been the largest landholders in Punjab. This would have been transferred to an India devoid of most Muslims. Having such landholdings would have ensured that we kept our population increasing at a good level as well. Also our diaspora and migration would have been much lower as there would have been no need for Sikhs to migrate abroad if their landholdings were sufficient to feed many generations of their families. The only migration would perhaps have been more from urban or professional Sikhs. 

 

[proudkaur21]

16 minutes ago, proactive said:

I don't agree. Let's just say that all the Muslims from northern India had been evicted then the results would have been-;

1. The amount of Muslim owned land left in India would have been greater than the land left behind by Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan. Muslim land in UP and Rajasthan could have been given to Sikhs and Hindus and there would have been no need for Sikhs and Hindus to be allotted less land that the amount they left behind in Pakistan. So, there would have been no crisis in agriculture with landholdings being divided and becoming uneconomic or at least this would have been delayed by a few decades as the land with each farming family would have been more than what it was in reality. 

2. Kashmir could have been cleared of Muslims just as Jammu was. The Sikhs and Hindus of the areas around Rawalpindi/Kahuta/Murree who have many cultural similarities with Kashmiri Pandits and Sikhs could have been settled in the Kashmir valley to replace the Muslims kicked out of there. 

3. The extra 25-30 Million Muslims which Pakistan would have had to resettle and rehabilitate in 1947 would have caused them to have an economic crisis which would have caused their economy to stagnate and they would not have reached the economic level that they have now and would have been far behind India. Also because of their having such a large population from the start they would have had to out of necessity institute some kind of population control measures otherwise the Pakistan of today instead of having a population of 220 million would have a population of 375 million which the country can never support. 

4. The power we had in united Punjab and in British India was due to our having been the largest landholders in Punjab. This would have been transferred to an India devoid of most Muslims. Having such landholdings would have ensured that we kept our population increasing at a good level as well. Also our diaspora and migration would have been much lower as there would have been no need for Sikhs to migrate abroad if their landholdings were sufficient to feed many generations of their families. The only migration would perhaps have been more from urban or professional Sikhs. 

 

I dont see any unity with hindus. They took our land away in Gujarat why do you  think they couldnt have done the same in case the above scenario happened? Water would still be diverted. Hindi would still be imposed. History would still be distorted. I think you are under estimating what would have happened in this scenario. We would be prime target of Hindus. If they could easily take our land and kick us out of gujurat without any uproar they would do many worse things given we are the prime target. I personally dont believe the above scenario would be better. The things that led to 1984 was because they want to finish us off not some excuses that congress incited it or so and so did it. They use the terrorist bhindranwala excuse to hide their hatred for sikhs. They want to finish us off. These other excuses are just a cover up.

[Kau89r8]

@proactive

i disagree had that scenario happened, then the world would not see the true nature of hindunazis....if anything whats happening with muslims vs hindus in India has helped shun light on what Sikhs have been saying..that being said never forget the alliance with muslims and hindus during 84 ... @proudkaur21 exactly what you said ...never no unity

 

[Kau89r8]

5 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

If its such a good idea having the muslims in India why did we eliminate them from Punjab? They are now coming to Punjab in large numbers, mosques are opening everywhere. Open your eyes.

islamists just hate to your face...they are not cunning/smart like hindus who are backstabbers and fake 'dhramic brotherhood to you face' and stab you in the back ...islamists say it to your face 'kill the kaffirs'...you can deal with them face to face...hindus are snakes and cunning