Some home truths for Ravi Singh Khalsa Aid

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2 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:

Africa can comfortably accommodate 4 billion people imho. As that would be a population density of around 125 people per square km with plentiful resources. In contrast the population density for Punjab is in excess 600 per sq/km today in 2022 which is almost double the UK's population density (despite the UK having one of the highest European population densities).

The bigger issue is that two big Slavemaster religions could increase their flock by an *extra BILLION* or so *each* in Africa if the Truth of Sikhi is not exposed to more black Africans than the limited few thousand indigenous black African Sikhs that have come into Sikhi this millenium in Kenya (for which I would give United Sikhs some credit).

 

I think there is no danger of either Christianity or Islam taking an extra 1 billion people into their religions. You are discounting the progress of Atheism which is now growing across the world. In my view if the last millennium was the struggle between the Abrahamic religions against the Dharmic and pagan religions, this millennium the struggle will be between Atheism and religion in general. Atheism is affecting the Abrahamic religion more and Dharmic religions less so. Atheism is growing in the Middle East which will be a challenge to Islam just as Atheism has pretty much overtaken Christianity in the west. The interesting fact is the country, Tunisia which in the last decade sent the most foreign fighters to ISIS is also the one which has has the most people leaving religion. The other interesting fact is that these people are having to live double lives because in times like Ramadan these is not only religious but also government pressure to conform and take part in the fasting. 

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4 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:

Concrete undeniable logic in your argument that nobody can disagree with particulary over the next 10 years.

Particularly in the context of the demographic projections which mean that east Punjab is on track for a Sikh minority by the 2031 census unless we:

*do parchaar to Bihari's from the birthplace of Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj + Shaheed Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji

*increase the TFR towards 5 children among Sikh families via earlier age of marriage in early 20's for men

*proactively look after the welfare of poorer sections of the Sikh Panth

*ensure only one United Gurdwara per pind (and locality in the West)

*eradicate use of caste based labels and matrimonial apartheid 

*eradicate the scourge of drugs and alcohol in Punjab

*welcome sehajdhari brothers and sisters as equal stakeholders in the Sikh Panth that can contribute and strongly care about the Panth be they people like Deep Sidhu or non-Punjabi's who know Sikhi is true as an ideology but are perhaps not quite ready to adopt Amritdhari discipline in their own lives just yet

*eradicate abortion and female infantcide as a silent Genocide among those from a Sikh background in Punjab

*ensure better health and rehabilitations in Punjab and combat carcinogens and increasing organic farming

The plan of action you have outlined above has been taking place but not to the extent that it should but at least there is a start. I remember when the 2011 census results came out showing the Sikh percentage in Punjab going down since 2011, the Akal Takht Jathedar stated that Sikhs should be having at least 4 children, he was quickly shouted down not only by our liberal drones but even by Panthic organisations who one would assume should have known better. There was even a op-ed in the Tribune newspaper the writer of which wrote that Sikhs should ne proud that their population was going because they were helping the country deal with overpopulation! The fact is that now you would never get such idiocy being displayed by our people. 

Why Sikhs ought to be happy, not worried : The Tribune India

 

 

[dallysingh101]

5 hours ago, PuzzledToo said:

And why is that? Could it be that the Punjabi community faced multiple genocides in the past century? Could it be that the powers that be are still attacking Punjabis in every manner they can? Just thinking out aloud. 

 

That's a part but let's not be oblivious to how the actual 'parchaar' of Sikhi has largely been a conservative affair of 'preaching to the converted'. 

Also, I notice that certain other faiths (abrahamics like xtian and islam) have much more advanced provisions for converts and are able to quickly and almost seamlessly integrate them into their communities - especially through marriage - meanwhile amongst our lot many apneean mothers struggle to even integrate their own daughter in laws in the family. 

[MisterrSingh]

4 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Or allies in Dharam Yudh. 

Cutting off heads for Allah and Jehovah to cutting off heads for Waheguru?

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A good video about the village in Telangana which became Sikh in the last decade. Papalpreet Singh is a Sikh activist from Punjab who has travelled over a 1000 miles to make this video about this village after he read about it first a few months ago.  The video gives more information about the villagers as well as the possibility of further parchar in the villages around this village. 

 

[Kau89r8]

Here are my thoughts on KA...

Prior to farmers protest i had same views as why not spend on Panjab helping our own nobody cares about us what does this PR bring us etc...but the farmers protest and India/Hindus really changed alot of my views.

You cant deny the seva they did at the Morcha. They were setting up tents, massages etc and look at how the indian media were calling them out. They stood out whilst getting FIRs in India they being nominated UN ..this brought good light since those in the West could see how the indian media works.

Also when they were helping khrakus families in Panjab they were easily targeted in India by gov. 

PR - I agree with the langar or being known for 'free food community' has its pros/cons - now think about this....there is huge with multi-millionaie biggest budgets charities for Hinduvatas in West in fact they'd been now copying the seva KA been doing in Ukraine etc..it beings us good PR as when we are seen in media its usually bad stuff ...it distinct us from Hindus/Muslims Islamic aid BAAPS etc... we all can agree how much we hate being called sector of Hindus ...Does the pr go too far yes but its brought Sikhs in good light and helped that support we need in the West. 

Alot of hindus/rss are jealous at KA pr in West and how much its grown

Funding - Ravi mentioned it the interview that donations don't just come from Sikhs...He said that during the flood in UK years ago KA was there and helped out, later there was one resident that donated £10k a gori on her will to go to KA. During covid-19 in India, JK Rowling donated £500k - biggest donation ever to KA. Its also registered charity so its been all accounted for and red flags would be easily called out under UK laws. Ravi also said his wife has good job in NHS he takes salary 30k i think but only last few years before he was doing go to country to country on his own holding buckets and said missed out on his kids childhood.

Ravi - Is he a bad person no. His intentions are in good place for his love for the kaum yes no doubt . I don't agree with his view by cant dispute the fact he start 1999 before SM and Media he does have passion for humanity.If he started KA than he has the right to how he wants to run it or his views. He might pander to Muslims but we are a minority in West. We dont have much choice - Patel or Khan who would you choose?

Also bare in mind to being real changes in Panjab requires laws education 6/7 fig budgets ..also how much money are the SGPC sitting on what are they doing?

Like mentioned above, other charities should focus on Panjab and not copy KA for easy $$ or PR.. 

He also mentioned that if we want advocate for Khalistan than how can we if nobody knows who Sikhs are .. do we rely on India media...

Overall entitled to your views but Pros KA has done outweigh the cons..imo

@proactive @dallysingh101 @proudkaur21 

 

[Kau89r8]

^ @proactive check this interview out 

[proudkaur21]

10 hours ago, proactive said:

We need to be much more selective and understand that we as a small community cannot afford to spend our resources in creating small Sikh communities in say places like Sub-Saharan Africa which will take over 10 x the resources to sustain and assist when it is cheaper and more cost effective to create a community in the states bordering Punjab. We have the example of the Afghani Sikhs, who have been ethnically cleansed from Afghanistan and whose migration to the west has taken up so much effort of Sikhs in the west and that just to save a small community of around 1000 now. The same could be the case if we create small communities in anywhere close to the Islamic world. It is much more cost effective and in the long run strategically beneficial if these communities are as close as possible to Punjab where assistance to them does not entail expensive logistics.

Below is one such success story, made all the easier because his mother tongue makes it much more easier for him to understand Gurbani, he has access to local Gurdwaras which have been there for centuries, he can travel quite easily to Harmandir Sahib, he can make links with other Sikhs in his locality and be a part of the Sangat and Sikhi will grow in his family and locality. It is though him and others like him that Sikhi will truly expand beyond from our Punjabi base. 

 

 

That is exactly what I am saying. Make your stronghold first in Punjab and surrounding areas. Whites and Muslims were able to spread to Africa their ideologies because they had strongholds in their respective areas. Without a proper base where Sikhi has its stronghold you will not be able to spread your ideology. Our gurus established towns for this very reason. Start from Punjab and surrounding areas first.

[proudkaur21]

7 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:

Africa can comfortably accommodate 4 billion people imho. As that would be a population density of around 125 people per square km with plentiful resources. In contrast the population density for Punjab is in excess 600 per sq/km today in 2022 which is almost double the UK's population density (despite the UK having one of the highest European population densities).

The bigger issue is that two big Slavemaster religions could increase their flock by an *extra BILLION* or so *each* in Africa if the Truth of Sikhi is not exposed to more black Africans than the limited few thousand indigenous black African Sikhs that have come into Sikhi this millenium in Kenya (for which I would give United Sikhs some credit).

 

Sikhi as a dharma is not as simple as the hell heaven bs of Abrahamics. Dharma is very profound and deep and makes one question their soul and existence rather than just following some random rules to go to heaven like these Abrahamics do. Alot of us here know how hard attaining mukti is.Seeing how brainwashed these people in Africa are i don't think it will be easy to convert these people to Sikhi. The people in India have a dharmic background and it will be much easier to influence them. The Abrahamic religions rot the thinking capacity of the brain. Even half the people born as Sikhs don't understand Sikhi due to Abrahamic influence all over the world. Personally I believe it's best to make India a land of dharma again. There is reason why dharam originated in the Indian subcontinent.

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You need to understand how PR works. Ravi Singh in his 23 years of running KA has become a master manipulator and master PR guy and here it shows. The interview has been arranged so that he can do his usual PR.  Firstly, we all know what the accusation against Ravi Singh are, the main one is that he spends the majority of the donations on non-Sikhs. There is no doubt there are a lot of other accusations being thrown around and what this interview does is to put those accusations to him so that he can say these are false.  He starts off with the usual defence mechanism, he is doing what he does and he could easily have made more money by doing something else, in this interview he claims he could have become a Baba but in previous videos he claims he could have become a millionaire by doing business in the UK. This is the kind of defence that one gets for people like Ravi Singh when they cannot address the issue itself. Honestly, this is the exact defence that many fraudsters use when challenged on their fraud. If someone thinks that fraud is not possible because KA is registered and overseen by the charity commission that they are deluded. Fraud can take place before the money is even accounted for. Charity commission only sees what been banked, money can easily be siphoned off before it gets banked. 

What master PR guys like Ravi Singh do is choose who and when they answer the charges put against them. It is obvious that Ravi Singh has chosen the channel and the interviewer and there is no doubt that he chosen the questions to be asked. We all know how Ravi Singh is very adept at using the blocking function on twitter whenever he get challenged on his work. 

Let's look at his answer about how he is now focussing on Punjab. On the Shaheed families, KA has only acted as a liaison for diaspora Sikhs to donate money for the Shaheed families. It has not actually given money itself. He does not make that distinction and part of the attacks on him are why he is not actually giving money to Shaheed families and only passes money on to them from diaspora Sikhs. He says he wants to set up medical clinics in Malwa and yet he wants medical organisations to contact him so that he can do so. Why is that in Punjab the sewa is always incumbent on others coming forward, does KA ever ask for other organisations to come forward when they go to Bangladesh to help Rohingyas? No, but for Punjab sewa he always lays these conditions, mainly because he can then blame the non-response from them as a get out clause for why he did not do anything for Punjab. 

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You cant deny the seva they did at the Morcha. They were setting up tents, massages etc and look at how the indian media were calling them out. They stood out whilst getting FIRs in India they being nominated UN ..this brought good light since those in the West could see how the indian media works.

 

Yes, KA did sewa at the morcha but so did other Jathebandis and the vast majority of the food and milk was supplied by the villages. I would be surprised if KA even did 1% of the sewa at the borders that the villages of Punjab and Haryana did. Even the village where the Gujjars attacked the Kisans, Inayatpura sent ration to the borders and this was the very village that KA could not even be bothered to go to even when it was clear that Amritdhari Bibis were being threatened by Gujjars. Now think why that was? It is because Ravi Singh is a leftist and like all leftists, Muslims are his favourite community. He only gives pro-Panth statements so that he can keep the money flowing in from the Panthic diaspora. 

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PR - I agree with the langar or being known for 'free food community' has its pros/cons - now think about this....there is huge with multi-millionaie biggest budgets charities for Hinduvatas in West in fact they'd been now copying the seva KA been doing in Ukraine etc..it beings us good PR as when we are seen in media its usually bad stuff ...it distinct us from Hindus/Muslims Islamic aid BAAPS etc... we all can agree how much we hate being called sector of Hindus ...Does the pr go too far yes but its brought Sikhs in good light and helped that support we need in the West. 

PR and positive image is all well and good but it is soon forgotten in the world of realpolitik. Governments don't work on emotion, if Ravi Singh think that by spending the Panth's money on non-Sikhs will somehow earn us goodwill then he will be sadly mistaken. Look at what we did for the Kashmiri women when they were threatened with sexual assault by Hindutvis all over India. Sikhs spent lakhs of rupees to get them safely home and yet when only a few months later the Kashmiri paedophile case came up, how many Kashmiri Muslims stood up for us? To be honest Ravi Singh is an emotional fo.ol and more than most in our community. 

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Alot of hindus/rss are jealous at KA pr in West and how much its grown

If making Hindus jealous of us was all we wanted to do as a Panth, then we have been doing that for centuries before KA came about and we are winning hands down but is that REALLY what our objective is as a Panth? 

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Funding - Ravi mentioned it the interview that donations don't just come from Sikhs...He said that during the flood in UK years ago KA was there and helped out, later there was one resident that donated £10k a gori on her will to go to KA. During covid-19 in India, JK Rowling donated £500k - biggest donation ever to KA. Its also registered charity so its been all accounted for and red flags would be easily called out under UK laws. Ravi also said his wife has good job in NHS he takes salary 30k i think but only last few years before he was doing go to country to country on his own holding buckets and said missed out on his kids childhood.

This another classic defence of fraudsters. How can they be fraudsters when they 'officially' worked for nothing for many years when setting up their 'fraud'. As for JK Rowling's donation, none of that money will be spent on Sikhs and that is a fact. So what difference does it make for poor Sikhs that she donated to KA? The only thing it did was to raise his profile so that he could have an even bigger claim to a Nobel prize. 

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Ravi - Is he a bad person no. His intentions are in good place for his love for the kaum yes no doubt . I don't agree with his view by cant dispute the fact he start 1999 before SM and Media he does have passion for humanity.If he started KA than he has the right to how he wants to run it or his views. He might pander to Muslims but we are a minority in West. We dont have much choice - Patel or Khan who would you choose?

The easy answer to this, why even have a choice of Patel or Khan, why not choose SINGH and KAUR every time.

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Also bare in mind to being real changes in Panjab requires laws education 6/7 fig budgets ..also how much money are the SGPC sitting on what are they doing?

That sounds like a cop out. It doesn't matter whether the money available is pennies, it should be spent on our people especially as it is been sought as DASWANDH which has always been for Sikh causes. Everyone knows the SGPC is corrupt so is that a good reason why Ravi Singh should not be held to account? 

What Ravi Singh has done in this interview is to make sure that the interviewer has chosen to put accusations to him which are outrageous and which he can easily refute. This is a bit like, say if someone is a murderer and he has murdered two people, in a similar way an interviewer could put to him. "you are accused of murdering ten people" and the murderer could quite rightly say " These are shamefaced lies, I have not murdered 10 people" which is actually quite true but it hides the fact that he did murder two people. 

Ravi Singh's defence of his pay is quite disingenuous, he present the gift aid (25%) that the government gives to a charity for every donation that they get from taxpayers as if that is some kind of grant when it is actually a refund on the tax that the taxpayer had paid when he got the money either through work or through his business. This is actually the first time I have ever come across such an excuse that a charity has offered to justify their wages. He probably expects the viewers to not understand what gift aid actually is so it looks like the government is paying his wages.