Some home truths for Ravi Singh Khalsa Aid

[dallysingh101 7,282]

36 minutes ago, PuzzledToo said:

@SinghPunjabSingh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanjar#:~:text=Kanjar is a hindu tribe,almost all also speak Punjabi.

 As far as I know the word Kanjar/Kanjari always stood for pimp/prostitute,person of low moral character. Never heard of this Bhai Mardana Ji connection. Can I get a source to look this up?

 

In the Colonial period, Kanjaris were listed under the Criminal Tribes Act, 1871, as a tribe "addicted to the systematic commission of non-bailable offenses."

A recent study found that: "A Kanjari hears the music of tabla and ghungroo from the day of her birth and must begin her formal education before her non-Kanjari friends start going to school."

I think maybe kanjar has been confused with mirasi? 

[californiasardar1 963]

On 4/22/2022 at 3:56 PM, proudkaur21 said:

Our ancestors could have also chosen to give up fighting against islam rather than get their limbs cut. They chose to fight and die fighting for the truth. Why dont they stay and fight against this casteism? 

A large percentage of your ancestors did choose to give up fighting and avoid persecution. Only a tiny percentage of Punjabis whose descendants now identify as Sikhs were actively fighting at any given time.

I stopped believing fairy tales about the Sikh community long ago. We can look at recent history for a more accurate version of the typical dynamics. What happened after operation blue star? A small handful of munday got emotional and took up arms. A much larger group of “Sikhs” actively worked with the oppressive Indian state to apprehend and kill them. The vast majority (> 95%) of the Sikh population just wanted to stay out of it.

[californiasardar1 963]

On 4/22/2022 at 3:58 PM, Jassu said:

Lol when you think about it a lot of Jatts joined sikhi because of the zamindar system. I wonder if jatts would leave sikhi if given chances for more land and money. Lmao pathetic 

Good point

[californiasardar1 963]

Let us suppose through some fortunate set of circumstances the Sikh community becomes much more powerful in the coming decades and it becomes more popular in Punjab to identify closely with Sikhi. The heroes of the 80s struggle will then get a lot more recognition than they get today, and every Sikh will go on and on about their braves ancestors who fought the Indian government in the 1980s. This will include the descendants of people like Kuldip Brar, KP Gill, Beanta, etc.

That is how absurd it is when Sikhs today keep going on about their brave ancestors hiding in jungles and fighting the oppressive Islamic state in the 1700s.

 

 

[californiasardar1 963]

We all probably have an ancestor or two who were Khalsa warriors who gave up their lives for Sikhi (simply because the number of ancestors you have grows exponentially as you go back in generations).

But over 95% of our ancestors were most likely either:

a) indifferent non-Sikhs

b) Cowardly non-fighting, non-visible Sikhs

c) People who actively collaborated with oppressive regimes to kill Sikhs and kill Sikhi

 

 

So instead of relying so much on lineages for inspiration, we should realize Sikhi is not about blood and lineage. It is about how you choose to live today. Let’s focus less on revisionist fairy tale versions of history and live in the present. Let us move towards Sikhi because it is the best dharam, not because of some perceived sense of familial attachment.

[dallysingh101 7,282]

2 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

Let us suppose through some fortunate set of circumstances the Sikh community becomes much more powerful in the coming decades and it becomes more popular in Punjab to identify closely with Sikhi. The heroes of the 80s struggle will then get a lot more recognition than they get today, and every Sikh will go on and on about their braves ancestors who fought the Indian government in the 1980s. This will include the descendants of people like Kuldip Brar, KP Gill, Beanta, etc.

That is how absurd it is when Sikhs today keep going on about their brave ancestors hiding in jungles and fighting the oppressive Islamic state in the 1700s.

 

 

Yeah, and I also have an inkling that recent converts from Majha and Doaba milk this fictitious 'connection' when these people's decedents weren't even Sikhs then. 

[SinghPunjabSingh 333]

On 4/23/2022 at 3:30 PM, PuzzledToo said:

@SinghPunjabSingh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanjar#:~:text=Kanjar is a hindu tribe,almost all also speak Punjabi.

Yes indeed Kanjar is an ethnic tribe just like how Gujjars and Jatts and Kamboj and Saini's are ethnic tribes. Mirasi is a profession and does not relate to a tribe. Ie the musicians who play in Heera Mandi are known as Mirasi. Kissan is a profession and does not indicate the tribal background of a farmer who might be Gujjar, Jatt, Saini, Baloch, Pathan or Rajput, for example. 

Of course Sikhi elevates the poor and the downtrodden to equal status so we as Sikhs have the highest respect for Bhai Mardana Ji as a Rababi (profession).

But in Pakistan Bhai Mardana Ji are derided as an apostate "Kanjar" deliberately.

On 4/23/2022 at 4:06 PM, dallysingh101 said:

I think maybe kanjar has been confused with mirasi? 

Kanjar is a tribe and Mirasi is the profession. For example, Labana is at tribal background though they may have mostly follow the profession of salt transportation in previous times or farming nowadays.

On 4/24/2022 at 1:08 PM, californiasardar1 said:

A small handful of munday got emotional and took up arms. A much larger group of “Sikhs” actively worked with the oppressive Indian state to apprehend and kill them. 

Indira Gandhi massacred pilgrims at Harmandar Sahib on the Shaheedi Diwas of Guru Arjan Dev Ji Maharaj. Now imagine if Trump was President in 2022 and massacred everyone at the Superbowl this year. I daresay that millions of emotional American munday would also take up arms against a terrorist Government like that at the time.

 

[SinghPunjabSingh 333]

But in order to get the thread back on track:

Ravi Singh should understand that there is no bigger priority than for all of us as Sikhs to focus on the upliftment of the poorest people in Punjab today.

Instead of Ravi Singh buying and distributing Bibles and Qurans for those supported by NATO or 50-odd plus Muslim countries, it should be incumbent upon him to focus more of the donations they receive from their 98% Sikh patrons towards the education, healthcare and upliftment of the poorest sections of people in east Punjab.

If we can't help our own brothers and sisters from the most economically deprived backgrounds then we will only have ourselves to blame if we end up a minority in Punjab by the 2031 census as the plan from RAW is to self-disassociate all those Sikhs of today from Ravidasi and Mazhabi ancestry (that comprise more than one third of the Sikh Qaum in Punjab) into tomorrow Hindu votebanks worshipping at apartheid Dera Ballan and Balmiki Dera's in order to decisely leave the Sikh Panth as a minority in east Punjab and also cut our links emphatically with 100million sehajdhari Sikhs outside Punjab of the same ancestry backgrounds as Dhan Dhan Baba Ravidas Ji Maharaj, Shaheed Bhai Sangat Singh Ji (leader of the Sikh Fauj in Guru Sahib's absence) and the bravest of the brave Shaheed Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji ... and not to mention our Kabirpanthi and Sanatani brothers from Uttar Pradesh ... in total = 100 million sehajdhari Sikhs outside Punjab who were always associated with Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj until Nehru was gifted power by the racist British Empire. 

[proactive 4,124]

On 4/24/2022 at 2:56 PM, dallysingh101 said:

Yeah, and I also have an inkling that recent converts from Majha and Doaba milk this fictitious 'connection' when these people's decedents weren't even Sikhs then. 

Doesn't the very fact that a convert to Sikhi becomes a son of Guru Gobind Singh give him the right to claim all of our heritage from Guru Nanak to now? 

[proactive 4,124]

2 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:

But in order to get the thread back on track:

Ravi Singh should understand that there is no bigger priority than for all of us as Sikhs to focus on the upliftment of the poorest people in Punjab today.

Instead of Ravi Singh buying and distributing Bibles and Qurans for those supported by NATO or 50-odd plus Muslim countries, it should be incumbent upon him to focus more of the donations they receive from their 98% Sikh patrons towards the education, healthcare and upliftment of the poorest sections of people in east Punjab.

If we can't help our own brothers and sisters from the most economically deprived backgrounds then we will only have ourselves to blame if we end up a minority in Punjab by the 2031 census as the plan from RAW is to self-disassociate all those Sikhs of today from Ravidasi and Mazhabi ancestry (that comprise more than one third of the Sikh Qaum in Punjab) into tomorrow Hindu votebanks worshipping at apartheid Dera Ballan and Balmiki Dera's in order to decisely leave the Sikh Panth as a minority in east Punjab and also cut our links emphatically with 100million sehajdhari Sikhs outside Punjab of the same ancestry backgrounds as Dhan Dhan Baba Ravidas Ji Maharaj, Shaheed Bhai Sangat Singh Ji (leader of the Sikh Fauj in Guru Sahib's absence) and the bravest of the brave Shaheed Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji ... and not to mention our Kabirpanthi and Sanatani brothers from Uttar Pradesh ... in total = 100 million sehajdhari Sikhs outside Punjab who were always associated with Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj until Nehru was gifted power by the racist British Empire. 

It is virtually impossible for Ravi Singh to change the whole strategy of his charity and concentrate on Sikhs, He has become a part of the woke worldview and has created a niche for our people to be mindless drones whose sole aim is to open up a free food stall at the drop of a hat. It is better to focus on other Sikh charities such as Your Seva and British Sikh Council which have been helping our people and are not involved in the constant self promotion that Ravi Singh and Khalsa Aid do. 

[californiasardar1 963]

16 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:

Indira Gandhi massacred pilgrims at Harmandar Sahib on the Shaheedi Diwas of Guru Arjan Dev Ji Maharaj. Now imagine if Trump was President in 2022 and massacred everyone at the Superbowl this year. I daresay that millions of emotional American munday would also take up arms against a terrorist Government like that at the time.

 

 

This comment has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote.

[MisterrSingh 8,407]

18 hours ago, proactive said:

It is virtually impossible for Ravi Singh to change the whole strategy of his charity and concentrate on Sikhs, He has become a part of the woke worldview and has created a niche for our people to be mindless drones whose sole aim is to open up a free food stall at the drop of a hat. It is better to focus on other Sikh charities such as Your Seva and British Sikh Council which have been helping our people and are not involved in the constant self promotion that Ravi Singh and Khalsa Aid do. 

Correct me if I'm out of order, but I'm getting the impression that people of Ravi Singh's worldview (Sikhs or otherwise) have created a culture where to be a "true" Sikh is to demote Sikh interests and anything else that prioritises our uniqueness, in favour of a horribly skewed self-effacement that is fed by the spiritual doctrine that we're tacitly encouraged to dilute and play-down so as not to offend those who aren't us. This has to be partly attributable to us having a non-existent powerbase, because Punjab is not that place for us.

[californiasardar1 963]

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Correct me if I'm out of order, but I'm getting the impression that people of Ravi Singh's worldview (Sikhs or otherwise) have created a culture where to be a "true" Sikh is to demote Sikh interests and anything else that prioritises our uniqueness, in favour of a horribly skewed self-effacement that is fed by the spiritual doctrine that we're tacitly encouraged to dilute and play-down so as not to offend those who aren't us. This has to be partly attributable to us having a non-existent powerbase, because Punjab is not that place for us.

 

This whole forum is filled with people who want to dilute Sikhi so that they don't offend monay.

In fact, most singhs in general these days are prepared to bend over backwards to let monay practice whatever version of Sikhi fits their lifestyle.

Sikhs playing down Sikh interests in order to gain wider acceptance is mereley an extension of that.

[californiasardar1 963]

19 hours ago, proactive said:

It is virtually impossible for Ravi Singh to change the whole strategy of his charity and concentrate on Sikhs, He has become a part of the woke worldview and has created a niche for our people to be mindless drones whose sole aim is to open up a free food stall at the drop of a hat. It is better to focus on other Sikh charities such as Your Seva and British Sikh Council which have been helping our people and are not involved in the constant self promotion that Ravi Singh and Khalsa Aid do. 

How much do these "Sikh focused" charities bring in in terms of donations compared to Khalsa Aid?

[californiasardar1 963]

On 4/22/2022 at 4:18 PM, proudkaur21 said:

Show me one liberal muslim who has agreed to allow non muslims be married in mosques I'll wait. Even our gurudwaras break every sikh rehat during anand Karaj. Can such beadbi be allowed in islamic mosques. Please I'll wait. A religion in which the preachers themselves see nothing wrong with doing so much beadbis what are you teaching to your next generation? that it's fine to not follow rehat. Liberal muslims break Islamic rules knowing what they are doing is wrong. Whereas <banned word filter activated> low iq sikhs break rehat and act like they are doing an act of revolution.

 

People like you prop up those who live an anti-gurmat lifestyle as panthic heroes, and then you cry about "interfaith anand karajs."

We got to "interfaith anand karajs" in the first place because nobody enforces any rules. The huge volume of anti-gurmat activity that takes place during typical "Sikh" wedding festivities has made it difficult for the community to draw the line.

Also, can you please learn to write properly? You are talking about "low iq" people, but you write like a third grader.