Some home truths for Ravi Singh Khalsa Aid

[Jassu]

2 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

So scamming is in our DNA?

Dude idk. Scamming gene is in all Indians DNA, depends on what triggers it for it to reveal itself lmao.

 

[Jassu]

I really doubt we are going to make Khalsa raj when we have own blood brothers out there scamming each other. 

[proudkaur21]

2 minutes ago, Jassu said:

Dude idk. Scamming gene is in all Indians DNA, depends on what triggers it for it to reveal itself lmao.

 

Do you think its party due to poverty? 

[Jassu]

Just now, proudkaur21 said:

Do you think its party due to poverty? 

Idk but European accounts said Hindus were very cowardly however cunning and swindlers 

[proudkaur21]

1 minute ago, Jassu said:

I really doubt we are going to make Khalsa raj when we have own blood brothers out there scamming each other. 

People in punjab have become very greedy and money hungry.

[proudkaur21]

Just now, Jassu said:

Idk but European accounts said Hindus were very cowardly however cunning and swindlers 

Gujjus are no1 is scamming and stealing for sure. 

[Jassu]

Just now, proudkaur21 said:

Gujjus are no1 is scamming and stealing for sure. 

The whole ‘Indians are like Jews’ meme had some thought put into it. There must be a reason why india a5selicks Israel lol

[SinghPunjabSingh]

On 4/22/2022 at 2:12 PM, proudkaur21 said:

Like I said I was giving a small example. I'm not sure jatts do things to non jatts in punjab what these gulf muslims do to south asian muslims. Alot of them even die living in those conditions. Yes its promoted everywhere and I hate it.

You are 100% correct on the above. However, the songs (promoted by non-Sikhs may I add as Jatts comprise 21% of the east Punjab population so it is unheard of in history for a single minority sub-community to be targetted by the Hindu and Muslim controlled Punjabi record industry with various alternating anti-Sikh messages of pathetic caste pride, alcohol, drugs, promiscuity, criminality) excuse that people are parroting nowadays is ridiculous in the extreme as the comparison of Pakistan, east Punjab and India besides east Punjab reveals that:

*Pakistani Muslims openly boast that they did not let and still do not let "Chuhra's and Chamars" (as they call them) in their Mosques.

*In Pakistan the vast majority of all such people converted to Christianity (and Sikhi) between 1849-1947. People like Martin Bashir and Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali are examples.

*In East Punjab the overwhelming majority of our Gurdwareh have Mazhabi Sikh Granthi's and Giani's and statistically the level of caste discrimination is lower in Punjab than virtually all other Indian states due to the impact of Sikhi on just over half of the Punjab population.

*Outside of east Punjab there is blatant discrimination and caste oppression of the kind that doesn't even exist in Punjab.

*Yet in the last 75years any apostate from Islam in Pakistan like Bhai Mardana Ji is killed and since Nehru started to encourage tens of millions of sehajdhari Sikhs to record their childrens surnames as Ram, Kumar, Devi or Rani instead of Singh and Kaur the Sikh Panth has lost connection with over 100million sehajdhari Sikhs (primarily outside Punjab) and the aim of the enemies of the Sikh Panth is to convert all Sikhs of Ravidasi and Mazhabi ancestry into non-Sikh Christians or Dera worshippers as we see when Badal built the multi-millions Balmiki Dera in Amritsar.

*Bhai Mardana Ji from the oppressed tribe so massively despised by Muslims so much so that the tribal name itself (Kanjar) became a pejorative had the bravery to leave Islam and become the first Sikh in history thereby putting a target for Death upon themselves from the Qazi's and Mullah's. Compare that to the generation of today who would sell out Sikhi for the fantasy of a Canadian tourist visa (which never arrives despite Jesus Christ's best efforts).

The majority of the Pastors making money out of Christianity's growth in east Punjab are rich local Jatts that collaborated with Congress in the 1980's and Canadian Jatt pastors.  

 

On 4/22/2022 at 2:14 PM, Jassu said:

Yeah like what the f is that thought process. We have lower castes leaving sikhi and going to Christianity. And others say they are anti sikh because of Jatts.

The Radha Soami controllers's are Dhillon Jatts. Ram Rahim is a Sidhu Jatt. Canadian Jatts from BC who are also involved in the drug trade there are also the ones buying the land at strategic positions and who quite often own the Churches and many of the converts are Jatts. None of the Muslim Jatts in Pakistan and none of the Hindu Jatts are leaving their religions to become born again Christians. Sonam Bajwa is a millionaire convert to Christianity. The lie that it is only so-called oppressed castes converting to Christianity is only pimped by the Indian Media.

On 4/22/2022 at 2:17 PM, dallysingh101 said:

I think you're playing down systemic caste oppression over many generations, what you are saying is very wrong, it's not a simple matter of people leaving Sikhi because of mere songs. There is a whole exclusionary ar5ehole culture in effect here that makes them do what they do.  

The point that ProudKaur is making Dally Singh Ji is that the Muslims and Hindu's are far more oppressive than the minority of casteist Sikhs like the Congress supporting Jatts + Tarkhans (as statistics clearly show) yet neither the Muslims nor Hindu's are losing the large numbers to Christianity that we see in east Punjab (as a result of RAW's desire to ensure that Sikhs are a minority in Punjab by the 2031 census).

Look at the heroes of the Sikh Panth and those who authored our Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj:

*Dhan Dhan Baba Ravidas Ji Maharaj (every time we as Sikhs do matha tek we acknowledge we Sikhs are all lower than the caste identity that Muslims and Hindu's despise the most)

Shaheed Bhai Sangat Singh Ji (derided by the Muslims and Hindu's for being a Chamar yet appointed head of the Sikh Fauj by Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj themself)

Shaheed Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji (derided as a so-called "Bihari Chuhra" by our Muslim and Hindu opponents) 

Giani Ditt Singh Ji the intellectual brains behind why Lahore Singh Sabha was able to almost double the percentage number of Sikhs between 1881-1941 despite the Hindu's and Muslims hating him for being a GurSikh of erstwhile Chamar ancestry.

On 4/22/2022 at 2:17 PM, proudkaur21 said:

A lot of jatts becoming pastors too as they earn money through it. This casteism is being used to hide a lot of ugly truths like people doing things like these for money and what not.

The way the Christian Jatts are getting rich out of is the same way that the Dera Beas Radha Soami Dhillons and Ram Rahim Sidhu do by selling drugs and quack cures. The income the Christian Jatts who own and run a lot of the Churches is higher off a church building than a similar small plot of land would otherwise earn them. The big marketing tricks they use are healing people (as they say Gurbani cannot and only a white skinned and blue eyed Jesus can) and enticing people that they will get immigration for Canada if they convert to Christianity.

On 4/22/2022 at 2:22 PM, dallysingh101 said:

It isn't just so-called 'low castes', hordes of juts are converting.   

100% correct. A lot of the Christian Jatts probably reject our religion because most of our Gurdwareh are run by Singhs of Mazhabi ancestry for the last 150years since the Lahore Singh Sabha and Giani Ditt Singh's reforms which ended racist and pro-casteist British rule of our Gurdwara's bit by bit culminating 100 years ago. Most of the GurSikh youth left in Punjab are of Mazhabi ancestry. They are the one community keeping the torch of Sikhi alive in Punjab the most.

On 4/22/2022 at 2:26 PM, proudkaur21 said:

But why dont south asian muslims leave islam then even after facing such discrimination from arabs? I mean they get treated like slaves there.

You are absolutely correct. Also there is no concerted effort to grow Christianity in Pakistani Punjab or majority Hindu states adjoining Punjab. The effort is concentrated in in east Punjab primarily by Jatts and erstwhile Hindu Ad-Dharmi's. However, since 2011 when RAW told their Dera Ballan operatives to declare that they are not Sikhs, Christianity is growing faster among Jatts (because of the Canada marketing trick that Canadian Christian Jatts are employing).  

On 4/22/2022 at 2:29 PM, dallysingh101 said:

Well there is a big difference between someone from a mazhbhi background whose family have been on the receiving end of oppression for generations leaving to some opportunistic jut whose never faced these things leaving for economic/social benefits.  

Mazhabi Sikhs are not leaving Sikhi to the same degree like other communities as Guru Sahib themselves said "Rangrete Guru Ke Bete". (The poorest and oppressed are the True Sons and Daughters of Guru Sahib). The casteists most closely aligned to working as operatives for RAW and Hindutva such as Christian Jatts and erstwhile Hindu Ad-Dharmi's along with the Christians from historically Muslim villages in east Punjab before 1947 are at the forefront. A lot of these Churches don't allow Mazhabi's inside in any case as the Mazhabi identity is synonymous with Sikhi.

On 4/22/2022 at 2:29 PM, proudkaur21 said:

This is what I was trying to get you guys to understand. That this conversion stuff is not just casteism but many factors including most sikhs being pathetic and will change their religion to whoever gives them benefits which could be because most of them are recent converts lol.

Yes what's ironic is that Sonam Bajwa is so deluded she actually probably believes that her being a Christian will get her a break in Hollywood!

On 4/22/2022 at 2:30 PM, Jassu said:

Literally Arabs have black Muslim slaves. Yet the black Muslims don’t leave Islam. Clearly peoples faith in sikhi isn’t as strong as we would like it to be

Any Jatt like General Bajwa from Pakistan or Sajjan Kumar type Hindu Jatts in India would rather die than become Christian but in east Punjab these Christian Jatts genuinely think we as Sikhs are going to Hell.

On 4/22/2022 at 2:31 PM, proudkaur21 said:

Thank you for understanding my point. That it's not simple as just casteism as can be seen from arabs having black slaves and blacks still believing in Islam.

Yes you are absolutely right and hit the nail on the head.

On 4/22/2022 at 2:41 PM, dallysingh101 said:

What seems INSANE to me when people say such things is that essentially it sounds like: "These other people accept slavery and oppression, people within our own society should do the same too."

No Dally Singh Ji I don't think ProudKaur has justified casteism at any point. What she is saying that when statistically we have proof that east Punjab is less oppressive than other states in India and Pakistan and countries like Mauritania where blacks are kept as slaves that it is only uniquely east Punjab where people are using the bogus excuse of caste songs to convert to religions which blatantly have discrimination separate Brahmin Christian churches and Brahmin Dalit Churches which never existed in Punjab before 1984 until Zail Sin initiated the process at Ramgarhia Gurdwara's in the Diaspora (where only Tarkhans are permitted to be in the membership committees) and then spreading the cancer to the newly created Ravidas Bhawans despite Dhan Dhan Baba Ravidas Ji Maharaj being the definition of everything Sikhi stands for our and is our Shabad Guru.

It completely glosses over the fact that Sikh society emerged to combat and get away from these very things.

Agreed

Please think about it, you're saying that oppressed Sikhs should just quietly accept their lot.

No Sikh (or downtrodden person) should ever face oppression. It is the Sikh Panth's job to fight oppression all the way until we destroy and unite every Pind with a single united Gurdwara.

How is that going to work when the whole ethos of Sikhi is to confront and combat such oppression?

Agreed. Sikhs must stand and fight oppression or discrimination wherever and whenever we see it. That is what Sikhi stands for.

I think some just (understandably) after many generations give up on any chance of equal treatment and leave.

Don't believe the hype Dally. The Radho Soami Dhillon's, Ram Rahim Sidhu, Sonam Bajwa and all these Jatts building anti-Sikh business empires in these Dera and Church franchise businesses are not leaving because of oppression. But what they are good at doing is hoodwinking poor Sikhs that Sikhi the religion is the problem (as opposed to Jattism sponsored by RAW and Delhi). Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj had Gujjar ancestry through Mata Gujjar Kaur Ji. Yet these Jatt pastors decry that our Dashmesh Pithah and our majority so-called "lower caste" Panj Piare were simply casteist terrorists (who purportedly promoted lineage in Chapter 4 of Bachittar Natak) yet these casteist Christian Jatts who run the Radha Soami's, Dera Sirsa and these Christian Churches are God in Human Flesh.

Why not focus on changing those who are so invested in perpetuating such gross inequalities amongst our own panth?  

Agreed anyone who is a casteist or spreads disunity among Sikhs cannot be Sikh full stop.

On 4/22/2022 at 2:44 PM, Jassu said:

Also leaving sikhi isn’t making a stand. Staying in Sikhi and fighting against casteism would make more sense. Leaving sikhi literally doesn’t do anything. I will say it again: these Sikhs are pathetic 

Sikhi is perfect humans are not

For once I actually agree with you

On 4/22/2022 at 2:45 PM, dallysingh101 said:

Panjabis have a low tolerance for oppression. 

Then why are most Punjabi's Muslims then?

90% of Punjabi's in the main despise Sikhi and Sikhi's main future potential is outside of Punjab.

On 4/22/2022 at 2:46 PM, Jassu said:

That’s why 80% of punjabis with same genes are Muslims in Pakistan lmao

Agreed

On 4/22/2022 at 2:48 PM, dallysingh101 said:

they seek fairer treatment elsewhere.  

What fairer treatment elsewhere? Christianity condones Slavery. Brahmin Christians had separate Churches to other castes in India from the get go centuries ago (not just after Rajiv Gandhi became PM as was deliberately created by Zail Sin and Congress-Gandhi family in Punjab after 1984). Muslims did not allow (as they call them) "Chuhre and Chamar" to enter Mosques. Islam condones Slavery and their Prophet Muhammad owned, trade and sold black slaves. What fairer treatment do Christian Jatts, Radha Soami Jatts and Ram Rahim Sidhu want? Maybe the fact these people are out to destroy Sikhi stems from the fact that Sikhi is the ONLY true religion for the oppressed and downtrodden of the world. A minority of casteists do not define Sikhi - Dhan Dhan Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj define what Sikhi is all about. Our Panj Piare define what Sikhi is about.

On 4/22/2022 at 2:50 PM, dallysingh101 said:

Hell, asides from forced conversions many might have converted to get away from degrading hindu caste oppression? 

Dally the overwhelming majority of Pakistani Punjabi Muslims are Jatt (Jutt), Brahmin (Butt), Khatri (Sheikh), Saini (Arain), Rajput, Pathan, Awan (Rajput sept), Syeds, Baloch, Qureshi etc so-called "high castes" who marry their cousins to keep their caste purity. Muslims statistically have the highest percentage of higher castes.

Punjabi Muslims banned who they term as "Chamar and Chuhre" from entering Mosques such that in west Punjab all of the aforementioned backgrounds converted to Christianity and Sikhi en masse.

In contrast Sikhi and Buddhism have the highest percentages of supposedly "low caste" adherents and we are proud of that and our Panj Piare. 40% of our Panth is of Mazhabi and Ravidasi Sikh background which matches the percentage ancestry of Jatts (40%) among Sikhs nowadays. 

Furthermore, our Religion is the only religion where the overwhelming majority of the custodians of our Gurdwara's are from the same community that Muslims and Hindu's decry as the lowest of the low yet every Sikh is proud that Guru Sahib taught us "Rangrete Guru ke Bete" (the Oppressed Worldwide are the Guru's true sons).

On 4/22/2022 at 2:53 PM, dallysingh101 said:

That's probably why tarkhans are more likely than others to tell these people where to go maybe?  

A minority of Congress-supporting casteist Tarkhans started off the cancer of apartheid Gurdwara franchises by excluding Jatts and Chamars and Bhatra's and all others from apartheid Ramgarhia committee's on Zail Sin's say-so at Sanjay Gandhi's behest.

On 4/22/2022 at 2:56 PM, proudkaur21 said:

Our ancestors could have also chosen to give up fighting against islam rather than get their limbs cut. They chose to fight and die fighting for the truth. Why dont they stay and fight against this casteism? 

Because that is not the fight in 2022. The fight in 2022 is about ending Sikhi in east Punjab via apartheid. We have to fight this cancer in Punjab and the West by having only one united Gurdwara in every Pind in Punjab (and locality in the West).

On 4/22/2022 at 2:58 PM, Jassu said:

Lol when you think about it a lot of Jatts joined sikhi because of the zamindar system. I wonder if jatts would leave sikhi if given chances for more land and money. Lmao pathetic 

People like the Radha Soami Dhillon's, Majithia of Badal Dal, Ram Rahim Sidhu and Sonam Bajwa have all left Sikhi for financial gain. These multi-millionaires are not oppressed slaves as the Godi media would no doubt claim.

On 4/22/2022 at 2:59 PM, proudkaur21 said:

We are not saying that its happening there so it should be allowed in sikhi. They convert to christianity where white Christians are racist against black and brown Christians. They convert to a religion that was forced on different continents. So how are they escaping inequality? Conversion to christianity provides then benefits and money. Let's say the truth.

100% agree with you ProudKaur you are 100% correct on this point.

On 4/22/2022 at 3:01 PM, Jassu said:

I honestly don’t even trust other Sikhs on this forum. Some get more triggered when you speak badly about other communities aka blacks compared to when someone is speaking badly about Sikhs

People get triggered when anybody tries to prevent the inclusivity of the Sikh Panth and derail the future growth of Sikhi by restricting it to only 10% of Punjabi's actually born into the community.

On 4/22/2022 at 3:27 PM, proudkaur21 said:

Gujjus are no1 is scamming and stealing for sure. 

Are you aware that Bhai Mokham Singh of the Panj Piare were Gujarati?

Are you aware that lots of Gujarati women are coming to Sikhi in the Diaspora while millionaire Punjabi Jatts that despise Sikhi run towards Churches (aka business franchises) in east Punjab?

[dallysingh101]

@SinghPunjabSingh

 

I think you do talk a lot of shyte in your posts inbetween some accurate stuff bro. 

What I will say (and have been saying for a while I believe) is that I don't believe that the panth is going to flourish as some minority racial Panjabi 'religion'. I'm surprised at how many people want to go down this dead-end route.

[PuzzledToo]

@SinghPunjabSingh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanjar#:~:text=Kanjar is a hindu tribe,almost all also speak Punjabi.

 As far as I know the word Kanjar/Kanjari always stood for pimp/prostitute,person of low moral character. Never heard of this Bhai Mardana Ji connection. Can I get a source to look this up?

 

In the Colonial period, Kanjaris were listed under the Criminal Tribes Act, 1871, as a tribe "addicted to the systematic commission of non-bailable offenses."

A recent study found that: "A Kanjari hears the music of tabla and ghungroo from the day of her birth and must begin her formal education before her non-Kanjari friends start going to school."