Kavi Santokh singh jis writings?

[jay singh]

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I have heard some kathavachaks use Kavi jis writings for Katha. 
I believed the writings to be genuine, but yesterday I happened to have a conversation at the gurdwara & this guy said Suraj parkash mentions Guru Gobind singh asking for feem? 
 

Which doesn’t sit well, can someone help?

[MisterrSingh]

6 hours ago, jay singh said:

Vjkkvjkf

I have heard some kathavachaks use Kavi jis writings for Katha. 
I believed the writings to be genuine, but yesterday I happened to have a conversation at the gurdwara & this guy said Suraj parkash mentions Guru Gobind singh asking for feem? 
 

Which doesn’t sit well, can someone help?

It's a can of worms for sure.

Feem for medicinal purposes is understandable considering there wasn't a Boots chemist or an A&E nearby. 

Some cheeky bugger5 would say it was for recreational purposes. 

Others would say an avatar doesn't require medicine or similar things, therefore these claims are false.

Who knows.

[dallysingh101]

7 hours ago, jay singh said:

Vjkkvjkf

I have heard some kathavachaks use Kavi jis writings for Katha. 
I believed the writings to be genuine, but yesterday I happened to have a conversation at the gurdwara & this guy said Suraj parkash mentions Guru Gobind singh asking for feem? 
 

Which doesn’t sit well, can someone help?

I think the use of afeem by the panth was done in a context a million miles away from modern recreational drug use. If we superimpose that framework on Sikh historical references, I think we're guaranteed to get the wrong end of the stick.  I believe a lot of it was medicinal and maybe even tactical (i.e. reducing fatigue on long distance travelling). You have to understand how such substances were/are used within Panjabi culture to even have a chance to grasp it fully.  

[dharamyudh]

When engaging with the text, you basically gotta remove yourself from the modern, post-Singh Sabha/Colonialism version of "Sikhism" and understand the time it was written in. Lots of people in the panth don't wanna do this/don't have the understanding and get freaked out after reading it. 

[NaamTiharoJoJape]

Feem in unsubstantial quantities as always been common amongst rural population as it is commonly believed to prevent cardiac problems and so during strokes people would often go into their pockets to grab a phhaki. It is highly doubted however that Guru Maharaj gave their singhs afeem amongst modern day kathavachiks and Gurpartaps got be taken on face value as rachna of 19th century, and we must understand 19th century sikhi not to be exactly equivalent to 18th century sikhi as we may consider it a puratan source for being pre British but it doesnt change that it was written in midpoint of timeline between us and Maharaj. Bhai Santokh Singh himself asks for khema and instructs khalsa to edit his work and proofread. There are several mistakes such as topic of raagmala, within his writings. See it as itihasic granth, not as pedestal of gurmat unlike Bhai Gurdas ji dia vaaran or even Bhai Nand Lal ji Goye Bhai Anand Singh's writings. 

On topic of afeem, fauj would have barely any time for recovery between morche so afeem and degh were parvaan perhaps. 

There is mention of Maharaj ordering singhs to take afeem when they said they felt demoralized. This is a sakhi held controversial amongst others. 

[dallysingh101]

1 hour ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

Feem in unsubstantial quantities as always been common amongst rural population as it is commonly believed to prevent cardiac problems and so during strokes people would often go into their pockets to grab a phhaki. It is highly doubted however that Guru Maharaj gave their singhs afeem amongst modern day kathavachiks and Gurpartaps got be taken on face value as rachna of 19th century, and we must understand 19th century sikhi not to be exactly equivalent to 18th century sikhi as we may consider it a puratan source for being pre British but it doesnt change that it was written in midpoint of timeline between us and Maharaj. Bhai Santokh Singh himself asks for khema and instructs khalsa to edit his work and proofread. There are several mistakes such as topic of raagmala, within his writings. See it as itihasic granth, not as pedestal of gurmat unlike Bhai Gurdas ji dia vaaran or even Bhai Nand Lal ji Goye Bhai Anand Singh's writings. 

On topic of afeem, fauj would have barely any time for recovery between morche so afeem and degh were parvaan perhaps. 

There is mention of Maharaj ordering singhs to take afeem when they said they felt demoralized. This is a sakhi held controversial amongst others. 

The earliest reference I've come across is in Sainapati's Sri Gursobha, where Singhs are described as having afeem ahead of their long journey southwards. This source is purportedly contemporary to dasmesh pita, Sainapati being one of the darbari kavis. 

 

[jay singh]

Thanks Sangat Ji.

That makes sense.

 

[GurjantGnostic]

On 4/18/2022 at 1:35 AM, jay singh said:

Vjkkvjkf

I have heard some kathavachaks use Kavi jis writings for Katha. 
I believed the writings to be genuine, but yesterday I happened to have a conversation at the gurdwara & this guy said Suraj parkash mentions Guru Gobind singh asking for feem? 
 

Which doesn’t sit well, can someone help?

Ummm... Amputations? Etc.