Baaz Article - No FBI / Police recruitment at the Gurudware -

[proudkaur21]

5 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Sikhs are disloyal hoes.

do you mean Punjabis who are sikhs or all sikhs irrespective of race?

[dallysingh101]

1 hour ago, Kau89r8 said:

i dont know about him but some i talked too a while ago told me they have question marks around their organisation. Give credit for handling grooming gangs but there others who were also handling grooming gangs and those one-on-one from the 70s 80s diff parts of UK. 

Also from what i heard they dont tell how much daswand they collect and what they spend it on. All some have them have shady backgrounds and become 'panthic' and become 'leaders' gain the celeb status 

Some of the old school appreciate their efforts. They used social media in a way that reached a lot of people, and highlihted stuff to a newer generation. I have to give them that.

 

Quote

NYSF they are the commie far-left Khalistanis types. Surprising how they are the 'main voice' for panthic issues in UK and seen in Gurudwares esp with their far-left commie ideology.  

I don't know these guys. What's 'far left commie ideology'? 

[MisterrSingh]

22 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

do you mean Punjabis who are sikhs or all sikhs irrespective of race?

I'm not sure it's an accurate idea, lol. I was a bit hyper. I think we notice the sell outs more keenly because when they turn coat, it seems to be really quite horrible to see one of your own almost relishing the betrayal. I don't think we're any more or less traitorous than other groups.

[SinghPunjabSingh]

11 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

also note this UK panthic organisation NYSF are far-left commie types of Khalistanis ..

Well exposed on "Sham" Sister.

I am not sure he is a far left commie but he is a rabid Pakistani puppet and for him to describe Singhs on Twitter as Incels but support pedophiles like Lord Nazir Ahmad along with the other Pakistani puppet Pannun is a joke.

11 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

1. I'm not "defund the police" 

2. They're getting their brown sepoys to spy on other members of society where a white face is too easily spotted, and later fight their battles. 

1. Paji I just wanted to put forward that the "defund the police" mantra isn't what it seems to be and a better comparable might be if Sikhs in the 1990's were wanting the state to "defund Punjab Police". The word "defund" is toxic is should be replaced with "what alternative uses of the overall prison and police budget can yield better outcomes if re-invested in educating African American children and improving social indices in that community", for example (as per the link).

https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/21430892/defund-the-police-funding-abolish-george-floyd-breonna-taylor-daniel-prude

Ie if $250 billion is spent annually in America on the combined budget for Policing (approx $150 billion) and Prisons (approx $100 billion) the argument is that allocating, for example, $50billion of that figure towards educating and uplifting African American children whilst cutting the profits of the privatised prison system companies would yield greater results for society.

2. I agree with much of what you say but Sikhs need to be careful that if all Sikhs start to avoid enrollment in Diaspora Police forces then there are larger communities that will likely control policing to the detriment of Sikhs. Ie greater Sikh and African Diaspora representation are needed in the Police. But I agree it's insulting when they set up their stalls at the Gurdwara. But being antagonistic against the Police purely for the sake of it will get us nowhere as a minority. 

7 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I don't know what the situation is in Canada/US, but I know orgs like the police in the UK would find tokens from our community to deflect any criticisms of them and actually attack the wider panth by undermining them with tokenism.   

We as a Panth can still criticise racist or anti-Sikh police officers or systemically racist police departments when need be. But having no Sikh or low levels of minority representation in local Police forces leads to the events like Ferguson in America where a majority black community was controlled and brutalised by mainly white police. Similarly when 80% of the Punjab-based recruits into the racist British Empire's Indian Army representation from Punjab were Muslims, much as it pains me to say it, had there been zero Sikhs with Army training the situation during the 1947 Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs could have been far worse.

6 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

NYSF they are the commie far-left Khalistanis types. Surprising how they are the 'main voice' for panthic issues in UK and seen in Gurudwares esp with their far-left commie ideology. 

Sister you are totally correct to highlight these frauds but it would be more accurate to describe Sham etc as Pakistani puppets. As he call Singhs who oppose his pimping for the Pakistani terrorist regime as "incels" yet his best friend Lord Nazir Ahmad is all good in Sham's eyes despite being a convicted pedophile.

It is beyond belief that Sham will never refer to the 1947 Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs during which 25% of Sikhs there were killed but because the Pakistani ISI bankroll him and the American clown Pannun they are suddenly the best terrorist regime on Earth.

Note how 3 of the 5 below are Pakistani's and how Pannun's aim was to give $19million to the Pakistani terrorist regime (and raised by him from gullible Sikhs). Pamma the one with the Dastar lived for so many years in his beloved Pakistan that he has lost the plot about how much money the Pakistani terrorist regime makes from drug sales to Sikh youth in east Punjab and these 2020 types want more and more of their Muslim brothers to settle in east Punjab.

All the the time these clowns like Sham are promoting Pakistan, we as Sikhs are heading closer to becoming a minority in Punjab by the 2031 census (and our eye is being taking off the ball regarding that by these 2020 Pakistani puppets) and the vital need for us to support poor Sikhs and the below replacement Sikh birth rate and massive levels of abortion going on in east Punjab along with Pakistani supplied drugs.

The biggest thing we as Sikhs now need after the last 40 years in east Punjab is a period of stability, peace and economic growth via inward investment from overseas Sikhs yet Sham idiotically advocates armed struggle against India in 2022 not realising that India has a $3trillion economy (and a military budget 10 times bigger than what it was in 1984) and is courted and supported by all of the West and Russia and on the trajectory to being a $42trillion economy by 2050. 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/262742/countries-with-the-highest-military-spending/

Bhai Jagraj Singh was 100% correct that armed struggle for Majha and Malwa (as Doaba is already majority non-Sikh) in this current time will yield zero results but parchaar to 250 million Dalits throughout India and the one billion poor people who are falsely defined as "Hindu's" by the BJP can achieve Khalsa Raj of a bigger kind without bloodshed which will benefit no one (least of all us as Sikhs).

5 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

do you mean Punjabis 

Sister, I think Paji meant the openly non-Sikh Punjabi traitors whose parents or ancestors were Sikhs as the ones who are the most disloyal collaborators like so many in Punjab Police and these various clown singers working for RAW and Muslim or Hindu owned record labels.

[MisterrSingh]

I could never deal with these Twitter "intellectuals." After the first couple of Tweets if whoever I'm tweeting is still chatting tatti, I'd just want to put his head through a wall. Life's too short, lol.

[MisterrSingh]

9 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:

2. I agree with much of what you say but Sikhs need to be careful that if all Sikhs start to avoid enrollment in Diaspora Police forces then there are larger communities that will likely control policing to the detriment of Sikhs. Ie greater Sikh and African Diaspora representation are needed in the Police. But I agree it's insulting when they set up their stalls at the Gurdwara. But being antagonistic against the Police purely for the sake of it will get us nowhere as a minority. 

We as a Panth can still criticise racist or anti-Sikh police officers or systemically racist police departments when need be. But having no Sikh or low levels of minority representation in local Police forces leads to the events like Ferguson in America where a majority black community was controlled and brutalised by mainly white police. Similarly when 80% of the Punjab-based recruits into the racist British Empire's Indian Army representation from Punjab were Muslims, much as it pains me to say it, had there been zero Sikhs with Army training the situation during the 1947 Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs could have been far worse.

Fair play, this is accurate as evidenced recently in the UK where Muslims seem to be flooding into law enforcement and related sectors, and that's never going to be a good thing for Sikhs no matter what the sell-outs in our community will claim. If they want to recruit, then fair enough, but we all know that when Sikhs gain these positions, in times of conflict they tend to defer to the authority paying their bills instead of siding with their own kind. That is a big problem, and I'm not sure there's a solution to it.

[dallysingh101]

I hesitate to write this.

But from snippets of convos I've had with tonday (with previously street backgrounds who've now settled into careers) who have friends/family in the police force, it looks like a few of their police associates are more than willing to break/bend rules for their family/friends. Harass people, use the computer systems to inform/forewarn them of things going on etc. 

That's a big difference from apnay who join, who seem to be determined to be what goray used to call a 'jobsworth' going that extra mile to prove their loyalty and having no problem throwing their own under a bus. Having a force full of such people with such mind-sets isn't really going to do the wider panth any great favours.  As alluded to by others previously - if anything they would go that extra mile to show their masters where their loyalty lies by explicitly targeting their own, and helping to create 'intelligence networks'.   

Apnay in the UK need to be acutely aware of this reality. 

We need people to join who wont be tools against their own - but such people are unlikely to want to join up. 

[dallysingh101]

On 5/20/2022 at 12:19 PM, MisterrSingh said:

Fair play, this is accurate as evidenced recently in the UK where Muslims seem to be flooding into law enforcement and related sectors, and that's never going to be a good thing for Sikhs no matter what the sell-outs in our community will claim. If they want to recruit, then fair enough, but we all know that when Sikhs gain these positions, in times of conflict they tend to defer to the authority paying their bills instead of siding with their own kind. That is a big problem, and I'm not sure there's a solution to it.

A concerted consistent effort to raise a generation that has a strong Sikh identity and fidelity would be logically central. The current fractious political, regional, caste based norm that most are raised in does not help one bit in this. We cannot rely on any institutes to do this, it has to be a ground level, personal movement. But bypassing and subverting the established norms wont be easy and will take time (a generation or two), people have to aim for that.

The other thing that I am truly baffled at, are the attitudes of the authorities here towards Sikhs - a lot of the suspicion and covert hostility directed towards any Sikhs who are even slightly freethinkers, or have even the slightest independent streak and are active in safeguarding their community (without breaking the law)? I mean we've had real serious social issues and carnage here from other communities who don't get that type of scrutiny and resentment. 

Personal message to any state intelligence services types who may be monitoring: whatever some brothers and sisters have done here was done for the right reasons - protecting the most vulnerable members of the community from horrific abuse - you should get over yourselves and see it as it is, even more so now that we know that the police and social system here have historically been completely ineffectual in combatting such abuse, as is evident in multiple locations across the nation. Thankfully because of the efforts of certain Sikhs, serial abusive perpetrators will now have a tougher time in hiding their crimes in the face of apathy. Real good has been done, and vulnerable females especially will benefit from it. You should be recognising this, and being thankful for it, instead of being paranoid and resentful about it. Seriously.              

  

[BhForce]

Is it just me, or does anybody else also notice that almost to a man, Western-born (Punjabi) Sikhs seem highly effeminate, even the ones with full beards? Even the ones with round turbans. Ok, monas, too.

Meanwhile Punjab-born kesadhari, Amritdhari, and monas are generally people you'd want on your side in a fight.

Is it something in the water?

I just can't put my finger on it.

[Jacfsing2]

2 hours ago, BhForce said:

Is it just me, or does anybody else also notice that almost to a man, Western-born (Punjabi) Sikhs seem highly effeminate, even the ones with full beards? Even the ones with round turbans. Ok, monas, too.

Meanwhile Punjab-born kesadhari, Amritdhari, and monas are generally people you'd want on your side in a fight.

Is it something in the water?

I just can't put my finger on it.

Most Western Sikhs live in cities, in general city and rural environments create different people. If western Sikhs started living in pinds, their mentality would change.