Queen’s Platinum Jubilee

[Premi5]

5 hours ago, Premi5 said:

 

Yorkshire Sikh Forum dinner launches Platinum Jubilee celebrations

Yorkshire Sikh Forum dinner launches Platinum Jubilee celebrations

   

Simmy, CEO of the Sekhon Group, said: “The dinner was a great success, much enjoyed by all our dignitaries, and we realised how important it was to have this event as a reminder of modern day, multi-cultural Britain.

“The day was so joyous.”

“But I must also make a special mention on behalf of Ray Brown of the Sekhon Group and Rehana Akbar and Peter Davis of Oikos Family Residential Centres, who were instrumental in the planning and organising of the dinner, which they did in such a short space of time.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Would Yorkshire 'Panjabi' or 'Bhangra' Forum have been a better name...?!

Man in the first photo seems to be doing some bhangra move 

[MisterrSingh]

Can't stand the Royal Family. Make my skin crawl. 

Controversially - just my opinion - but the white right-wing have been hoodwinked into accepting the Royals and figures like Churchill, and general World War II triumphalism as inalienable aspects of their identity. These three aspects and other similar factors are designed to trap them and to stop them from identifying a path that will lead to a solution to their problems. It's very effective brainwashing.

[PuzzledToo]

2 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

These three aspects and other similar factors are designed to trap them and to stop them from identifying a path that will lead to a solution to their problems. 

The path that 1933 Germany took?

[MisterrSingh]

13 hours ago, PuzzledToo said:

The path that 1933 Germany took?

I wouldn't go that far, lol. I'm referring to the patriotic English being almost compelled to defend and justify these institutions because they've been convinced they're non-negotiable cornerstones of their identity. If they were a little more brave and radical, the English would do well to jettison these actually traitorous institutions who've selfishly sold them out for their own desire to exist and feed off them. By the time the penny will drop for the English, it'll be too late. If you watch something like GB News in the UK, it exemplifies the saying, "He gives with one hand, and with the other he taketh away" lol. It seems "legit" from a native right-wing perspective, but it's actually perpetuating the tropes and narratives that are the required counterbalance to their ideological opposition in order to maintain the desired paradigm. I think it's referred to as "controlled opposition." 

[californiasardar1]

On 6/1/2022 at 11:01 AM, Premi5 said:

https://britasia.tv/jaz-dhami-to-perform-at-queens-platinum-jubilee-celebrations/

Jaz Dhami to perform at Queen’s Platinum Jubilee Celebrations

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 Brit Asia Tv

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12th May 2022

Jaz Dhami set to perform for the queen

British Asian Punjabi singer Jaz Dhami is set to make history by performing Gal Sun at the official Queens Platinum Jubilee Celebrations on the private grounds at Windsor Castle from 11-15th May. Jaz Dhami will be accompanied by the Tri-service Orchestra and National Symphony Orchestra for his performance.

 

Does this clown have cornrows?

[californiasardar1]

On 6/1/2022 at 1:06 PM, MisterrSingh said:

This needs to be discussed a lot more than it currently is. The large majority of people in the pinds from this generation and earlier (and maybe as "recently" as the 70s) may have identified as Sikhs yet they still carried on with Hindu ceremonies and cultural practices. It was very commonplace yet you wouldn't know or think this if you listen to Sikh parchaar and discourse in Gurdwaras. They give the impression Sikhi has been one long uninterrupted line of adherence beginning from 1469 to today. I would argue it was only with the lehars of the late 70s and 80s where the Sikh identity was magnified for obvious reasons, did this "dipping toes in both waters" begin to recede or at least go underground, although I'd argue in the past ten years our people over there have started to openly revert to Hindu cultural practices once again under the guise of non-descript Punjabi-ism. It's a very interesting conversation.

How long can a religion such as ours (with an obviously floundering birthrate and adherence levels, terrible political leadership, and ignorant and unrelatable religious hierarchy) with a heavily interdependent shared mythology with the original "brand", resist a gradual reabsorption into the main branch? It'll take some doing to resist.

 

This is a good point. I have known many elderly Sikhs who partake in certain Hindu rituals and believe in certain Hindu superstitions.

I am convinced that many Sikhs have Hindu roots that are much more recent than most people would imagine. There are lots of signs of this. For example, I have met some people whose ancestors from the early 1900s or late 1800s had "Hindu names" (i.e. a more "Hindu sounding" first name, and no "Singh" in any part of the name) and/or did not keep their kesh. There was an interesting thread on SikhSangat a few years ago regarding religious census figures in Punjab from the late 1800s and early 1900s. Surprisingly, Hindu jats outnumbered Sikh jats in many parts of modern day Indian Punjab in the late 1800s.

Given all of the above facts, it's not surprising that Hindu practices have been strong in the Sikh community.

 

I honestly think that the existence of Sikhs in substantial numbers today is accidental and due to the British:

1) The British made a clear distinction between Sikhs and Hindus, based on physical appearance (Sikh <=> turban and kesh, no turban and kesh => Hindu). Without the rulers making such a clear distinction, the line between Sikh and Hindu would have been blurred, and I think there is a good chance that Sikhs would have just been gradually absorbed back into the Hindu fold (most Sikhs partook in certain Hindu practices anyway, and Hindus to this day view Sikhs as just another one of their subgroups).

2) The British incentivized being Sikh by (among other things) preferentially recruiting Sikhs into the military. Within a generation or two of the British taking control of Punjab, virtually all Punjabi-speaking jats were "visible Sikhs" (kept turban and kesh). Within a generation or two of the British raj ending, a majority of Punjabi-speaking jats reverted back to being monay. This was not a coincidence. Aside from the jat community, notice similar practices in other communities. For example, the tradition of Hindu khatri families raising one son to be a Sikh. The frequency of this practice and the frequency of jats keeping their kesh follow essentially the same timeline.

[MisterrSingh]

9 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

I honestly think that the existence of Sikhs in substantial numbers today is accidental and due to the British:

1) The British made a clear distinction between Sikhs and Hindus, based on physical appearance (Sikh <=> turban and kesh, no turban and kesh => Hindu). Without the rulers making such a clear distinction, the line between Sikh and Hindu would have been blurred, and I think there is a good chance that Sikhs would have just been gradually absorbed back into the Hindu fold (most Sikhs partook in certain Hindu practices anyway, and Hindus to this day view Sikhs as just another one of their subgroups).

2) The British incentivized being Sikh by (among other things) preferentially recruiting Sikhs into the military. Within a generation or two of the British taking control of Punjab, virtually all Punjabi-speaking jats were "visible Sikhs" (kept turban and kesh). Within a generation or two of the British raj ending, a majority of Punjabi-speaking jats reverted back to being monay. This was not a coincidence. Aside from the jat community, notice similar practices in other communities. For example, the tradition of Hindu khatri families raising one son to be a Sikh. The frequency of this practice and the frequency of jats keeping their kesh follow essentially the same timeline.

A rather spicy hot-take but one with merit.

The British inculcated structure and organisation; some would suggest to the detriment of groups they considered non-essential to their plans to rule. 

The lines between what passed as Sikhi and Punjabi Hinduism prior to the British may as well not even have existed. There was a hell of a lot of crossover to the point where the ground reality was a laissez-faire adherence to Sikhi if I'm being generous. Those who lament a puritan Sikhi do so not because of a genuine dardh for a lost civilisation or way of life, but because what emerged under the British -- and the later Singh Sabha efforts to reform -- sidelined their own particular tribe while elevating others. A return to the "good old" days prior to the SS and the British actually signals a closer adherence to Hinduism. Is that what Sikhs desire?

[Ranjeet01]

13 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

A rather spicy hot-take but one with merit.

The British inculcated structure and organisation; some would suggest to the detriment of groups they considered non-essential to their plans to rule. 

The lines between what passed as Sikhi and Punjabi Hinduism prior to the British may as well not even have existed. There was a hell of a lot of crossover to the point where the ground reality was a laissez-faire adherence to Sikhi if I'm being generous. Those who lament a puritan Sikhi do so not because of a genuine dardh for a lost civilisation or way of life, but because what emerged under the British -- and the later Singh Sabha efforts to reform -- sidelined their own particular tribe while elevating others. A return to the "good old" days prior to the SS and the British actually signals a closer adherence to Hinduism. Is that what Sikhs desire?

The Brits particularly of the Victorian age compartmentalise everything.

Structure and routine with clear instructions is very important. 

Our cultural background is very guchh - muchh. Everything is blurred and nothing is clear and everything is chaotic and intermingled. Our way is that even if our gurus told us explicitly not to do something, we nod and agree and then carry on doing the opposite. 

[MisterrSingh]

2 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The Brits particularly of the Victorian age compartmentalise everything.

Structure and routine with clear instructions is very important. 

Our cultural background is very guchh - muchh. Everything is blurred and nothing is clear and everything is chaotic and intermingled. Our way is that even if our gurus told us explicitly not to do something, we nod and agree and then carry on doing the opposite. 

Ironically, if we go by various exalted rehatnamas and similar such writings produced post-The Gurus Period, an influential class of ex-Brahmins who'd converted to Sikhi (supposedly) had maneuvered themselves into the decision-making apparatus of the religion, who, subsequently -- surprise-surprise -- were producing apparently divinely inspired writings that legitimised and prioritised individuals of their own background in terms of special status and power within the Panth itself.

So we basically went full circle from complaining about social injustice under Brahmins prior to 1469, to a Brahmin overseer class infiltrating Sikhi as one of us in order to continue holding onto the reins of whatever spiritual and temporal power was present in the Panth at the time. And apparently this latter period is the golden age we need to return to. We're being played by chalakhoos in the Panth.

[Ranjeet01]

2 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Ironically, if we go by various exalted rehatnamas and similar such writings produced post-The Gurus Period, an influential class of ex-Brahmins who'd converted to Sikhi (supposedly) had maneuvered themselves into the decision-making apparatus of the religion, who, subsequently -- surprise-surprise -- were producing apparently divinely inspired writings that legitimised and prioritised individuals of their own background in terms of special status and power within the Panth itself.

So we basically went full circle from complaining about social injustice under Brahmins prior to 1469, to a Brahmin overseer class infiltrating Sikhi as one of us in order to continue holding onto the reins of whatever spiritual and temporal power was present in the Panth at the time. And apparently this latter period is the golden age we need to return to. We're being played by chalakhoos in the Panth.

It does not matter what religion it is, the framework seems to be ever present. 

This framework has it's own semblance of order which is an anomaly in a sea of chaos.