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On 7/15/2022 at 10:36 AM, ssinghuk said:

If possible, can we name all of the GurSikhs included in the work?

Please comment names/numbers sangat ji and daas will edit captions below

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1 - Bibi Joginder Kaur Ji (Singhni of Bhai Jeevan Singh Ji), 2 - Bhai Amolak Singh Ji, 3, 4 - Bhai Shingara Singh Ji, 5, 6 - Bhai Preetam Singh Ji Chani, 7, 8 - Bibi Bhupinder Kaur Ji, 9 - Dr Preetam Singh Ji, 10 - Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji, 11 - Bhai Jeevan Singh Ji, 12 - Master Niranjan Singh Ji, 13 - (Singh from UK?), 14 - Giani Amolak Singh Ji, 15 - Bhai Joginder Singh Ji Talwara

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16 - Bhai Surat Singh Ji Pooran, 17 - Bhai Harbhajan Singh Ji Sagoo, 18 - Bhai Rama Singh Ji, 19 - Bhai Mal Singh Ji, 20 - Jathedar Raghbir Singh Ji, 21 - Bhai Kulwant Singh Ji (kaki pind), 22 

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23 - Bhai Avtar Singh Ji Kurala, 24 - Bhai Fauja Singh Ji, 25 - Sant Jarnail Singh Ji, 26 - Bhai Kulwant Singh Nagoke, 27 - Bhai Mehnga Singh Ji Babbar, 28 - Bhai Anokh Singh Ji Babbar, 29 - Bhai Sukhdev Singh Ji Babbar, 30 - Bhai Gujrant Singh Ji (budh singh wala), 31 - Jathedar Gurdev Singh Ji Kaonke

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23 hours ago, dharamyudh said:

You're 100% right. Sects absolutely destroyed us. Heck, I'm even trying to overcome my own personal biases because of it. Dal Khalsa was one unified unit with a unified group of people, beliefs, marayada etc. It was one of the reason why things like the Sarbat Khalsa and jathedari worked so well in the past. However, as many of us have seen, these things are so difficult to apply in the current Sikh world due to these jatha loyalties. 

it's only when modern Sikhs let go of their jatha egoes and start understanding the rehitnamas and itihasic granths, then they will understand the value of da khalsa and what dal khalsa achieved!

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On 7/23/2022 at 10:10 PM, dharamyudh said:

You're 100% right. Sects absolutely destroyed us. Heck, I'm even trying to overcome my own personal biases because of it. Dal Khalsa was one unified unit with a unified group of people, beliefs, marayada etc. It was one of the reason why things like the Sarbat Khalsa and jathedari worked so well in the past. However, as many of us have seen, these things are so difficult to apply in the current Sikh world due to these jatha loyalties. 

There were always sects. The beauty was we could still be united and respect each other yet be different.

Just look at dasam pitas time. He told bhai nand lal ji not to fight, supported bhai khaniya ji's anti-violence agenda. Had hindus and muslims and mercenaries in his army. Send most women away from the fight (including mata jis) but allowed mai bhago to fight.

Contradictions and opposing views everywhere. 

And also had a vaishnav and meat langar at the same time.

Then later there were the sikhs who lived in jangals and fought. Then city sikhs like subheg singh and shabaaz singh. Then farmers like bhai taaru singh. Village dwellers like the singhaniya in mir mannus jail. 

No time was there when all sikhs were shastardhari, living in jangals.

In fact there were udasees, seva panthis, bedis, nirmale,  tarna dal vs budha dal division, then misls, followed by sikh rajas vs akalis. Then naamdhari showed up. 

The arguments in the 1900s were numerous. If sachkhand is an actual place vs avastha. If meat is allowed. If padshed is allowed. Dasam granth. If dakhani onkaar is actually called Onkaar Bani (pamphlet on that by Bhagat puran singh)

And dont just blame the akjs. Many other sects dont believe in brahm kavach as part of dasam etc. 

I think the vaaja should have an important nostalgic place in our gurudwaras. It is a symbol of how sikhi spread to the masses, how it triumphed under colonial rule. How when the british were busying destroying our culture, taking away kaide/books and shastar away from our ppl. Sikhs co-opted their instrument and spread sikhi. Like the miniature saroops of SGGS used in the world wars. Part of our history of how Sikhs kept sikhi alive in hard times. And should be revered. 

Puratan is important so we don't lose any of our magnificent history and culture and skills. But it shouldn't stop us from adding more skills to our repertoire. 

Like maharaja ranjit adding cannons to his army and learning from the European soldiers about military training. (BTW most of those Europeans were french/Italian who having lost the napoleonic wars fled east and their hatred of the English is what attracted them to ranjit singh)

 

 

 

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19 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

There were always sects. The beauty was we could still be united and respect each other yet be different.

Just look at dasam pitas time. He told bhai nand lal ji not to fight, supported bhai khaniya ji's anti-violence agenda. Had hindus and muslims and mercenaries in his army. Send most women away from the fight (including mata jis) but allowed mai bhago to fight.

Contradictions and opposing views everywhere. 

And also had a vaishnav and meat langar at the same time.

Then later there were the sikhs who lived in jangals and fought. Then city sikhs like subheg singh and shabaaz singh. Then farmers like bhai taaru singh. Village dwellers like the singhaniya in mir mannus jail. 

No time was there when all sikhs were shastardhari, living in jangals.

In fact there were udasees, seva panthis, bedis, nirmale,  tarna dal vs budha dal division, then misls, followed by sikh rajas vs akalis. Then naamdhari showed up. 

The arguments in the 1900s were numerous. If sachkhand is an actual place vs avastha. If meat is allowed. If padshed is allowed. Dasam granth. If dakhani onkaar is actually called Onkaar Bani (pamphlet on that by Bhagat puran singh)

And dont just blame the akjs. Many other sects dont believe in brahm kavach as part of dasam etc. 

I think the vaaja should have an important nostalgic place in our gurudwaras. It is a symbol of how sikhi spread to the masses, how it triumphed under colonial rule. How when the british were busying destroying our culture, taking away kaide/books and shastar away from our ppl. Sikhs co-opted their instrument and spread sikhi. Like the miniature saroops of SGGS used in the world wars. Part of our history of how Sikhs kept sikhi alive in hard times. And should be revered. 

Puratan is important so we don't lose any of our magnificent history and culture and skills. But it shouldn't stop us from adding more skills to our repertoire. 

Like maharaja ranjit adding cannons to his army and learning from the European soldiers about military training. (BTW most of those Europeans were french/Italian who having lost the napoleonic wars fled east and their hatred of the English is what attracted them to ranjit singh)

udasis and sewapanthis aren't khalsa sects and are sikh sampradaiye. Due to not being part of khalsa, they do not cause division in the khalsa and behave as part of wider sikh panth, in a bohpanti sikh panth. Those sampradaiye existed at the time of dal khalsa and didn't cause issues,  and helped support sikhs and gurdwaras and seva. To include these sampradaiye in divisions of khalsa is completely illogical !

To be honest it doesn't really make sense to include bedis and nirmalay either because their roles didn't interfere with the main khalsa panth the way today's jathas and sgpc try to control! Normally Every Singh took pahul from Budha Dal and then either stayed with dal khalsa and had the one panthic maryada, or maybe went into their life or grihast jeevan, maybe joining Maharaja Ranjit Singh's army or whatever they wanted, but still keeping the dal panth maryada, and theres other went onto some sect or dera to follow their maryada... None of this stuff with take amrit from my jatha and follow our maryada and we are the correct khalsa way, there just was't any of this ego or erosion present!

The issue NOW is there are sects and divisions within the khalsa! Don't worry about sects outside of the khalsa, those have always existed going all the way to Udasis, and only aim to spread prachar and bring people into sikhi!

some sects such as panch khalsa diwan with Bhasauria, jathas and sgpc must take the blame for mutilating chaupai sahib and printing gutkas throughout last century with this presentation!

harmonium is maybe nostalgic, however if we really are indepencdent from colonial rule, then we should not use it over Guru Arjan dev ji's hukam of using tanti saaj for raag keertan!

nostalgia is one thing but Guru is always main thing!

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