Why are starched turbans hated?

[VSinghz7]

I tie a Punjabi style dastar with starch. Why do people hate this so much? Once I was tying my dastar and my neck seized up. The apna doctor said holding that position daily for more than 5 mins is dangerous. He recommended a starched pagg like his dad ties.  I took the advice but I still respect Dastar more than life.

If someone TREATS their Dastar like a hat just because they don't tie it each time then this is unacceptable but just because one puts their pagg on their head rather than tying it each time doesn't mean they treat it as such. (and let's be honest, starched or not we've all put our dad's pagg on our head like a hat when we were kids as a joke and meant no disrespect. Intention is everything). I know Singhs who get angry tying their pagg and start doing maa/phen di gaaliyan, and when they take it off they just throw to the side and wait to tie it again next time.

(Also, I'm from a Jat Sikh family so pls don't try to make this about "starched paggs are tarkhan/caste based" or anything stupid like that).

PS: I do remember that stupidness in the 90s/early 2000s UK when Sikh men used to have a tiny starched paggs and were completely clean shaven or had a little goatee like Herbie Sahara/ Vijay Bhatti from Achanak. Now THAT was stupid and deserves all the hate but I just mean the concept of a starched dastar whether it's Punjabi Style, Kenyan style or whatever. I think if we respect our Dastar then that's all that matters

[BhForce]

On 2/7/2025 at 10:48 AM, VSinghz7 said:

I tie a Punjabi style dastar with starch. Why do people hate this so much?

Bro, there's nothing wrong with adding starch to your clothes to enhance their ability to "stand".

The objection is not to the starch. The objection is to taking it off in one swoop and putting it back on, like a hat.

"Like a hat" doesn't mean throwing it on the ground. Do Englishmen throw their hats on the ground? "Like a hat" means taking it off and putting it on a shelf. Don't pretend to be naive, bro.

The rehit, as stated by Bhai Nand Lal ji, is "paag chunaai kar bandai", that is, tie the turban section by section.

No one is forcing you to do anything, but please don't pretend you're following the original rehit of Guru Maharaj.

[VSinghz7]

10 hours ago, BhForce said:

Bro, there's nothing wrong with adding starch to your clothes to enhance their ability to "stand".

The objection is not to the starch. The objection is to taking it off in one swoop and putting it back on, like a hat.

"Like a hat" doesn't mean throwing it on the ground. Do Englishmen throw their hats on the ground? "Like a hat" means taking it off and putting it on a shelf. Don't pretend to be naive, bro.

The rehit, as stated by Bhai Nand Lal ji, is "paag chunaai kar bandai", that is, tie the turban section by section.

No one is forcing you to do anything, but please don't pretend you're following the original rehit of Guru Maharaj.

Who is pretending to be naive bro? And we are only talking about proper starch (to make the Dastar stay in shape to put on head again without tying for a few months). And we DO tie it section by section, just not every time we wear it. We don't just buy it in a shop, we do have to pooni and tie as normal, just not as regularly.

So what is the problem with starched turban if it is respected? Like I said some people treat fresh tied paghs badly and some treat their starch dastar with the upmost respect

[BhForce]

On 3/10/2025 at 10:18 AM, VSinghz7 said:

So what is the problem with starched turban if it is respected?

Bro, as stated above, you can do whatever you want. No one is snatching your starched turban, 2 weeks old, from your head.

But what you want is for Guru's Singhs to call your turban in accordance with rehit. That's not going to happen.

Also, why can't you simply tie your starched turban fresh every day? (Genuine question)

[ipledgeblue]

On 3/10/2025 at 5:18 PM, VSinghz7 said:

Who is pretending to be naive bro? And we are only talking about proper starch (to make the Dastar stay in shape to put on head again without tying for a few months). And we DO tie it section by section, just not every time we wear it. We don't just buy it in a shop, we do have to pooni and tie as normal, just not as regularly.

So what is the problem with starched turban if it is respected? Like I said some people treat fresh tied paghs badly and some treat their starch dastar with the upmost respect

what kinda pagh are you tying that is taking more than 5 minutes?

Actually puraatan maryada is to sit cross legged and cover your feet, tying pagh sitting down. The standing up may hurt your head.  Turban is not a hatm, many shaheediyaa have been given for the cost of this turban. MAryada is to tie fresh each time, and also twice a day. I kanga my kes twice a day and do keski twice a daym sometimes do my pagh or dumalla the 2nd time as well if I am going out.

Just sit down, put a mirror in front and there should be not stress on your neck.

[VSinghz7]

On 3/13/2025 at 11:58 AM, ipledgeblue said:

what kinda pagh are you tying that is taking more than 5 minutes?

Actually puraatan maryada is to sit cross legged and cover your feet, tying pagh sitting down. The standing up may hurt your head.  Turban is not a hatm, many shaheediyaa have been given for the cost of this turban. MAryada is to tie fresh each time, and also twice a day. I kanga my kes twice a day and do keski twice a daym sometimes do my pagh or dumalla the 2nd time as well if I am going out.

Just sit down, put a mirror in front and there should be not stress on your neck.

I listen to Guru Sahib and the Sikh Rehat Maryada, not "Puratan Maryada" or "Rehatname"

Bro don't be stupid 'standing up will hurt your head'? 

It's position of my shoulder blades when tying. Dumalla is very entry level turban (easy to tie) but to pooni, pinch and accurately place larrhs on a Punjabi Style pagg takes ages for many.

But Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj said "tie your turban layer by layer" but he didn't say it has to be each day i don't think. Starched turbans are tied once and then hold shape to be worn again without retying for a while

YES THEY GAVE THEIR LIFE FOR A TURBAN. I WOULD TOO. I HAVE ONE, I TIE ONE AND I EVEN TAKE THE EXTRA STEP OF STARCHING IT. A STARCHED TURBAN IS NO LESS A TURBAN THAN ONE TIED EVERY DAY.  

Also I've read your content you like to act like a warrior and all so how about this: in today's world, an attack on a Singh today is likely a racist trying to remove ur pagg.  If it gets knocked offthen ur screwed. But a starch turban won't fall off, even if they do then you can just put it on again. Same if you witness an assault outside ur house at night you can put the pagg on and run to help (like a sant sipahi) instead of going out Nanga Sirf in the night

 

[VSinghz7]

On 3/12/2025 at 4:57 AM, BhForce said:

Bro, as stated above, you can do whatever you want. No one is snatching your starched turban, 2 weeks old, from your head.

But what you want is for Guru's Singhs to call your turban in accordance with rehit. That's not going to happen.

Also, why can't you simply tie your starched turban fresh every day? (Genuine question)

1) How is it out of Rehit? "tie your turban layer by layer/turn by turn" - it doesn't say "every time" anywhere. And Guru Sahib is normally very specific about things, even the material an Amrit Batta can be. They were this specific about some things but didn't include "roz" in that line of Hukam?

2) I can't tie it fresh every day cos of the injury I described. Can't you read? (Genuine question)

[ipledgeblue]

On 3/18/2025 at 7:08 PM, VSinghz7 said:

Also I've read your content you like to act like a warrior and all so how about this: in today's world, an attack on a Singh today is likely a racist trying to remove ur pagg.  If it gets knocked offthen ur screwed. But a starch turban won't fall off, even if they do then you can just put it on again. Same if you witness an assault outside ur house at night you can put the pagg on and run to help (like a sant sipahi) instead of going out Nanga Sirf in the night

 

sirr should not be nanga because keski is usually worn.

[VSinghz7]

On 4/21/2025 at 7:43 PM, ipledgeblue said:

sirr should not be nanga because keski is usually worn.

Sikhs can sleep nanga-sirr if they choose to . Being from Punjab, almost every Sardaarji i know (amritdhari or not) sleeps/showers with their hair uncovered. I don't think Guru Sahib asked us to wear Dastar to sleep and I don't think it is in SRM.

The idea of "keski being worn to sleep" is cos in Bollywood films (Bachna Ae Haseeno) Sikh characters usually tie a gol parna when sleeping since the actor's usually Hindu. So they gotta cover his head somehow or he'd have cut hair. Same reason Diljit wore a pagg to bed in the El Sueno vid. Only time they didn't do that was in Gadar with Sunny Deol which just looked odd tbh

[Not2Cool2Argue]

 

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Posted April 24

  On 4/21/2025 at 2:43 PM, ipledgeblue said:

sirr should not be nanga because keski is usually worn.

 

Sikhs can sleep nanga-sirr if they choose to . Being from Punjab, almost every Sardaarji i know (amritdhari or not) sleeps/showers with their hair uncovered. I don't think Guru Sahib asked us to wear Dastar to sleep and I don't think it is in SRM.

 

The idea of "keski being worn to sleep" is cos in Bollywood films (Bachna Ae Haseeno) Sikh characters usually tie a gol parna when sleeping since the actor's usually Hindu. So they gotta cover his head somehow or he'd have cut hair. Same reason Diljit wore a pagg to bed in the El Sueno vid. Only time they didn't do that was in Gadar with Sunny Deol which just looked odd tbh

 

What in the world? What sikh or even a decent human would base their knowledge of their culture or religion on a movie industry, that too Bollywood? 

Believe me, no sikh ever said, I must cover my head becasue an actor did so in a movie. I've been doing it all wrong, I must start covering mh head because the sikh in that movie did. 

Just because every panjabi and sardaar you know, does something, also doesn't make it right.. 

Follow the guru. And if you have a medical condition, then exemptions can be made.  Just admit it, because of my medical condition, I am not able to follow this rehit. Why are you getting everyone else to drop to your level?