Why are starched turbans hated?

[VSinghz7]

I tie a Punjabi style dastar with starch. Why do people hate this so much? Once when I was tying my dastar my neck seized up and the apna doctor said staying in that position daily for more than 5 mins is dangerous. He recommended a starched pagg like his dad. And I respect my pagg more than my life. I put it on the top shelf of my cupboard whenever it isn't on my head, recite Waheguruji da naam whenever I am tying my joora, fifty and when i place the Dastar on my head and I mata thek and kiss  it before I do. And when I do tie it (every 4 months when the starch starts to weaken) I make sure that I pooni and tie it with much love and whilst reciting paath.

I get that if someone treats their turban like a hat (eg: throwing it on the floor, cramping it or just disrespecting it) then this is unacceptable but just cos one puts their pagg on their head rather than tying it each time doesn't mean they treat it as such. (and let's be honest, starched or not we've all put our dad's pagg on our head like a hat when we were kids as a joke and meant no disrespect. Intention is everything). Ik Singhs who get angry tying their pagg and start doing maa/phen di gaaliyan, and when they take it off they just throw to the side and wait to tie it again next time.

(Also, I'm from a Jat Sikh family so pls don't try to make this about "starched paggs are tarkhan/caste based" or anything stupid like that).

PS: I do remember that stupidness in the 90s/early 2000s UK when Sikh men used to have a tiny starched paggs and were completely clean shaven or had a little goatee like Herbie Sahara/ Vijay from achanak. Now THAT was stupid and deserves all the hate but I just mean the concept of a starched dastar whether it's Punjabi Style, Kenyan style or whatever

[BhForce]

On 2/7/2025 at 10:48 AM, VSinghz7 said:

I tie a Punjabi style dastar with starch. Why do people hate this so much?

Bro, there's nothing wrong with adding starch to your clothes to enhance their ability to "stand".

The objection is not to the starch. The objection is to taking it off in one swoop and putting it back on, like a hat.

"Like a hat" doesn't mean throwing it on the ground. Do Englishmen throw their hats on the ground? "Like a hat" means taking it off and putting it on a shelf. Don't pretend to be naive, bro.

The rehit, as stated by Bhai Nand Lal ji, is "paag chunaai kar bandai", that is, tie the turban section by section.

No one is forcing you to do anything, but please don't pretend you're following the original rehit of Guru Maharaj.

[VSinghz7]

10 hours ago, BhForce said:

Bro, there's nothing wrong with adding starch to your clothes to enhance their ability to "stand".

The objection is not to the starch. The objection is to taking it off in one swoop and putting it back on, like a hat.

"Like a hat" doesn't mean throwing it on the ground. Do Englishmen throw their hats on the ground? "Like a hat" means taking it off and putting it on a shelf. Don't pretend to be naive, bro.

The rehit, as stated by Bhai Nand Lal ji, is "paag chunaai kar bandai", that is, tie the turban section by section.

No one is forcing you to do anything, but please don't pretend you're following the original rehit of Guru Maharaj.

Who is pretending to be naive bro? And we are only talking about proper starch (to make the Dastar stay in shape to put on head again without tying for a few months). And we DO tie it section by section, just not every time we wear it. We don't just buy it in a shop, we do have to pooni and tie as normal, just not as regularly.

So what is the problem with starched turban if it is respected? Like I said some people treat fresh tied paghs badly and some treat their starch dastar with the upmost respect

[BhForce]

On 3/10/2025 at 10:18 AM, VSinghz7 said:

So what is the problem with starched turban if it is respected?

Bro, as stated above, you can do whatever you want. No one is snatching your starched turban, 2 weeks old, from your head.

But what you want is for Guru's Singhs to call your turban in accordance with rehit. That's not going to happen.

Also, why can't you simply tie your starched turban fresh every day? (Genuine question)

[ipledgeblue]

On 3/10/2025 at 5:18 PM, VSinghz7 said:

Who is pretending to be naive bro? And we are only talking about proper starch (to make the Dastar stay in shape to put on head again without tying for a few months). And we DO tie it section by section, just not every time we wear it. We don't just buy it in a shop, we do have to pooni and tie as normal, just not as regularly.

So what is the problem with starched turban if it is respected? Like I said some people treat fresh tied paghs badly and some treat their starch dastar with the upmost respect

what kinda pagh are you tying that is taking more than 5 minutes?

Actually puraatan maryada is to sit cross legged and cover your feet, tying pagh sitting down. The standing up may hurt your head.  Turban is not a hatm, many shaheediyaa have been given for the cost of this turban. MAryada is to tie fresh each time, and also twice a day. I kanga my kes twice a day and do keski twice a daym sometimes do my pagh or dumalla the 2nd time as well if I am going out.

Just sit down, put a mirror in front and there should be not stress on your neck.

[VSinghz7]

On 3/13/2025 at 11:58 AM, ipledgeblue said:

what kinda pagh are you tying that is taking more than 5 minutes?

Actually puraatan maryada is to sit cross legged and cover your feet, tying pagh sitting down. The standing up may hurt your head.  Turban is not a hatm, many shaheediyaa have been given for the cost of this turban. MAryada is to tie fresh each time, and also twice a day. I kanga my kes twice a day and do keski twice a daym sometimes do my pagh or dumalla the 2nd time as well if I am going out.

Just sit down, put a mirror in front and there should be not stress on your neck.

 Is that from Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj/Sikh Rehat Maryada? Cos if not then it doesn't apply to me (I'm a Sikh of the Guru and nobody else).

Bro don't be stupid 'standing up will hurt your head'? Sachi?

It's position of my shoulder blades when tying. Dumalla is very entry level turban (not hard to tie) but to pooni, pinch and accurately place larrhs on a Punjabi Style pagg like mine takes a long time for most. Dumalla is not a real pagg it is a DASTAR (Warrior style). A pagg is double patti stitched turban (short for Pagrri, a common man's turban style).

But Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj said "tie your turban layer by layer" but he didn't say it has to be each day i don't think. Starched turbans are tied once and then hold shape to be worn again without retying for about a few weeks to a few months depending on how much mawa you use. 

YES THEY GAVE THEIR LIFE FOR A TURBAN. I WOULD TOO. I HAVE ONE, I TIE ONE AND I EVEN TAKE THE EXTRA STEP OF STARCHING IT. A STARCHED TURBAN IS NO LESS A TURBAN THAN ONE TIED EVERY DAY.  

Also I've read your content you like to act like a warrior and all so how about this: in today's world, nobody has swords on the street. An attack on a Singh today is likely gonna be a racist trying to remove ur pagg.  If it gets knocked off or unwound then ur screwed. But a starch turban can be called a "warrior turban" imo cos they prolly won't fall off but if they do then you can just put it on again. Same if you witness an assault or stn outside ur house at night you can put the pagg on and run to help (like a sant sipahi) instead of going out Nanga Sirf in the night