is this puraatan gatka ie khutka?

[ipledgeblue]

I read in the past that gatka is derived from a performance art practiced by some Muslims called khutka, as opposed to being descended from sastarvidiya. Could this be a form of khutka?

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[VSinghz7]

To track Shastar Vidya's history, we must look at Baba Deep Singh Ji - story is that Guru Nanak Dev Ji taught them and they passed it down to Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji who taught the Sikh Army.

But I think we should abandon these old arts to learn new ones. If Maharaj were here today I think they would tell us to learn the newest weapons, eg to train pistols over gatka. Bhai Dalla gave them a musket as it was the newest weapon back then, and they loved it.

It's cool to research our history but that is not the warrior side of the Khalsa, it is the history. The Sikh warrior culture would be like "Before, Sikhs did gatka. End of... now we train shooting and MMA".

[VSinghz7]

On 5/28/2025 at 3:57 PM, ipledgeblue said:

I read in the past that gatka is derived from a performance art practiced by some Muslims called khutka, as opposed to being descended from sastarvidiya. Could this be a form of khutka?

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but yh probably. Just like how Punjabi dress and food got influenced by Mughal Rule, so did our fighting styles. Guru Sahib used whatever weapons/martial arts were the most modern and effective at the time and this would've been that at the time

[caveman]

On 5/29/2025 at 3:46 PM, VSinghz7 said:

To track Shastar Vidya's history, we must look at Baba Deep Singh Ji - story is that Guru Nanak Dev Ji taught them and they passed it down to Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji who taught the Sikh Army.

But I think we should abandon these old arts to learn new ones. If Maharaj were here today I think they would tell us to learn the newest weapons, eg to train pistols over gatka. Bhai Dalla gave them a musket as it was the newest weapon back then, and they loved it.

It's cool to research our history but that is not the warrior side of the Khalsa, it is the history. The Sikh warrior culture would be like "Before, Sikhs did gatka. End of... now we train shooting and MMA".

Baba deep Singh? You are confused with baba Buddha ji . 

[caveman]

On 5/30/2025 at 5:07 PM, VSinghz7 said:

but yh probably. Just like how Punjabi dress and food got influenced by Mughal Rule, so did our fighting styles. Guru Sahib used whatever weapons/martial arts were the most modern and effective at the time and this would've been that at the time

What are you on about? Abandon ?. You haven't even seen first hand let alone actually practiced Shastar vidiya and you talk about learning foreign malech arts?. You truly are a mughal mlech.

Masters of various masters are learning shastar vidiya and praising it but you'd rather us learn something foreign and inadequate +inferior compared to Sv. 

Shsstar vidiya which has been passed down from guru nanak to baba Buddha ji is a complete system ie arming peasants To breaking/(jumping through)battle formations. The gurus didn't pick from various arts and compile something different as you are referring to.

Moreover the khalsa stratagem of dhai patt(guerilla warfare /two and a half strikes) was not heard of by Mughals and afghans. It's even noted by some qazi from mid 1700s something in the lines of, never chase the Sikhs when they are retreating away as it's a tactic of theirs to turn around when the army chasing the singhs is a far distance away from the main bulk of their army and the Singhs turn their horses around cut them down 

[caveman]

How will krav maga for example teach you how to defend guru granth sahib ji and the gurughar if multiple people entered it to cause harm to Maharajs saroop and Sanagt? How will mma deal with multiple armed and armoured people entering your house for example? 

[caveman]

On 5/28/2025 at 3:57 PM, ipledgeblue said:

I read in the past that gatka is derived from a performance art practiced by some Muslims called khutka, as opposed to being descended from sastarvidiya. Could this be a form of khutka?

https://www.facebook.com/reel/426824127191317

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18neut1wLW/

 

 

 

 

 

[VSinghz7]

On 5/31/2025 at 11:44 PM, caveman said:

Baba deep Singh? You are confused with baba Buddha ji . 

Ohhhh sorry. I forgot my whole argument is fake if I get the names wrong. Yh I meant Baba Buddha Sahib Ji but the point still stands

 And why are you online at 1AM on Sunday lol don't you have work in the morning? Vaileh bethiyaa ghar de vich lol lagta ki tere kohl koi kam nhi haiga

[VSinghz7]

On 6/1/2025 at 1:00 AM, caveman said:

How will krav maga for example teach you how to defend guru granth sahib ji and the gurughar if multiple people entered it to cause harm to Maharajs saroop and Sanagt? How will mma deal with multiple armed and armoured people entering your house for example? 

Would Gun training be better or Nihang shastar vidhya? Exactly.

No amount of Shastar Vidhya is beating a trained man with an Assault Rifle. We're not playing COD lol

[VSinghz7]

On 5/31/2025 at 11:55 PM, caveman said:

What are you on about? Abandon ?. You haven't even seen first hand let alone actually practiced Shastar vidiya and you talk about learning foreign malech arts?. You truly are a mughal mlech.

 

Who tf are u calling Mughal?

Come meet me irl I keep telling you. Don't be scared. The Mughals used to talk big and act small just like you, Singhs weren't scared to fight.

Either come fight in person or stop running your mouth behind a screen. Valentines Park, East London.