musicman

Nothing wrong in supporting India, i went to a match and there were plenty of Singhs proudly supporting India, tshirts, flags, the full works!

Inqlabi LOHRI is a HINDU festival, u have only wirtten half the story behind it, I will finish it off..

YOU said :

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We celebrate Lohri to remember Dulla Bhatti (Muslim) who used to protect girls from muguls -

HERE ARE THE FACTS:

Dullah Bhatti was from a large RAJPUT tribe, full of Hindus and Muslims (consisting of Bhattis and other rajputs).

Dullah Bhatti led an army of Hindus and muslims to rescue Hindu girls that had been kidnaped by Mughals from HISt tribe and were going to be raped and forcefully converted to Islam by Mughals.

To save the honour of his tribe, Dullah Bhatti raised an army of Hindus and Muslims to rescue these young HINDU girls, as he valued what was right over wrong, and the izzat of his tribe.

When he rescued them, he oversaw thier marriages to HINDU men,of the same tribe, and when these women had their first son, they put a red tilak on them, as a mark of being a HINDU, and a rajput warrior who would help defend the tribe, and had a huge celebration where they distributed rodhia, almonds and made saag with makhi di rotti etc and sang tributes to Dullah Bhatti, SO in essence it has NOTHING whatsoever to do with todays sikhs.

Great post, very informative.

I would say from a non-sikhs point of view, that the 1st generation have laid the foundation for upcoming Sikhs as there parents have created businesses which has instilled a sense of entrepreneurship, Pete Virdee is a good example. Generally speaking its a prosperous community.

yeah a minority of hindu radicals..who have weapons, funds, many sympathizers, and partial government support...the same minority who carried out pogroms and genoicde on muslims in gujrat, sikhs in punjab and christians in orissa??...i wouldnt be surprised if it was those goons

All those 3 incidents you have raised were triggered by issues at that time. However in this case because there isn't any reason why this beadbi has occurred or who is behind it, you guys are just doing guess work and blaming anyone.

Funny how the top comments on that video are similar to what you're saying.

"fake videos like this cant hide truth.islam is the problem world over, not just in india. in every country, every civilisation which is in conflict with islam, has become radicalized.

whether it is israel, europe or india !! same with russia !

islam is the problem, not the other way around.

islam has always been the problem.

fake propoganda videos like this don't change that truth,.

montychandra 2 months ago "

Have a read, the truth may or may not set you free. Depends whether you're willing to or not.

http://communities.w...ariah-hindutva/

How the hell is my post similar to those comments you have got off youtube, they are completely different.

Also this "Hinduvta" malarky, it just looks like some lil minority of Hindu radicals in some village in India, are you just jumping on the bandwagon and trying as hard as possible to link it to Sikhs to make it an issue? because that's how it looks like.

*yawn* another baseless excuse at pointing the fingers at the Hindu community. You see a youtube video and then automatically blame them for beadbi, priceless thread.

These kaleh youth in the UK are out of control, no morals and respect for community, punishment of the highest order should be given to the culprits.

Don't bother with the fool honestly. Probably just RSS pay rolled fake.

yeh thats right lay the blame on the RSS, what is the logic in that?

He is not s Radha Swami!

He has his own seperare cult which like most Sadh's prey on the poor, illiterate and troubled. Like most Dereh they are backed by politicians so they control thousands of votes through one Sadh as oppose to door to door with individuals. The Centre promotes this because it fast tracks the process of absorbing Sikhs back into Hinduism. It's a simple formula where only the Signboards change out side these places but the ideology is the same!

lol, the ruling Congress don't care about Hindus, let alone absorbing Sikhs back into Hindus as you claim.

Wow, Sikhs were blaming Hindus for wrong perception on Sikhism in the other thread and then you look at this .. lol

Repeating, current Hindu rulers are more barbaric than Aurangzeb. They have implicitly and forcibly converted Sikhs/Buddhists/Jains/Shudhras etc. all to Hinduism by declaring them as Hindus in their written Consitution not agreeable and acceptable to anybody. This is no less cruel than what Aurangzeb was trying to do, his cruelity was seen openly as it used to result in bloodshed, the current Hindu rulers cruelty is hidden curelty which shows it's real faces every 5-10 years when genocide such as 1984/Babari Masjid/Godhra are openly declared by Hindu rulers.

http://superhindus.w...nathana-dharma/

Your comparing Hindus to the brutality of Auragzeb and the Moughals, this is just insanity !

Yet more Hindu bashing going on here, theres more topics on Hindus then there are of Sikhs on this forum.

The congress part of India seems to be trying very hard to discredit this man.

Yeh because they see him as a big threat. Congress is full of corrupt individuals and they are doing whatever they can do de-stabalize Anna's anti-corruption movement. He has succeeded so far with the introduction of the Lokpal bill.

http://indiatoday.in...y/1/150050.html

Watch the video I posted (I can send more). They provide books that RSS individuals have published that include changing of history and adding pictures of Guru Sahiban with other pictures in an attempt to bring Sikhi into the fold of hinduism, something that will never happen.

RSS has a grip on the BJP party and has a LARGE grip in government.

Thank God for wikileaks, choran da parda khatham hojana, dekkhi challi lol

Yes i know the RSS has a certain influence on BJP.

You do know the bahmans made Ashoka sit below him because he was of a lower caste? If you honestly believe brahmanism/hinduism doesn't try to make the population homogeneous, then you're utterly confused or you have bad intentions.

Sir Max Arthur Macaulliffe who wrote The Sikh Religion and translated the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj to English writes that hinduism is like a serpent that slowly puts its grip around any new dharam and Sikhi is now at risk at being absorbed like hinduism absorbed buddhism.

There's an organized effort right now by the RSS and hinduvita government to wipe out SIkhi from the face of the planet. Even the west through bollywood movies. Your intentions are clear, because this much is very, very obvious.

I suggest you watch this RSS documentary as well:

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Found the direct quote of Sir Max Arthur Macaullife:

"Truly wonderful are the strength and vitality of Hinduism. It is like the boa constrictor of the Indian forests. When a petty enemy appears to worry it, it winds round its opponent, crushes it in its folds, and finally causes it to disappear in its capacious interior. In this way, many centuries ago, Hinduism on its own ground disposed of Budhism, which was largely a Hindu, reformation; in this way, in a prehistoric. period, it absorbed the religion of the Scythian invaders of Northern India; in this way it has converted uneducated Islam in India into a semi-paganism; and in this way it is disposing of the reformed and once hopeful religion of Baba Nanak. Hinduism has embraced Sikhism in its folds; the still comparatively young religion is making a vigorous struggle for life, but its ultimate destruction is, it is apprehended, inevitable without State support. Notwithstanding the Sikh Gurus' powerful denunciation of Brahmans, secular Sikhs now rarely do anything without their assistance. Brahmans help them to be born, help them to wed, help them to die, and help their souls after death to obtain a state of bliss. And Brahmans, with all the deftness of Roman Catholic missionaries in Protestant countries, have partially succeeded in persuading the Sikhs to restore to their niches the images of Devi, the Queen of Heaven, and of the saints and gods of the ancient faith."

Why do sikhs continue to lay blame on the RSS for everything, yes they are a pro-hindu, nationalist organization but has there been any concrete evidence that they are targetting the Sikh religion? or it just a case of lay the blame on them for the sake of it?

Also what 'Hinduvta government' are you reffering to? RSS are not in government, Congress is in government and if anyone is a threat to the Hindu & Sikh faiths, its the ruling Congress.

Misconceptions that sikhs are Hindu's need to be raised & discussed - there is enough Gurbani from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee & Sri Dasam Granth that categorecally hightlight that sikhs are not.

When someone of the Hindu faith sees threads like this:

http://www.sikhsangat.com/Index.php?/topic/62969-about-bhagat-nam-dev-ji-shabad/

http://www.sikhsangat.com/Index.php?/topic/62832-darshan-of-hanuman-ji-to-gursikhs/

http://www.sikhsangat.com/Index.php?/topic/63010-brahm-kavichh/

You can't really blame them for coming up with their own conclusions, which is how these misconceptions arise, its just that Sikhs should be ready to justify whatever is said based on Sikhism teachings.

Sikhs aren't even allowed to have an opinion nowadays!

Musicman, this is a sikh forum...we're having a discussion, if you disagree with anything said, make your points...don't just throw your bottle out of the pram!

As part of my consultancy roled i had to work with a Hindu brother, we got talking and somehow the conversation went onto him praising Inida, anyway i happened to move the discussion onto corruption & poverty in India, he turned round to me and said "Why are you so Anti-Hindu?". He took my points as a direct attack on Hinduism! LOL

Yeh its a sikh forum, but there seems to be a new thread about Hindus everyday, therefore Hindus have every right to engage in the discussions here.

As for your example, clearly your mate is ignorant if he did drift from corruption in India talk to labeling you anti-Hindu, i presume he didn't have any misguided views about Sikhism which is what this thread is basically portraying.

I don't know why Hindus have wrong perception of Sikhi like

1) Before Guru Gobind Singh Ji all Sikhs Guru Sahibs were Hindus.

No they were not Hindus . Guru Nanak Sahib Ji laid down the foundation of Sikhism and all his followers were known as Sikhs . Even at that time new converts have to take Charn Pahul to become Sikhs . After Guru Amar Das Ji all Sikh Guru Sahibs were son of Sikhs not Hindus.

2) Hindus made their first son Sikh to fight Muslims .

No, it were Sikhs the followers of Guru Nanak Sahib Ji made their sons Khalsa to fight Muguls not Muslims .

3) Khalsa is a Panth not Dharam .

Yes Khalsa is a panth but not of Hindu Dharma its a Panth of Sikh dharma .

I don't know any Hindus who have such perception, this is just another negative Hindu thread.

Typical anti hindu rubbish:

http://en.wikipedia....ddhism_in_India

Wheel on Indias flag is of King Asokas chariot, and he became a bhuddist, so go figure.

Yes, spot on!

Pakistan was seen as a Muslim country therefore i wouldn't be suprised that the majority muslim population was threatening the minority Hindus & Sikhs to go to India, as which is happening to this current day were there has been numerous threats of conversion, kidnapping etc. More and more Hindu families have had enough and are crossing the border to India were they are safe.

Hinduveer. stop trying to make sikh-hindu relations...

we've had enough of ur relations.

You've hand enough of Hindu relations?

What an absurd comment.

So what are you saying there are no hindus on benefits? look at the tamils majority live in social housing and get welfare. why u pick on people who come from war torn countries? hopefully their children will get educated and become good respectful citizens.

He has clearly stated in his post that Hindus & Sikhs make up 14% of whom are on housing benefits.

One day the goreh are gonna get so <Edited> off wiv pakistanis and extremist Islam, they r gonna get militant, i just hope they dont take it out on da rest of us

Media persons need to stop generalising asians and painting asians with the same brush, they should be specific in their news reports and mention pakistani's instead of terming them simply asian and in turn dragging all of us in.