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  1. 3 points
    I think that the Panth has reached a stage now where either we allow the SJW and leftist liberals to run amok and drain the Panth of all resources and empower other communities while the Panth descends into the void. It is now a case of survival and not just self interest. Look at Punjab it is fast becoming a lost cause. You only have to read the news from Punjab, 99 negatives occur against one positive. It has come to a stage where even the negatives are used by the SJWs to create more negatives. It is interesting how these SJW will make all sorts of judgements on Sikhs and accuse them to bring about their own ruin. If it's the farmers, the oft repeated lie that farmers borrow to show off while the truth is that farmers either borrow to be able to farm their land or sit at home and die of starvation. But on non-Sikhs it's never their fault and we should be helping them no matter if their situation was self inflicted.
  2. 3 points
    It's true though sikhs have not always been sjw, with hindus they always been mostly ok but with muslims they always been cautious. You can even see biases during sikh raj too. Look how sikhs reacted when M.ranjit singh married a musalmani lol, yet no one cared when he married his Hindu Rajput wives. Despite being a really small population sikhs were quite feared in Punjab, I'm not saying any of this is Sikhi, but for eg the deep countryside used to be patrolled by Sikh dakkus and similar people. You even hear stories from your elders. Though muslims deny it Malangi was a muslim boy whose mum ran away with a sikh man and Malangi was raised as a Sikh and became a notorious feared dakku in the muslim dominated potohar region. It all sounds filmy/bollywood but these were real stories. Some feared sikhs would have influence over several villages. In 1947, Doaba was over 70% muslim the remaining was mainly hindu and then the rest were Sikh. The entire population of Muslims was driven out! You cant be sjw to do something like that! Iv written here b4 how my dads chacha saw the bloodshed with his own eyes, entire rows and rows of muslims leaving our pinds were set on fire! This aunty from Malwa, like they always do, started saying negative stuff about Doabis, she was like oh we protected muslims in our villages and didnt kill them look at Malerkotla, but you Doabis killed so many muslim bla bla bla bla, mate if it wasnt for Doabis killing and driving Muslims out of the region then around 50% of Punjabs population would of been Muslim and we all know how that would of turned out! I even told her how around here zamindhars even knocked their graves and cemeteries down and made it into zameen while the aroras did the same and made their shops on top! She didnt say anything after that! None of this is sikhi! It's the opposite actually! But my point is Sikhs in some parts of Punjab had a very notorious feared reputation they weren't sjw!
  3. 3 points
    Let's be honest here, the Panth is in no condition to carry out any sort of retaliation in Afghanistan or even elsewhere. The only place it could is in Punjab but given that Punjab today is in lockdown and even if it wasn't I don't put any hope in Sikhs there as they have pretty much been turned into mindless SJWs through decades of indoctrination by leftist dhimmis that Sikhs now think that Muslims are their fellow victims of Hindutva and thus Sikhs should be protecting them. The Muslims have played their cards really well, on the one hand they have managed to get funds and resources from moorakhs like Ravi Singh and his joke of an organisation called Khalsa Aid and on the other they have managed to keep the Sikhs in Pakistan oppressed by making their women targets of abduction and forced conversion and the Sikhs in Afghanistan sitting ducks behind walled compounds. Those Shaheeds from yesterdays massacre will not even be able to have a proper Sikh funeral given how even the ordinary Muslims let alone the Taliban and ISIS types will not even allow cremations to take place. What we are seeing in Afghanistan is exactly what Muslims have done throughout the centuries to non-Muslims minorities. They try and keep non-Muslim minorities downtrodden and oppressed but because the Sikh, Jewish and even the Hindu work ethic is vastly superior to the Muslims one then the Muslims who by their religion are taught that they are the best of people and their allah hates non-Muslims and favours his believers then they cannot handle their religious teachings being daily proven wrong when they see Sikhs, Jews and Hindus doing better than the Muslims. To the Muslim, in a Muslim country the non-Muslims should also feel that they are second and third class citizens and below even the most poverty stricken Muslim.
  4. 3 points
    run away to canada, america, india? yup keep running away until there is no where to run away from the islamic virus? no where to run soon. We need to get real as a collective global community. While we are enjoying or burying our heads in the sand with our daily lives in safe countries our brothers and sisters in faith are suffering so much hardship you will not even imagine under the dark satanic shadow of islam bullies and their evil regime. Sikhs do not deserve to exist in this world if we can no help our must vulnerable which have been afghan sikhs for over 20years now. Again shame on all of us for not seeing the pain and cries of afghan sikh mothers, fathers, sons and daughters who are being slaughtered like animals by muslim extremists.
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  6. 3 points
    Bhagat ji doesn't get the recognition that he deserves for his service to humanity imo. A lot of bhagat jis interest in dharam actually came from his mother, who inspired him for the rest of his life. His mother used to teach him to treat humans and animals with the same respect, she taught him to tread carefully so he doesn't step on any ants. She used to give water to travelers and food to wondering yogis and sadhus. Not many know but Bhagat jis father was a Hindu Khatri man while his mother was from a jatt background and because of this she faced a lot of discrimination from his father. Bhagat jis mother used to collect water from the well and give water to thirsty travelers, she was a very beautiful woman and bhagat jis father forcefully abducted her and took her to his house. Bhagat jis father was already a married man. Because Bhagat jis mother was a jatt and a lower caste than his he refused to have any children with her and made her abort 3 times! the 4th time she was expecting she begged Bhagat jis father not to make her abort the child and the father agreed but said because of her status he will never accept the child or consider it his legitimate child, the child was Bhagat Puran Singh ji. Because the father never accepted Bhagat Puran Ji as his own child he never provided Bhagat ji or his mother any financial support. Bhagat jis mother then decided to leave the house with Bhagat ji and start working so she can send Bhagat ji to a boys hostel, she then cleaned peoples dishes for a living. Bhagat ji never was the successful in passing his exams and failed he then returned to his mother. Bhagat jis mother soon died and he became all alone and then started doing sewa and the local gurdwara in Lahore. Bhagat jis mothers teachings and humanity inspired Bhagat ji for the rest of his life. It shows you how important a mothers influence is on a child.
  7. 2 points
    Here is my list of current problems we face as a kaum. Traveling around giving aid / langar to non-sikhs. This thought was put into Sikh psyche as a strategy to destroy Sikhs from within by the enemy who wanted to move Sikhs away from position of strength to weakness. Guru ka langar never went around the world helping non-sikhs like this. Guru Ka langar was based on giving langar to the local sangat community. However was the non-sikh poor masses who came to the Sikhs and gurdwara's to get langar and get parchar to convert to Sikhi that made non-sikhs want to be a Sikh. This current innovation which has been created and run by idiots and is wasting sangats money giving langar away for free with no benefits for the kaum. The biggest gift a Sikh can give to a non-sikh is parchar because by that parchar the Sikh too will have to reform their character to live by what they preach. Not having well armed sewadaar guards of Gurdwara's. Safety and security of guru's house and his congregation should be paramount yet what do we see today? any afghan ahmed abdali, isis salafi muhammad musin, mughal aurangzeb can walk in and kill without any hindrance like we seen recently. What is the fall out? Sikhs will stop coming to gurdwara's and thus gurdwara commitee's lose income and gurdwara shuts down eventually. The non-muslim hating conquest loving isis type jihadi mullah nutjob wins as sikhi is seen as weak and finished eventually because gurdwara's are no longer safe spaces for people wanting to worship and congregate. Sikhs of sarbat da bhulla mindset. Well meaning humanitarian liberal Sikhs but very gullible very politically and religiously naive not understand the full context of meaning of sarabat da bhalla and when to apply it. perhaps most of them have a sort of stockholm sydromme imprisoned by cultures and ideologies that are against Sikh interests and prevent their own community to survive. Fake Sikh puppet leaders. They are only in it for their own power, fame/popularity contest or financial gain (eg recent akal takht jathedhars, sgpc leaders, DT harnaam singh, Badal dal, congressi captain amrinder singh, etc). We need to support leaders who openly fight for the interests of Sikhs without being shy about it. Not having our own sovereign state nation. To conduct our own economic, military, religious and political affairs is the very reason we have so many problems. But its not necessary for the community to survive and thrive if other problems are dealt with. Inter-faith marriages and lack of promotion of inter-caste or inter-race Sikh marriages. Sikhs should activity promote inter-caste marriages within punjabis at the very least and help promote those non-sikhs to convert to Sikhi to marry someone within the faith.
  8. 2 points
    Proactive is spot on about Daswandh. Daswandh can only be used for Sikh related purposes. But if you want to give Daan to non Sikhs that is fine too but not Daswand. Daswand and Daan are two different things. It is unethical for using a word like daswandh for daan
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    You obviously don't understand how debates work. It's not up to me to find something that you have used to defend your stance, it's up to you to find it and post it and with that we can look at the context of why Santji (if he did) built the Mandir. So if Gurmukhs are meant to be going around building the places of worship of non-Sikhs then surely in history you should able to provide thousands if not hundreds of examples, did Bhai Gurdas build non-Sikh places of worship, how about Baba Budha Ji, How about Baba Deep Singh etc. If should also come across countless Guru Ki Maseets and Guru Ka Mandirs in all the towns founded by the Gurus. The rest of your post is just a diversion technique. You want that Sikhs should not be criticising the SJW and leftists of KA but should instead be leaving them alone. Also since you seem to be an expert in bringing historic evidence to back up your points, then tell us how you justify KA's subversion of Langar by taking it to places where there is no Gurdwara or Guru Granth Sahib. Also Daswand was always used for Panthic causes, so why is KA asking for Sikhs to give them Daswand which they know that they give the vast majority 90% to non-Sikhs. Also can Daswand be used to provide a salary to someone like Ravi Singh who is not undertaking a Panthic service and the same goes for the amount of £200,000 a year that is used for all salaries and benefits that KA gives to its employees.
  12. 2 points
    If someone is a simpleton, when it comes to worldly affairs, everybody will try to manipulate them. That is why it important to be aware of human nature. Even 10th Patshahi 52 Bachans instructs the Khalsa to be street wise. Just as Shastar Vidhya is important, so is Neeti vidhyia...
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    Kharku wedding 1992
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  15. 2 points
    This is the response he gives as well because he has no answers to why he is expending the money he collects as Daswandh on non-Sikhs when Sikhs are in need. This response is usual from anyone who is corrupt and who does not want to discuss his views. For myself I do not collect £35,000 a year to manage my own charity. I work for a living and give some to Sikh charities such as British Sikh Council who work with Sikligars and Sikh Relief who I have already mentioned above.
  16. 2 points
    Like with everything else liberal SJW organisation have been subverting Sikhi and Sikh institutions in order to advance their own agenda. Langar was always a part of Pangat which was part of the Sangat - Pangat. Langar was served after the Sangat - the congregation was finished. But Gurdwaras started to serve Langar throughout the day rather than after Sangat which diluted the Pangat aspect of Sikhi. After ALL the congregation had sat as a Sangat then ALL the congregation sat in Pangat and had langar. Now anyone can go into the Gurdwara do matha tek and straightaway go to the langar. This gives the Gurdwara the feel of some kind of drop in centre where people just go for half an hour and within that time they are done matha tek and had langar as well. Perhaps this was something that was needed in the west given the lifestyle we have but still it was an innovation that diluted the aspect of Sangat-Pangat. This was taken further by having event like Langar on university campuses while this gives more exposure of what happens in a Gurdwara but without have a Sangat first these events also affect the concept of Sangat-Pangat. While the changes may have done some damage to the Sangat-Pangat concept the SJW liberal Sikh organisations like Khalsa Aid use or in truth abuse Sikh concepts in order to further their SJW agenda. KA sees nothing wrong in describing food aid they give to places where they are neither in a Gurdwara or have the presence of the Guru Granth Sahib as Langar. This is totally contrary to Sikh teachings yet because not many Sikhs have knowledge of these deeper significance of what langar is, they do not call out KA and those that do are usually quickly shut down by KA and their ignorant followers. Ravi Singh in fact is a person with very thin skin and cannot take even a slight criticism of the way his organisation works. He's quick to block anyone off his social media..lol. In fact most of the comments you will now see are only those which congratulate him on what a great Sikh he is or people who have painted portraits of him! He may have started off with noble intents but today he is no different to the Gurdwara pardhans who are only in that position for self promotion. According to the returns KA sent to the charity commission, KA had £5.5 million in the bank and cash in hand up from about £3 million in 2018. Yet whenever there is a disaster rather than use that money he is quick to put out post begging for more donations. In the lockdown in Punjab he has posted a few videos showing his KA volunteers giving out some rations to various people and based on that his calculations are that he will get many tens of thousands from Sikhs thinking that their donations will be helping Sikhs back in Punjab. Now ask yourself, this Ravi Singh and KA are quick to accuse the SGPC and Gurdwaras of not doing anything for Sikhs. In fact he had a video a few years ago of a former Nihang Sikh who because a Christian because he was not helped by the Sikh organisations when he was in need and the Christian missionaries filled that role. So what is Ravi Singh now doing with £5.5 million in the bank? He is sitting on it while even if he used a half of that money in Punjab it could be a game changer in Punjab. Not only are KA wasting millions of the Panth's money on causes which serve no Panthic benefit apart from promoting him and his organisation and which divert money which could have gone to help Sikhs, but they are also subverting Sikhi. He is quite happy to also subvert concepts like Daswandh which was a monetary collection which was used for the betterment of the Panth into a charity collection to be used where he deems fit. By referring to his charity collections as Daswandh especially when targeting a Sikh audience he knows he will get more because Sikhs have a sentimental attachment to Daswandh which is not the same as he used the word Daan instead.
  17. 2 points
    Philip Schofield started as a Children's TV presenter in the 80's. If anyone old enough remembers Children's BBC. He had his hand up Gordon the Gopher's backside and he was stuck in a closet! After leaving, he went to do Musicals in the West End The signs were all there!!
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  19. 2 points
    I generally agree, but remember, we need to develop a sense of not overwhelmingly romanticising death and self sacrifice as the ultimate ideal. At times it is essential to set an example of bravery and selflessness, BUT if all the souls with morals and strength are taught to give up their lives in a final blaze of glory, the ones remaining behind -- on whose shoulders the process of rebuilding and forging a future and a foundation for better times -- will come to rest, the pool from which those men will emerge will consist of nothing but cowards and the moral relativists who will capitulate and betray the cause by either aligning with the enemy to save their own skins, or simply selling out for their own enrichment. Everyone has a role play particular to their strengths. It's just a shame the best of men are the ones who invariably understand the reason for self sacrifice. I'm not talking about the cowardly Islamic way of self detonating on a crowded bus or at an airport, killing innocents. That's not martyrdom. That's a Satanic blood sacrifice for the Demiurge.
  20. 2 points
    If so, and the rural masses can get their own sons and daughters to work their lands like they used to (instead of relying on out of state labour), it might be a great thing societally for Panjab and Sikhs.
  21. 2 points
    I think alot of well meaning Sikhs have not researched the hidden aspects of Sikh history. If you read much older books written in 19th century you'll find authors have written that Sikhs in history have resorted to forced re-conversions of muslims to become sikhs, whirlwind sacking destruction of anti-sikh area's and generally alot of mayhem for the enemy and if you see the example of what revenge minded Sikhs did in 1947 you will see that punjabi Sikhs can be alot more vicious and crazy than muslims when it comes to war for survival. Sikhi doesnt teach this unlike islam and during times of peace the sikh masses generally are the most docile and pacifistic hippy liberal type of religious humans you can find. But as per human nature when times get hard some Sikhs will act on whats best for them and theirs. Before Sikh raj was established in punjab, the persecuted and oppressed Sikhs would eventually learn to fight back and regularly ambush and raid area's controlled by the enemy. it was because of these conquests and raids on the area's controlled by afghan muslim empire, mughul muslim empire, etc. Only then was Sikh rule able to be establish not nicely nicely approach begging the heartless world governments and doing huge peace marches. Sikhs were able to liberate themselves by adopting the tactics of the enemy by doing revenge attacks so that enemy thought twice taking on the Sikhs. Just knowing they will be fighting Sikhs would send a shiver down the spines of enemies so much so that afghan muslim troops under ahmed shah durrani and his offsping successors would run away from battle when only few decades ago it used to be the reverse.
  22. 2 points
    Totally false analogy. Firstly it's all about resources and your analogy would work if the there were no pressing issues with Sikhs and hence we had resources to expend on non-Sikhs because otherwise these resources would sit unused. But the fact is that we have so many issues in our community which needs not just the resources we have but probably a hundred times more resources to resolve. There is the drugs issue in Punjab, millions of poverty stricken Sikligars outside Punjab, groundwater depletion in Punjab as well as growing cancer menace. Christian missionaries targeting poor Sikhs there as well. Do you want me to list anymore issues? Surely these issues should be the one we should be tackling and not wasting our scares resources setting up langars in Bangladesh for Rohingyas where in fact the western charities and western countries gave tens of millions in aid. Add to this the millions that Muslim countries and Muslim organisations donated. Now ask yourself could the money KA expend in Bangladesh not have been used in Punjab or for Sikhs in the rest of India. Can you tell me of one non-Sikh charity organisation that helps Sikhs in India? With regard to the Anandpur Sahib resolution, yes the ASR helped non-Sikhs in Punjab as well but that is because it would have helped ALL the people of Punjab of which the majority were Sikh. Let's be honest, if it was SJWs like Ravi Singh in charge of drafting the ASR, it would never have seen the light of day because the ASR is totally contrary to KA's SJW philosophy. Why would the Punjabi farmer not want to give water to Haryana and Rajasthan? Isn't that against the Sikh philosophy of Sarbat Da Bhalla.. don't forget KA and Ravi Singh's version of Sarbat Da Bhalla is more like Horran Da Bhalla because Sikhs do not form a part of Sarbat for SJWs like him. Santji helped whosoever approached him, but did put off helping Sikhs who were also suffering by sending his men thousands of miles away to help some non-Sikhs. The CAA excluded Muslims because they have 50 odd Muslims countries where they can apply for asylum but the Sikhs from Afghanistan and Pakistan have only adjacent India to come to. They can apply in western countries but this is getting more and more difficult and involves a dangerous trip across Muslim countries and involves being smuggled into Europe in dangerous circumstances. Every country has a right to decide who they want to let in and want to become citizens. Try getting citizenship in a Muslim country and let us know It is interesting that even after 25 Sikhs have been massacred in inhuman circumstances and a Gurdwara has been desecrated by a Muslim from India you still want to argue that Sikhs are not doing anything wrong in opposing the CAA and Khalsa Aid should still be wasting the Panth's scarce resources on pointless langars for Rohingyas and other non-Sikhs. In fact I would say you have a very closed mind.
  23. 2 points
    i dnt know too much about them i know basic stuff though All the prophets were Hebrews/Jews including Jesus, while Mohammed was Arab, Arabs claim to be descendants of Ismail the 1st son of Abraham. The story of the major Prophets is found in the Torah, which is the 5 books of Moses, the Torah is the first part of the Tanakh, which is the Hebrew bible, all together the Tanakh/Hebrew Bible is made up of several books. With the first 5 (Torah) considered the most important. The Torah which are the 5 books written by Moses records the stories of the prophets from creation and Adam in the Genesis, the first book, to the story of Moses which concludes in the 5th book cnt remember what its called now. After the 5th book of the Torah the story continues through several other book which i dnt know much about but the themes are the same, mainly stories about the Hebrews clashing with other tribes. The main protagonist in these books are minor prophets, kings and judges. The Hebrew bible is often criticized for its violence, treatment of women and morality. So the Bible starts of with god creating Adam, who is banished from the garden into the barren land after he broke Gods command and ate the apple. Once in the wilderness he has 100s of sons and grandsons with his wife Eve! two of his sons Able and Cane fight and one kills the other, the first murder. Adams descendants then spread the globe but are sinners so God decides to wipe them out with a massive flood. Noah is told to build an ark and save himself, his family and the animals bla bla bla and all the descendants of Adam are killed in the flood. So they believe that present humans are the descendant of Noah. Noah was a drunk and loved drinking wine. Noah was once drunk and sleeping and his cloth blew off and his genitals were exposed, one of his sons started looking and did stuff, the bible doesn't explain what the son did, but Noah wakes up and curses his son for doing what he did. Fast story forward, Abraham comes along. Abraham is told by God that he has a "promised land" which will be inhabited by Abrahams descendants. This same "promised land" is what the whole Israel conflict is about today. You can say this is where the tribal behavior of "muslim nations/land" "jewish land" stems off from, you can see similar notions in the creation of Pakistan as a muslim nation. But anyway Abraham then marches his people to this "Promised land" which is believed to be modern day Israel. The land was not productive and fights started breaking up between the Hebrews and Abrahams Nephew Lot decided to dump Abraham and move to Sodom with his wife and daughters. Meanwhile Abrhams wife Sarah was getting impatient because she couldn't have children. Abraham is then told by the God that he is gnna blow up the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah because the inhabitants are committing sexual sins and the men are gays. Abraham then tells God that his Nephew Lot lives in the city. God then sends his angels to save Lot and his family, as Lot is the only "righteous" man in the city. What follows is one of the most disturbing scenarios in the Bible. So while the angels walk through the city to Lots house to save him b4 God blows the city up, the gay horny men of the city decide to rape the angels. The angels then go into Lots house. The gays then start demanding Lot to hand the angels over so they can rape them. Lot then opens the door and hands his two DAUGHTERS to the men and tells them they are virgins and can have them instead!! Luckily for the young lasses the men were gays. Anyway the Angels then blind the gays and escape the city with Lot and his family, god then blows the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah up with fire. What follows next is also very disturbing. After the escape Lots daughter decide to have sex with their father, so they drunken him up and have sex with him one after the other and end up pregnant. After this episode, Abrahams wife is still childless and tells Abraham to have sex with her Egyptian slave girl Haggar instead. Abraham then has sex with Haggar and she gives birth to a son named Ismail, years later Sarah eventually gets pregnant and has a son named Isaac. Sarah then tells Abraham to banish Haggar and her son Ismail into the wilderness which is what Abraham does. Arabs claim to be descendants of Ismail and Muhammed is also a descendant of Ismail. God then tests Abrahams faith and tells him to sacrifice his son Isaac, just b4 Abraham was to cut Isaacs heads off God replaces Isaac with a lamb. This is where the jewish and islamic traditions of animal sacrifice come from. This story is what inspired the muslim fasting and Eid festival. Abrahams son Isaac had two sons Jacob and Esau, Jacob had 12 sons including Joseph. Joseph ended up in Egypt where he was popular among the Pharaoh. Joseph then invited the Hebrews to Egypt for better opportunity. The old Pharaoh died and his son was not nice to the Hebrews and decided to make them into slaves and get them to build the pyramids, palaces etc Fast story forward, God then chooses Moses to free his people from Egyptian slavery and take them back to the "promised land" The Pharaoh refuses and then God decides to send the 10 plagues onto the Egyptians. The most barbaric being God kills every first born son of the Egyptians. Would Waheguru ji do that? After this the Pharaoh decides to free the Hebrews and let them go so Moses along with Joshua guide the Hebrews out of Egypt and towards the "promised land" The Pharaoh changes his mind and starts chasing after the Hebrews along with his army. The Hebrews reach a dead end, the red sea. God then parts the red sea and the Hebrews walk through it reaching the shore on the other side, the sea then closes up on the Pharaoh and Egyptians chasing them and the Pharaoh and his army drown. Moses then climbs mount Sinai and receives the 10 commandments from God, these commandments form the foundation of the 3 Abrahamic faiths. Once Moses comes down the mountain after 40 days with the 10 commandments carved in stone he see's the Hebrews dancing around and worshiping a idol of a golden calf. Moses breaks the stone and orders the killing of his own people, this: Exodus 32:25-28 (NASB)Now when Moses saw that the people were out of control—for Aaron had let them get out of control to be a derision among their enemies—then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, “Whoever is for the LORD, come to me!” And all the sons of Levi gathered together to him. He said to them, “Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, ‘Every man of you put his sword upon his thigh, and go back and forth from gate to gate in the camp, and kill every man his brother, and every man his friend, and every man his neighbor.’ ” So the sons of Levi did as Moses instructed, and about three thousand men of the people fell that day. Now you tell me would our beloved Guru ji order the murder of his own Sikhs even if they have rejected his Dharam? After this incident Moses and Joshua guiding the Hebrews walk around the Judean desert for 40s yrs looking for the "promised land" till they reach the borders of the land. Moses died b4 he can enter and Joshua takes over. The Hebrews had been slaves in Egypt for 100s of years and in the meantime and Canaanites had settled in what is the promised land of the Hebrews. God then orders Joshua and the Hebrews to carry out and genocide on the Canaanites: 17 but vyou shall devote them to complete destruction,1 the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded, 17 And the city and all that is within it shall be ndevoted to the Lord for destruction.2 Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live, because she ohid the messengers whom we sent. After this genocide and destruction the Hebrews move into the city and settle down. This Theme of God ordering Genocide is quite repetitive in the Hebrew bible: Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ – 1 Reigns (1 Samuel) 15:2-3[1] They warred against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every male…And the people of Israel took captive the women of Midian and their little ones, and they took as plunder all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods. All their cities in the places where they lived, and all their encampments, they burned with fire, and took all the spoil and all the plunder, both of man and of beast…Moses said to them, “Have you let all the women live? Behold, these, on Balaam’s advice, caused the people of Israel to act treacherously against the Lord in the incident of Peor, and so the plague came among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves. – Numbers 31:7,9-11,15-18 This Theme of God ordering the genocide of other tribes, ordering the plunder, and the rape and kidnapping of females from the other tribes continues into the Islamic scriptures. Muhammed did the exact same thing! he ordered the murder of various Jewish tribes and also permitted his followers to keep the women of these tribes. The Quran refers to these women as "what your right hand posses" Muhammed himself had a Christian Coptic girl which Allah permitted him to have sex with. Muhammeds clashes and murder of these Jewish tribes can be found in the Quran and Hadiths. You can see where the Muslims get all these things from. The idea of slaughtering people who do not belong to your tribe and plundering their wealth, started of with the God of the Hebrew Bible ordering it, these same ideas trickled down into the Islamic scriptures. And you see Muslims doing the exact same thing today. As for Christians, the Hebrew Bible is what they call the old testament, while the Gospels, which record the life of Jesus are what they call the New Testament. The Gospels are quite peaceful from what i know. Jesus claimed to be the Messiah, the Jews rejected this claim and demanded the Romans to crucify him. Later the Muslims came. Quran claims that the Jews and Christians have altered the message of God in the Torah and Gosepls and that the Quran is the direct unaltered word of God. Muslims believe in the Hebrew prophets but believe the Jews altered the stories in the Torah. What these Muslims are doing to non muslims is no different to the stories you can find in the Abrahamic scriptures. The murdering, plundering and abduction of of others women.
  24. 2 points
    At this time of global crisis sikhs need to look out for each other ensure we only help fellow Sikhs first especially those vulnerable elderly, disabled, single mothers with young kids. Alot of Sikhs are self employed so will be out of work with not much work and income coming in the government is not gonna do much for them so will be in real financial troubles we need to ensure they get looked after with langar meals somehow and the most desperate are able to get donations to keep them going until this pandemic has passed. Dont give any of your sewa or donations to Khalsa Aid or other rogue charities where they dont exclusively only help fellow Sikhs
  25. 2 points
    The problem with Islam is that it is not really a religion but a political system that pretends be a religion. Like a lot of political systems, it needs an external enemy to focus on. It just needs an enemy period.
  26. 2 points
    then is no one supposed to discuss the corruption within that community on this forum then? you do realize they are actively involved in heroin drug circuits in this country? drug that come into this country from afghanistan which is one of the biggest heroine producers in the world. their involvement in the drug business in this country is as active as the paki involvement if everyone else can be bashed on this forum for alcoholism, wife beating, corruption, demoralization, and that is what everyone always talks about on this forum all the time, then why cant we bash them for their corruption? and you do know that many afghan sikhs themselves are aware of the fraud and corruption in their community and how they find loop holes in the system. as for jealously i hope you do realize which jaat most of their customers belong to in places like southall! and which jaat most the sangat belongs to in their colossal gurdware like guru maneyo granth in slough ! everyone is a victim of something till they reach the shores of this country. once again another big fat overreaction from you
  27. 2 points
    the 1st time we went hazur sahib i was 11 yrs old and being the brat i was i started whining that i wanna see the taj mahal! so on our way back we stopped in agra and saw it. on our way back to punjab we rang our nani and she told us we ruined our dharshan of hazur sahib and should all start doing waheguru simran in the van.
  28. 2 points
    There's only one book to read in a crisis such as the one we're currently experiencing:
  29. 2 points
    try suggesting tarkhans in the pind to marry their daughters to chamars and see what their reaction is LOL it aint gnna be a pleasant one i tell you that, they definitely wont be making you the bachola her in laws playing a role in the murder was one of the main theories. Having your daughter-inlaw run away with another man to sing on stage that too with a chamar aint considered some small thing in Punjab lol especially punjab in the 80s/90s the amount of shame they faced must of been and probably still is unbearable. And from what iv heard her inlaws were quite influential which would of made it even worse for them. As for other singers getting to kill him. Competition was a big thing. One of his biggest rivals was mohd sadiq and ranjit kaur who by that time were much older but still popular in the 80s. Ranjit kaur had apparently lost her voice, which she did, becoz some1 spiked her drink and it messed her throat up and she could no longer sing mohd sadiq eventually dumped her. Stuff like this was quite common among singers. Singer used to get booked, chamkila was the most booked singer in punjab at the time. Most others singers were pretty much out of work because of him. Punjab in the 70s/80s was very feudal like A lot of these singers were involved in performing for policemen and politicians aswell. Things used to get political. Singers were used at political rallies depending on the police officers present in the audience and the party they supported . The stage was used for all sorts of things
  30. 2 points
    Good that you came to that conclusion. There are plenty of names even in the West which mean different things, even sexual things. For example, John in slang means the client of a prostitute. And Di - ck means the sexual organ of a man. Randy means sexually inclined. And so on. So the fact that Arshdeep could rhyme with some naughty combination of words should mean nothing. Be strong.
  31. 2 points
    I think Rehit Maryada says we only should eat food prepared ourselves or by other Gurmukhs
  32. 1 point
  33. 1 point
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  34. 1 point
    Thank Singh ! I found this while searching for articles on “Sikh+Cleanliness”. After using synonym for cleanliness ie Sikh+sanitisation, google came up with this
  35. 1 point
    He's brave to just go down there on his own. I'd want a crew with me for something like that. lol
  36. 1 point
    I think GurjantGnostic seems obsessed with me. Never mind. I think that KA is the more well known charity and gets the most publicity. If he focuses on Non Sikhs then the more publicity he gets. The bigger these charities get, the less they actually help the people they claim to be helping. It becomes more about sustaining the people that work for the charity (they are also tax free) I have seen Oxfam's swanky head office and it makes you question their motives. The question for us is to focus on charities that are smaller, Sikhi focus (they may get less publicity as it only deals with Sikhs) where they can be transparent, accountable and where our donations can show that it is adds value to the people who they proclaim need it and not the people who work for it.
  37. 1 point
    Fighting back was the right thing to do in 47. The gurdwara in my dads pind has ithiaas written inside it and it says how in 47 muslims from the neighbouring pinds came to plunder our pind and to rape the women, so people were obviously gnna fight back and kill! Though most of them were driven out we still have a few pinds which are still mainly muslim.
  38. 1 point
    Yea no one’s journey is “safe” and without bumps. I guess we have to make the best out of it. and youll be fine, we never know where well be taken karam/kismet wise so we cant worry about that. Maybe now is not the right time for marriage and the future is. Maharaj will set it up when its time
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  40. 1 point
    absolutely! she was right! well it was my idea lmao i was only 11 and wanted to see it lol i started whining that i wanna see it.
  41. 1 point
    yeah I think our sikhs are still not getting it. The islamic salafi isis coronavirus will eventually reach india and punjab they already had a taste of it in pathankot few years ago. The akal takht jatheder must order military attacks in afghanistan or at the very least ready Sikhs for a military response train them like the RSS/bajrang dal for a coming conflict. Because those who see us as an enemy have already done 2 big attacks on our community in afganistan and sikhs didnt reply. as the old poem goes.................... First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews (and in our case .....afghan Sikhs) And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew (and in our case .....a afghan Sikh) Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me
  42. 1 point
    only if you don't take the medicine: mera vaid Gur Gobinda Har Har naam de aukudh mukh devai kaate jam ki phanda
  43. 1 point
    This makes sense, it seems hard for me to get my head around that we have power but ultimately we have no power. My manmukh mind...
  44. 1 point
    And they're probably lmao at our sianay for this too. lol
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  46. 1 point
    Because there is no us either. It is waheguru himself who pays for the consequences as well. He goes to hell too. Remember our soul is of similar essence as that of the Ultimate soul, waheguru. The play is bigger than we imagined. Waheguru is both the puppet,controller and audience. Essentially created a world/playground then divided himself and made himself forget who he is and believe in a new identity. Thats why the goal of the sikh is to discover the atma and then Parmatma and then merge. Basically we have to undo the game and discover reality, that all is One.
  47. 1 point
    Many of today's criminals commit crime out of pure necessity. Ie to feed a drug habit. Hence these people are prepared to do anything to get their next fix. This includes extreme violence. Gun point bank robberies, stabbings assaults.You name it, to get money that will get them their next drug or alcohol. Many are simply out of their minds and don't know what their doing. It's well known that a high proportion of crimes are committed under the influence. Many criminals are career ones. These people have no hope of getting a 9 to 5 job and living a stable life. Their only means of income is crime. They have nothing to lose in life. So live a violent and precarious life. Getting attacked commiting henuous crimes and going to prison is a way of life for them. Many come from broken home. They have no heart or soul. This kind of violence and aggression should not be mistaken for courage or being admired. They are low life people with no morals.
  48. 1 point
    Let's send langar to the perpetrators. Perhaps if the daal and sabzi are tasty enough they'll think twice about doing this to somebody else.
  49. 1 point
    I'm not amritdhari I had something similar and I just got it surgically removed I'm circumcised It wasnt painful but was tight and wouldn't fully retract which I didnt like.
  50. 1 point
    ok ji, Firstly let's just clarify a little here.......... 1) Guru Nank ji never called himself a guru and neither is he saying that shiv, vishnu , brahma, laxmi, parvati are the same as him. let's look at the few previous and corresponding lines with the one you are referring to and I will show a little of my understanding which maybe right or maybe wrong- but either way, i think it has has a little positive impact on my development in sikhi. ਗਾਵੀਐ ਸੁਣੀਐ ਮਨਿ ਰਖੀਐ ਭਾਉ ॥ Gāvī▫ai suṇī▫ai man rakẖī▫ai bẖā▫o. Sing, and listen, and let your mind be filled with love. (Gaviai is to Sing the praises, jap the naam but listen to what ??.....then the following lines go on to explain...) ਦੁਖੁ ਪਰਹਰਿ ਸੁਖੁ ਘਰਿ ਲੈ ਜਾਇ ॥ Ḏukẖ parhar sukẖ gẖar lai jā▫e. Your pain shall be sent far away, and peace shall come to your home. ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਵੇਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਈ ॥ Gurmukẖ nāḏaʼn gurmukẖ veḏaʼn gurmukẖ rahi▫ā samā▫ī. The Guru's Word is the Sound-current of the Naad; the Guru's Word is the Wisdom of the Vedas; the Guru's Word is all-pervading. (Gurmukh is Guru's Mukh(mouth), therefore the word that comes from that is the sound current of the naad)..this sound-current is NOT just a sound that you listen to (suniye)....it is also something that can give you all the wisdom of the vedas. ਗੁਰੁ ਈਸਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਰਖੁ ਬਰਮਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬਤੀ ਮਾਈ ॥ Gur īsar gur gorakẖ barmā gur pārbaṯī mā▫ī. The Guru is Shiva, the Guru is Vishnu and Brahma; the Guru is Paarvati and Lakhshmi. 'ms514' has very nicely explained the triad of Guru being the creator, sustainer and destroyer in ref to this line. ਜੇ ਹਉ ਜਾਣਾ ਆਖਾ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਹਣਾ ਕਥਨੁ ਨ ਜਾਈ ॥ Je ha▫o jāṇā ākẖā nāhī kahṇā kathan na jā▫ī. Even knowing God, I cannot describe Him; He cannot be described in words. So, we should be able to see that these references are incorporated to get the message across to us manmukhs. These question have to be raised and upcoming younger sikhs shouldn't shy away from clearing doubts.......Not so long ago, i came across a young sikh that would attend mandir every tuesday and give x amount of donation. .. in all honesty, I have no problem or am not against anyone going to church, mandir or whatever.....BUT it's the actual intention that really matters....so when I asked him what his purpose or intention was..?..then he told because he asks for his monetary wealth and good income to keep flowing !!!!.... I didn't even bother asking which murti he makes the offering to.... but then in reply to my raised and wondering eyebrows, he very confidently said that ''All the hindu deities are all in the guru granth sahib and we should respect them'' !!! You see, it's these kind of blind faith and manmat issues that sneak in amongst us that we need to address in simplistic explanations because a lot of the younger youth don't fancy sitting and learning via a few hours katha..etc..

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