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  1. 16 points
    Gurfateh Sangat ji, We see large number of new membership trying to join our forums and we are not approving those new members who are coming from India. Some of them are non-punjabi names or email ids and we are rejecting all those memberships for the past few weeks. We do not know if they are genuine or some troll for anti-farmers group. For the past 5 years or so, we approve members manually; which is a daunting process but we want the quality in. With recent anti-humanity GOI and their goons trying to use good platforms to spread their agenda or propaganda. For that possible reasons, we are not approving anyone joining our forum from India. If you are genuine person who wants to join the forum then please email us sikhsangat@live.com Stay in Chardikala
  2. 9 points
    Waheguru ji ka Khalsa , Waheguru ji ki Fateh , firstly what you are doing is throwing out sikh culture and gurmat for some supposed 'modern' and WISER ???? way , in some mistaken impression you know what Guru ji meant better than he did. If you are happy and grateful for being a sikh on the long line of sacrificing sikhs upon whose bodies you stand then it should not be US the descendents, telling the GURU that 'we know better than you' and altering his given ways to bless you both as a Couple. If you look at the history of the Lavaan it has ZERO to do with Vedic resams as we are dedicating ourselves to Guru ji and making Guru ji our support and centre of our lives (that is why we travel around giving respect, equidistant to the Guru , neither partner becoming a blockage to personal relationship to Guru ji) . If your guy is walking ahead of you it is showing that he will protect and shield you from the unknown harms that could come your way in life as Guru ji has told him to do, so actually it is giving him space to show how much he cares and honours you in sharing your life with him . It is not saying you are lesser in any way so please stop listening to frankly uneducated 'modern' sikhs , as Kaurs are supposed to be supportive and ready step into the breach if life takes out the Singh and protect the future of the panth. The First Anand Karaj was when Guru Amar Das ji Married his own Daughter Bibi Bhani ji to Guru Ram Das ji , did he insist that his daughter walk in front or side by side to Guru Ram Das Ji ? No , he could have done knowing just how blessed and holy she was , daughter to a Guru, Wife of a Guru, Mother of a Guru and GRandmother of the Next Guru also . Was she treated as lesser by anyone ? No , so please leave western ideas of 'equality' and understand Sikh ideas of equality they are much deeper and more expressive then simple minded kneejerk swaps as in western thinking. Yes you are right societal thinking has got you in a tizz but it is not Sikhi but your interpretations of it via the messed up western model which fails to see beauty in the chivalry of promising to protect but sees it as a belittling of the female (how messed up is that? so daughters shouldn't look up to their dads and brothers if they look after them but should be angry) . Guru ji commanded that his sikhs should never ask for daaj or harass the girl's family with demands if they did they are not his sikhs. The bharat was only supposed to be as big as the female's family could host without stressing them . A Sikh was never allowed to cuss out or strike women did this mean Guru ji thought of women as weak flower or was it he wanted society to change their attitude and show just as much love and respect to the girl's family as the boy's family got ? This is the equality he wanted that daughters were married into homes with these attitudes intact not the transactional attitudes that existed in societies dominated by the other faiths. Unfortunately, in your speech I have seen that crass transactional attitude with regards to the raagis , if you are serious about sikhi and doing your life the sikh way , cultivate humbleness because you are begging Guru ji to bless your future together and his Granthi and sewaks will follow Him not you . If you don't want to pay for a particular jathebandi then just get the gurdwara sewak team to do it and donate the difference to the homeless or poor. Raagi jathe following Akal Takht maryada and Guru ji's hukham so do not expect them to answer yes to your folks strange ideas because those ideas are insulting the maryada of Anand Karaj and Guru ji Themself. They know the sikh follows the Guru not the other way around .
  3. 8 points
    You're marrying the love of your life (supposedly), and you're more worried about whether if you're walking behind, beside or in front of him. Rather than booking the nearest wedding date available in great anticipation, to get married to person you love, you're delaying the process because of your insecurities. I suggest you go back to basics and ask yourself, what does this person mean to you? why are you marrying him? and why Anand Karaj? and what is your priority in this relationship? Its not too late to reconsider, modern Sikh marriages suggest that marriage isn't for everyone. As for why the bride walks behind the groom, then that is because your father will pass your husbands pala into your hands. This symbolises that your father is now passing you onto your husband and that you are now a part of your husbands family. The grooms father does not pass the brides chunni into the grooms hand, it is the brides father that passes the grooms pala into his daughters hand. Your sons will also be a part of your husbands family and take their fathers name. Just how Guru Gobind Singh ji narrates the history of his family, the Sodhi clan, the clan of his father Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji. Just how Guru Nanak Dev ji is described as being born into the Bedi clan, the clan of his father Mehta Kalu. Just how Bhai Santokh Singh ji describes that when Guru Nanak Dev ji is born the BEDI ladies(aunts) come around to see Baby Guru Nanak. Guru Gobind Singh ji's hukkam is that a Sikh man should get his daughter married into a house where Sikhi is practiced, why ? because its the bride that is marrying into the grooms family, hence a father should choose a home for his daughter where Sikhi is practiced. Just like that the father of the bride passes the grooms pala into the brides hand, symbolising that she is now a part of the grooms family and their kids will also be part of the grooms family. We have been getting married like that for centuries, its our tradition. If you don't like it, then like others have suggested you can have a registry marriage. @jkvlondon would you like to give this bibi some advise?
  4. 8 points
    Thank you, for helping reduce my anger levels.
  5. 8 points
  6. 7 points
    We are Sikhs not Cultural Marxists. If you have it the traditional you are both equally distant from Maharaj. If you have both people level then one is going to be further away. You adapt to Sikhi, Sikhi should not have to adapt to your whimsical ways. If you want a western ceremony, I suggest you have a registry marriage. Simples
  7. 7 points
    Cannabis comes in 2 forms: hemp and marijuana Both these forms r a gift of God. Shaheedi degh is the best medicine in the world.
  8. 7 points
    I am laughing because someone downvoted because they can't accept the true words of Sant Ji.
  9. 7 points
    This is amazing. Just finished this. It's gonna trigger some people but what needs to be said needs to be said.
  10. 7 points
    Very honest video and discussion, its refreshing for a change. Only got uploaded an hour ago, I think Sikh feminists and Sikh fem-men will get very upset with it. It's good they got a Sikh woman to talk about it, and allowing a man to have a say as well.
  11. 7 points
    To any brothers and sisters on Twitter who have the time to do so, screenshot every single genocide-and-rape threatening Tweet made by these BJP / RSS supporters, and compile them into one single image / document. In the middle, scaled slightly bigger than the other Tweets, place Kangana Ranaut's Tweet that encourages genocide and destruction of Sikhs. When these people claim India has never been hostile towards Sikhs and that our claims of them attempting to wipe us out are fantasies, present this particular document that lays bare their true depraved and bloodthirsty cravings. This is how you play the propaganda war. But be quick incase they delete their Tweets and claim innocence.
  12. 7 points
    His depiction of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj really caught my eye as well. Really talented Singh.
  13. 7 points
    Jatinder Singh Durhailay makes some nice art as well.
  14. 7 points
    Good move, I dont want to see posts about bobs and vagene.
  15. 6 points
    Part 1 I have started reading my english tika by Sant ji and it is very deep. I will quote some parts I really liked. The Importance of Japji Sahib Kavi Santhok Singh Ji says about Japji Sahib In the way a rice husk is useless without a grain of rice, a Sikh is useless without having memorized Japji Sahib. Guru Nanak Dev Ji says to Guru Angad Dev Ji those who recite Japji Sahib with their heart will gain a seat close to me. Guru Ji also says The individual who forgets Jap Ji knowing it divinity is commiting sucide by jumping into the lowest pits of hell When Guru Tegh Bhadur was going to acced to sachkhand he recited Japji Sahib and his head came off even before he was executed. I have not told all the stories as I want to focus on the main katha. Japji Sahib Katha An Introduction One time a Sikh asked Guru Gobind Singh Ji what type of an avtar is Guru Nanak. According to the Hindu belief there are 6 types of avtars they are the following Ansa Avtar An avtar who is a Dharmic Raja. Avesha Avtar An avtar to give darshan to his devotees. Nit Avtar God as a Sant or Mahapurkh Namitak Avtar Avtars like Narsingh and Bawan who came to protect Vahgurus Bhagats Puran Avtar An Avtar whohas 16 divine attributes and characteristics (Only Krishna) Puran Tam Avtar Is only the Guru Sahibs as the Guru needed no teacher to teach them. According to Bhindran Sampardama They are the following Ansa Avtar A Dharm Raja like Manu Avesha Avtar An Avtar not born with powers but through meditation gains them. Example is Parasram(Parasram means Ram with an axe. He destroyed corrupt kings and destroyed ego. Kalka Avtar An avtar who has some powers and has only one thing to do. Example Mach avtar who used 2 of the 16 powers to save the Vedas Nit Avtar An avtar as a Sant or Bahgat Namit Avtar An avtar that disappears after doing his one task. Example Narsingh avtar. Puran Avtar Ram and Krishna. Ran had 14 powers while Krishna had all 16 Tye 16 qualities are the following Knowledge, Attention, Virtiuous Acts, Persistence, Moderation, Righteousness, Charity, Skill, Meditation, Loving acts, contol over lust, Spiritualism, mecy, Solemn Promise, intelligence and a Clear Mind The 16 powers are Earth, water, fire, wind, sky, Vital air for breathing, organs, name of god, actions, faith, place in society, devotion, Incantation, deaire, semen and physique The the sangat asked is Guru Nanak a Puran avtar or not. Guru Gobind Singh Ji said Guru Nanak Was Greater then a Puran avtar To be countined... Adimn or Mod could you please sticky this also will add more to the importance of Japji Sahib section Later.
  16. 6 points
    Don't need to watch the whole video to realise this daktar karminder phd boston is a stain on Gurmat. There are many mentions of sakhis in it. Not with a beginning, middle or end in the conventional sense but there are many sakhis which have some mention in Guru Granth Sahib. If you had read my post (lengthy as it is) then you would have seen for yourself that Bhai Sunder, writes the last days of Guru Sahib as if it were a sakhi. Then why would Guru Sahibuse the names of the Siddhs asking him questions and then responding to them, when Guru Sahib could just have written a shabad to explain evertthing. Only those with an agenda define stories as "made up." Historical events are not known as sakhis - they are known as itihaas. Sakhis are all about the Guru Sahibs and their teachings, and how those teachings actually came about. Great for you then. Tell us how and why Sikhs began to have "Singh/Kaur" in their names. Seen the film. Possibly, but enemies of Gurmat don't really deserve better.
  17. 6 points
    No, it's just a really dear friend...
  18. 6 points
    Sorry Sangat Ji for the delays but here it is Part 4 Creation of Japji Sahib One day while Guru Nanak Dev Ji was at Kartarpur Bhai Lehnna Ji who would be Guru Angad. Mahraj did seva of the sangat. They asked him four questions. Those were 1. What path does your religion take 2. What is the mantra you use for the name of God 3. What is your Mool Mantar 4. What is your Mala Mantra To the first one Mahraj said there faith focused on the worship of Vahguru. To the second he said we use the name Vahguru. (Fun fact Maha Sant and Sarbloh Bani says that Vava comes from Brahma who created the Mantar of Vasnudev. Haha from Manu Raja (Son of Brahma) He gave the Mantar of HarHar. Gaga from Rishi Vyas who gave the mantar of Govind and lastly Rara from Shankaracharya who gave the mantar of Ram. Then Guru Nanak came and gave the ultimate Vahguru Mantar) Bhai Lehna did not know the answer to 3 and 4 so he asked Guru Nanak. To 3 Guru Ji says that the roots of the Mool Mantar are from Vahguru. And finally Guru Ji says our Mala Mantra is Japji Sahib which is mostaly conversations with the holy men. (Sidhs) Katha Basic Translation Ik = One with no equals Oankar = Gives Gian(Knowledge) There is one Vahgir who Gives Gian and no one is even near the leval of Vahguru Sat = indestructible God cannot be destroyed Nam = well known The name of God is well known. Karta = Creator of all God created everything including the universe Purkh = complete God is complete Nirbhou = no fear God is fearless Nirvair = No enmity God is without enmity Akal = immortal God does not fall into death Murat = form The form of God is immortal Ajuni = exempt from transmigration God is exempt from transmigration Sai Bhan = Self enlightened God is self enlightened Gur = Perceptive and conscious God is the form of perceptive and conscious being Parsad = Supreme Bliss God is the form of Supreme bliss Jap = referring to the name of the path Originally called Jap Sahib or Jap Nisan Aad = Primal beginning Sach = truth God was true at the start before creation Jugad = Numerous ages Sach = Truth God has been true through the 4 jugs and the jugs before Hai bhi = still is Sach = Truth God is still true right now Nanak = Guru Nanak says Hosi Bhi = in the future Sach = truth Guru Nanak says God in the future will remain true and the form of truth Deep definition 1 Guru Nanak on their travels to save the world from Kaljug went to Mount Sumer. Where he meet 84 Sidhs and there leader Gorakh Nath. The Sidhs asked Guru Ji what power brought him here. Guru Nanak said "O, Sidhs. I have come here with the strength of the almighty lord who is known as Ik Oankar." The Sidhs said "According to teh Vedas the name of God is Aum. Why have you used Ik Oankar." Guru Nanak said Aum stands for the trinity. Each of whom represent attribute of Maya. Which are Passion, truth and darkness. They represent illusion. Due to this we have created Ik Oankar. The numral 1 to show there is one God who has no equals. We have wrriten this due to there being 63 different terms for Oankar which cause contoversy in Hinduism. There are 3 different forms of God givien each with the form of the trinity, which become nine. There a 7 different knowledgeable people who have each given nine forms. That makes the total 63. (Sorry if the above was confusing) They are 1. The first theory called the Hirangarb, which is created by Brahma. The names and forms of Oankar are Trimatra Rup Tribrahm Rup and Triakhar Rup (Tri for the trinity) 2. Kapal Muni says the names are Trigian Rup Trigun Rup Trikaran Rup 3. Aptar Muni says they are Trimukh Rup Tridevta Rup and Tripyarojan Rup 4. The order of Sanat Kumara are Trikal Rup Triling Rup and Trisangya Rup 5. Brahmnishant state the form are Tristhan Rup Tripad Rup and Tripragya Rup 6. The order of Shiva is Trai Avashta Rup Trai Bhog Rup and Trai Bhogata Rup 7. The order of Vaishnav's and Narad Muni is Triatama Rup Tri Subhav Rup and finalky Tribyhu Rup. This is why Guru Nanak put a Ik as all had three showing duality. The Christians believe God in three forms Holy Sprit, The father and The son Muslims belive God in two forms which are God and the Prophet. To be countined... Sorry if this one is short
  19. 6 points
  20. 6 points
    Well-done for taking the initiative.
  21. 6 points
    Props to this man Immortal Technique. He's been supporting us for a while and educated himself on Operation Bluestar and the whole 80s-90s fake encounters.
  22. 6 points
    Forgot to say but forgive me for any mistakes they are all my fault.
  23. 5 points
    I really am making a conscious effort to adjust my frame of mind so that I'm not viewing reality from a purely masculine and patriarchal perspective, but reading 5hit like this hammers home the absolute futility of it all. We know what she's going to come back with: "Sikhi is outdated / sexist / patriarchal / anti-female" and we're all pendu b**tards who wants to ruin her special day.
  24. 5 points
    Phone up the various Sikh charity organizations. Tell them you're a Muslim who's being disturbed by his Sikh neighbours who won't stop blasting kirtan. If they seem hesitant to help, say the magic L word. Tell them you need some LANGAR. There'll be trucks, TV cameras, and all sorts outside your B&B as quick as a flash.
  25. 5 points
    So there are individuals willing to conduct such a ceremony, but you don't want to pay their rates? Do you not feel the actual religious or spiritual method by which you are enjoined to your partner is worth the financial outlay? So, the problem isn't "Sikh society" but your frugality, because if the issue truly lay with these backwards Sikhs, you'd be unable to find even one individual willing to conduct whatever abominable concoction of religiosity you deem to be en vogue in the current year. As for the rights and wrongs of the ceremony itself I guess it's a matter of tradition. If the ceremony itself is deemed to be so objectionable, I'd find another spiritual framework to latch onto for your wedding aesthetic. If I was in your position and so certain of my convictions, I would reject the Anand Karaj on principle, and instead conduct a secular ceremony more suited to my beliefs and tastes. That's what someone of principle would do.
  26. 5 points
    Basics of Sikhi made a video about that. The shabad was mistranslated.
  27. 5 points
    Was watching some of his videos, skimmed through this one. Missionary Sikhs always deny judgment after death, reincarnation, heaven and hell. This guy also denies judgment after death, reincarnation, hell etc missionary Sikhs often call all of this a "metaphor" They scrap everything, divine interventions, divinity, after life etc They just get rid of everything. Do these people genuinely believe what they preach? Or are there people using them to alter Sikhi ? A lot of them seem to spend many years abroad in the west. Its like they view Sikhi from a very Western, atheist perspective. There's a lot of reformist Christian priests and reformist Jewish rabbis who deny an after life, missionary Sikhs seem to be following that. watch @21:00
  28. 5 points
    The RSS BJP Hindu Mentality on Social Media The RSS BJP Hindu Mentality is quite simple, if you want me to put it in short terms, it's this: Be stupid, and spread misinformation to cope, also if you don't have the time to read this, just know they're advocating for another 1984, another Sikh genocide on social media, we are only their friends when we don't speak up for our rights, or when we don't protest, they want us to be subjugated and to remain put while they step all over us, only then they'll ever see us as "friends" Currently these Hindu's are trying to state that Sikhism is apart of Hinduism, or they'll try to rewrite history where all Sikh warriors were actually Hindu such as Banda Singh Bahadur in which they'll ignore that fact he became a Sikh and will just say that he's actually Hindu, or they'll try to state that the "real sikhs" are Udasi's, they're even trying to bring up Guru Nanak-ji's childern to back themselves up, or they'll try to state how many times Hindu deities are mentioned in our holy book without realizing why they're mentioned, they'll also say that our Guru's were Hindu even though they weren't (They will pretend to forget about how the sacred threads of both Hinduism and Islam were rejected, or how idol-worship etc is not allowed) Well what else do these Hindu's do? They will post Hindu warriors and battles and try to claim our history as "Myth" they will try to downplay the feats of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, and will cry that Hindu's actually saved Sikhs from the Mughals while ignoring the fact Sikhs saved Marathi women from the Mughals. You see, their Ego is hurt, they can't accept with the facts so they have to resort to misinformation to make themselves feel better, they'll often try to forget the fact that many Hindu's were actually cowards and decided to convert to Islam to avoid death, unlike our brave Sikh martyrs. They are upset that Hindu's are mocked worldwide, y'know what I mean, they are the "Apu's" the people whom worship Cows, and drink their piss, the ones calling as IRS or Dell Tech support, they are fragile and we have hurt their ego and made them insecure, especially when we received recognition and support from Rihanna, I personally never heard of Hindu-recognition or Hindu-feats during any world-war, even the British Empire looked down upon them and preferred us as we are a "Martial race" They will call us Langarjeet, they will do beadbi, and they will misinterpret our religion, it's simply because they just can't cope, they can't accept the facts that they made India a laughing stock. These are the same people that tried to pin all the R@pe cases in India on the Muslims, and even call them our enemies, yet I have seen more Muslim supporters than Hindu supporters, even the Sikh empire were 80% comprised of Muslims, the only thing that these Hindu's can share with us is Mughal Tyranny, however after their downfall it's been the Hindu's whom oppressed us more than the Muslims. (Yes, there's still an issue with grooming gangs, and Afghanistan, but they're being condemned by many western Muslims, and many western Muslims are supporting the protest, the same energy however isn't being seen with western-Hindus.) RSS BJP Hindu's are basically parasites, you'll see many of these "Hindu Nationalist" pages talk about the glory days and preach about voting BJP again for the dharma, and pretend to be based but the ironic part is that even racist white nationalists rather have Sikhs than them, these Apu's are all talk, keyboard warriors, they disrespected the Khanda in Australia and Sikhs ran up on them, and another RSS BJP Hindu in India was put down to his knees, and was begging for forgiveness for his dumb comments to some Singhs in India. The Khalsa is forever sovereign, everyone except these Hindu BJP RSS supporters show us respect, we are known for our courageous bravery, unlike these cowards whom decided to convert to Islam instead of receiving death, how do you respect your Gods yet you're afraid to die? Do Hindu's not have an afterlife, do they not want to reunite or be judged by their 33 million gods? Another tactic they use is to remind hindu's about "Khalistan" whenever they make these pages, they'll always say "Khalistan sikhs made fun of us first, this is just revenge!" It's funny they believe in their false superiority when the rest of the world sees their people as an laughing stock, and that they always had to ask for our help to defend them, Sikhs are friends of the Hindu's until we speak up for our rights, or protest, then they label us as terrorists, make fun of our religion and do beadbi, and attempt to villianize us and our supporters on social media. Look at the west, they're seen as weak and as nerds, meanwhile we aren't, they're waiting for our people to go extinct, many of these Hindu radical fanatics said Punjab will be Hindu because Sikhs are apparently "infertile" and all them are moving away from Punjab, India has done a great job at brain-washing these low-iq BJP Hindu's, they can't accept the facts, that's why you'll see them circulate pictures of Sikhs defending ourselves from police brutality as "Sikh aggression" I urge those of you with free time, to counter their myths on Twitter with facts, and to post the reality of India, and the Farmer-protest, many of these Hindu's are even advocating for another Sikh genocide, saying that there should be an new 1984. Nothing new to us, we are used to fighting the odds and being outnumbered in conflict, they may kill us but they'll never kill our essence, they don't realize that death is nothing for a Singh or a Kaur, we have nothing to fear. One thing I have to say is "Raj Karega Khalsa"
  29. 5 points
    How old are you ? I used to think the same until my last two visits to India. If anything, keeping up appearances is much more important in India than the West. You will always be an outsider. But you can make it work if you really want to, probably What would be your livelihood? As you will be aware, farmers have it very difficult in India.
  30. 5 points
    Mool Mantar definition 2 Ik Oankar Ik = one unique Oankar = the name of God. The Numeral one stands for a being that is unique and has no other similars to them. God is considered to be Sujati. This means God is the only one of his species and you can find no other like him. Unlike other species you can find them in numbers of more then one such as human beings. There are over 7 billion humans in the world showinh that an individual human is not Sujati as there are over 7 billion similar to them but God has no other remotely similar to them. God is Vijati. This means God has no other species similar to him. Humans have other mammal group, which are similar to them. According to science and the evolution theories of Darwninism and Lamarckism state that the primate family pf apes is similar to that of human beings and they are descends. Im this way there is no other species similar to God. God is Svaigat. God was born from himself and does not have any limbs or attachments. A tree is born from a seed and has branches and flowers or fruit. A human is born from another human and has limbs such as arms and legs. Other creatures such as chickens are born from eggs. Animals such as head lice are born from heat. God is unlike those species and was not through the means of womb, eggs, a seed or from heat. God is self born and is the form of self illumination. God is with our limbs, forms or characteristics seen by people but he is bound within all of his creation. Within all is the illumination and the Lord is the illumination within all. By this illumination the light radiantes in all. (Ang 13 SGGS) In this way God is Sujati, Vijati and Svaigat. God has no Des(Country). God does not have his own land, which can be named. God does not reside in any specific land but everywhere at once. The Hindu consider God to reside in the East and face the sun in meditation. Muslims consider God to reside in Meeca and face the direction when praying. (According to Sant Ji it used to be a Shiva Mandir and all the idols were destroyed when Prophet Mohammed took it over. Also Sant Ji says that it used to be white but due to the sins of people it turned black) (On Prophet Mohammed from what we know of Avtars we can conclude that he was ethier a Avesha or Nit Avtar) Christians and Jews consider God to reside in the seventh level of Heaven. However, God resides in all places all at once. God is present in all lands as Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji showed in Mecca, when the Kabba moved in the direction that his holy feet turned. The Lord resides in all of the lands Dasam Granth Ang 6 God has no Kal (time). At some point every being was born Ethier at day or night. God does not die due to this nor does he take birth. His form is immortal. Tod is considered timeless and cannot be placed into the concept of time, which is a man made concept. To be countined...
  31. 5 points
    This man Karminder is a malaysian missionary parasite. He is a nindak of everything from Sri Dasme Patshah's granth Sahib to naam simran to every single sakhi there is on Sikhi. That should be the least of your concerns brother. Focus on the lies coming out his mouth first. Read this rebuttal I wrote some years ago to his Babur Bani lies: (https://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/19698-sick-parasite-network-spn-ਜੈਸੀ-ਮੈ-ਆਵੈ-ਖਸਮ-ਕੀ-ਬਾਣੀ/ (It is quite long) This is another shabad that has come on the Sick Parasite Network, written by a learned doctor of that site - "Dr Karminder Dhillon." He is a great inspiration to his pet rat aman, who is an admin on that site, and is always looking to host his mentors thoughts on that forum. I want to have a look at some of this great doctors thoughts and add my own thoughts to it. I will be posting the great doctors thoughts in black and my own in blue so readers can distinguish. Dr Karminder starts by saying " Shabd is composed by Guru Nanak ji in Tilang Rag and is recorded on page 722 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji." This Shabd stands high on the list of “wrongly translated Shabds." I always wonder how did the Panth manage to follow the wrong translations for centuries until Sikhs of Dr karminders calibre were born to take us out of the darkness and into the light. The Shabd is further (wrongly) described as “Babbur Vanee” by many translators. Babbur Vanee means it is composed for and narrated to Mogul conqueror Babur. Babur Vanee further means it predicts the end of the Mogul rule in India. - Babar Bani is just an informal title given to it, to distinguish it from the other shabads. When we hear the name "Babar Bani" then we understand it to be talking about this particular shabad. That is all. There is no conspiracy. Just as the "Lavan" shabads haven't been given the title of "Lavan Bani" but whenever we talk about the "Lavan" it is clearly understood that we are talking about which shabads. Similarly there are many shabads by Guru Nanak Dev Ji which are addressed with the word "Vanjara" in them. These also are not titled "Vanjara banis" but we understand them to be about the Vanjara shabads of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. You can see from the above thoughts of the great doctor, the depth of intellect, and the reasons why he is has god-like status on Sick Parasite Network. Then the great doctor goes on to write "Gurbani is Sarab Sanji; by which is meant it is NEVER occasion, location, era or person specific. This means that while Gurbani is always composed at some location, may be composed to draw from specific occasions, and may be uttered in the presence of person or persons – the composition is NEVER MEANT for any specific location, any particular occasion or for a certain person(s). ALL of Gurbani is composed for use in ALL locations, ALL occasions, ALL eras and ALL persons. Gurbani is spiritual in nature and meant for the WHOLE of humanity throughout time. Specifying Gurbani for specific locations, occasions and person(s) is a human failing. It arises from our failure to explore the true spiritual messages of Gurbani. It originates out of our folly of wanting to understand Gurbani only in the literal sense." Here is the doctor is partially correct. Gurbani is spiritual in nature and meant for the whole of humanity throughout time. However Gurbani is not restricted from, neither does it abandon the "uthanka" or background to such writings. Gurbani has many levels, and the historical aspect of Gurbani is also valid. Coming back on the great doctors thought that Gurbani is never occasion, location era or person specific, I would like to bring these lines of shabads to the reader so they can see if doctor karminder is correct.: ਫਰੀਦਾ ਪੰਖ ਪਰਾਹੁਣੀ ਦੁਨੀ ਸੁਹਾਵਾ ਬਾਗੁ ॥ Bhagat Farid Ji Maharaj bani starts a lot with "Farida" where he is telling/educating himself. Did BHagat Ji tell these with others in mind? Possibly but the immediate instruction is to himself. So in the first instance this gurbani and many others of Bhagat Ji are person specific. But when we read them are WE telling Bhagat Farid what he must do, in order to find God?" ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ Aasaa, Fifth Mehla: ਪ੍ਰਥਮੇ ਮਤਾ ਜਿ ਪਤ੍ਰੀ ਚਲਾਵਉ ॥ First, they advised me to send a letter. ਦੁਤੀਏ ਮਤਾ ਦੁਇ ਮਾਨੁਖ ਪਹੁਚਾਵਉ ॥ Second, they advised me to send two men. ਤ੍ਰਿਤੀਏ ਮਤਾ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਰਉ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥ Third, they advised me to make the effort and do something. ਮੈ ਸਭੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਛੋਡਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤੁਹੀ ਧਿਆਇਆ ॥੧॥ But I have renounced everything, and I meditate only on You, God. ||1|| This shabad by Guru Arjan Dev Ji Maharaj is person specific. Which Sikh who has read this shabad sent a letter and then subsequently two men? To whom did he send them? ਕਹਤ ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਸੁਨਹੁ ਤਿਲੋਚਨ ਬਾਲਕੁ ਪਾਲਨ ਪਉਢੀਅਲੇ ॥ Says Naam Dayv, listen, O Trilochan: the child is laid down in the cradle. ਅੰਤਰਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਕਾਜ ਬਿਰੂਧੀ ਚੀਤੁ ਸੁ ਬਾਰਿਕ ਰਾਖੀਅਲੇ ॥੪॥੧॥ Its mother is at work, inside and outside, but she holds her child in her thoughts. ||4||1|| Here Bhagat Ji is addressing Bhagat Trilochan directly. It's still a lesson that we as humans use, but the fact is that it is not addressed to us all at that specific time. It was specifically to one person. ਮੇਰੇ ਸਿਖ ਸੁਣਹੁ ਪੁਤ ਭਾਈਹੋ ਮੇਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਭਾਣਾ ਆਉ ਮੈ ਪਾਸਿ ਜੀਉ ॥ Listen O my Sikhs, my children and Siblings of Destiny; it is my Lord's Will that I must now go to Him. ਹਰਿ ਭਾਣਾ ਗੁਰ ਭਾਇਆ ਮੇਰਾ ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਕਰੇ ਸਾਬਾਸਿ ਜੀਉ ॥ The Guru gladly accepted the Lord's Will, and my Lord God applauded Him. So when we read the above lines from Ramkali Sadd, are we assuming the title and rank of Guru? Or is it Sunder saying it for a specific moment in the Guru's Life? From the above few lines it is apparent that Gurbani does not share Doctor karminders views of what gurbani should be. The great doctor karminder then writes : "We shall start by looking at the final verse ਸਚ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਆਖੈ ਸਚੁ ਸੁਣਾਇਸੀ ਸਚ ਕੀ ਬੇਲਾ ॥ ੨ ॥ Sach Kee Banee Nanak Akhey Sach Sunayesee Sach Kee Bella. Sach – The Creator. Sach Kee Banee – God Connecting Banee. Akhey – Pronounces. Sunayesee – Discourses. Bella – Time. Sach Kee Bella – Creator Given Time; Lifetime as Given by the Creator; ALL times, forever. Nanak Pronounces God Connecting Banee and Conducts Godly Discourse at every God Given Moment." This is entirely his own interpretation. How do we know this is wrong? Because Guru Sahib conducted his life in as one whole given moment in God. But yet Guru Sahib still slept, travelled, worked etc. During these times how was Guru Sahib conducting Godly discourse? Guru Sahib only conducted Godly discourse at certain times and places. Lets look at Prof Sahib Singh's interpretation: ਸਚ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ = ਸਦਾ ਕਾਇਮ ਰਹਿਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੀ ਸਿਫ਼ਤ-ਸਾਲਾਹ ਦੀ ਬਾਣੀ। ਆਖੈ = ਆਖਦਾ ਹੈ, ਉਚਾਰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਸੁਣਾਇਸੀ = ਸੁਣਾਂਦਾ ਰਹੇਗਾ, ਉਚਾਰਦਾ ਰਹੇਗਾ, ਆਖਦਾ ਰਹੇਗਾ। ਬੇਲਾ = ਸਮਾ, ਮਨੁੱਖਾ ਜਨਮ ਦਾ ਸਮਾ। ਸਚ ਕੀ ਬੇਲਾ = ਸਿਮਰਨ, ਸਿਫ਼ਤ-ਸਾਲਾਹ ਦਾ ਹੀ ਇਹ ਸਮਾ ਹੈ ॥੨॥੩॥੫॥ (ਜੀਵ ਮਾਇਆ ਦੇ ਰੰਗ ਵਿਚ ਮਸਤ ਹੋ ਕੇ ਉਮਰ ਅਜਾਈਂ ਗਵਾ ਰਹੇ ਹਨ) ਨਾਨਕ ਤਾਂ (ਇਸ ਵੇਲੇ ਭੀ) ਸਦਾ ਕਾਇਮ ਰਹਿਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੀ ਸਿਫ਼ਤ-ਸਾਲਾਹ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ, (ਸਾਰੀ ਉਮਰ ਹੀ) ਇਹ ਸਿਫ਼ਤ-ਸਾਲਾਹ ਕਰਦਾ ਰਹੇਗਾ, ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਇਹ ਮਨੁੱਖਾ ਜਨਮ ਦਾ ਸਮਾ ਸਿਫ਼ਤ-ਸਾਲਾਹ ਵਾਸਤੇ ਹੀ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਹੈ ॥੨॥੩॥੫॥ Faridkoti teeka translates it as : ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਹਤੇ ਹੈਂ ਸਚੇ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਕੀ (ਬਾਣੀ) ਹੁਕਮੁ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣ ਂਧੁਰਿ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਆਈਂ (ਸਚ ਕੀ ਬੇਲਾ) ਸਚੇ ਨਾਮੁ ਉਚਾਰਨ ਕੀ ਵੇਲਾ ਸਮੇਂ ਸਵੇਰੇ ਸੋ ਸਚ ਹੀ ਅਸੀ ਸੁਣਾਂਵਦੇ ਹਾਂ ਔ ਸੁਣਾਵੈਂਗੇ॥੨॥੫॥ Dr Sant Singh Khalsa in english translates this as : Nanak speaks the Word of Truth; he proclaims the Truth at this, the right time. ||2||3||5|| Now what karminder is saying is somewhat based on these but he gives a confused message to the reader. "Nanak Pronounces God Connecting Banee..." since when did Guru Nanak pronounce any bani that wasn't god connecting? karminder is trying to confuse the reader by saying that Guru Sahib at times, prounced gurbani that wasn't god-connecting. Dr. Karminder Singh Dhillion Phd(Boston) then further writes about the whole shabad and towards the end says : "TWELVETH VERSE ਆਵਨਿ ਅਠਤਰੈ ਜਾਨਿ ਸਤਾਨਵੈ ਹੋਰੁ ਭੀ ਉਠਸੀ ਮਰਦ ਕਾ ਚੇਲਾ ॥ Avan Athathrey Jaan Satanvey Hor Bhee Uthsee Marad Ka Chela. Avan – Coming. Athathrey – 78. Jaan – Goes. Satanvey – 97. Hor – More, Many, Others. Bhee – Also. Uthsee – Raise, Come to the forefront. Marad – Male, Masculine, Man-liness. Chela – Disciple, Follower, Subscriber. This is the verse that has been subject to a great deal of wrong translations. A Commentary is therefore necessary to first critique the existing faulty translations. The (wrong) translation is: Coming in seventy-eight (1578 Sammat, 1521 A.D.), they will depart in ninety-seven (1597 Sammat, 1540 A.D.), and then another disciple of man will rise up. (Sant Singh MD D Translation.) Other translators – Prof Sahib Singh, and Manmohan Singh mention Emperor Babur as coming in 1578 and being defeated by Sher Shah Suree in 1597. The Fareedkot Vedic Teeka says “the Moghuls will come in 1578 and go in 1597 and that the “Mard Ka Chela” refers to Guru Gobind Singh ji. COMMENT ONE: All the above translators translate the words ATHUTREY (78) and SATANVEY (97) to mean 1579 and 1597 Bikarmee. How the 15 came to be added is anyone’s guess. Because 15 is NOT mentioned in the Verse, If we want to add 15 on our own, why not 1478 and 1479? Or 1678 and 1679? After “assuming” that 79 and 97 is 1579 and 1597 Sammat respectively the years are then converted by the translators from Bikarmee (Indian calendar) to the western year 1521 and 1540 AD. Then the translators say these are the years Babur came to Saidpur 1521 AD (where the massacre took place) and that Babur WILL GO in 1540 AD." According to the great daktors thinking, the translation including the "15" is wrong. I can't beleive how Boston is handing out PHD willy nilly. I should get one. The text in Gurbani says 78 and 97 but if we are reading or understanding this 5 centuries later we need to add that "15" to know what time period we are talking about. For example, when we talk about partition now, we can just refer to it as 47. As I ask old people "Where you alive in 47?" Everyone knows that this is a direct reference to 1947 because 2047 hasn't happened yet. But in 500 years time will people still refer to it as 47? No, because it will not be clear. They will refer to it as 1947. The commentators on this line of Gurbani have correctly added the 15 to make it clearer for the reader. So the great PHD doctor starts off on a very weak foot here. "SEVEN BASIC things are WRONG with such translations. 1) They show Guru Nanak making a PREDICTION of worldly matters (that Babar or Mogul Raj WILL go in 1540 AD). Our Gurus never do such. Predicting the future is not a Gurmat Principle." Predicting the future for a Sikh is not gurmat principle, but for the Guru it is no effort. Guru Sahib has correctly told of the going of (end of) the moghals. So given that this shabad is focused entirely on an actual historical event, seen in the first person by the Guru, and written about factually by the Guru, it is unable to be refuted by the great PHD doctor karminder that it is against gurmat principles. We Sikhs are not the same as the Guru. Guru Gobind Singh Ji drew his sword and asked for 5 heads. Why don't Sikhs do that same thing now when doing khande ki pahul sinchar? Simple. We are Sikhs, the Guru is the Guru. "2) Such translations make spiritually rich Gurbani into a ocassion specific “historical” narrative. This is never the nature of Gurbani. Gurbani is SARAB SANJHEE – for ALL ocassion, all persons, all locations etc. Most importantly Gurbani is spiritual." This has been answered above in the composition of Ramkali Sadd. Ramkali Sadd IS a specific historical narrative. So it is very apparent that Doctor Karminder Dhillon PHD Boston is wrong. The majority of Gurbani is spiritual but not all. "3) Such translations portray Guru Nanak as inconsistent. The translator says Guru Nanak depicts the “CRUELTY of Babur to innocent women and children” and YET calls BABUR as a MARD !! How is Babur an invader a MARD? And whose CHELA? What’s so MARD about massacring innocent people?" Mard in persian means "man." That is all. Guru Sahib describes Babar as a man. Nothing else regarding his military prowess, personal habits, political standing etc. Chela means follower. All Guru Sahib is stating here is that one of Babar's followers will take his place. "4) Such translations makes it seem that Guru Nanak got his history wrong !!! Babur entered India in 1526 AD. The battle of Panipat took place in 1526. That’s the year he becomes emperor. So the massacre in Saidpur was AFTER 1526. The year 1521 AD for ATHUTREY by the translator is off by 5 years! How could Guru Nanak have made this mistake? Babur died on Dec 26 1530. So the year 1540 AD for ATHANVEY (the year Babur left Saidpur !!) is off by 10 years!! He was already in his grave." The first thing to note here is the Gurbani mentions no names. The line is " ਆਵਨਿ ਅਠਤਰੈ ਜਾਨਿ ਸਤਾਨਵੈ ਹੋਰੁ ਭੀ ਉਠਸੀ ਮਰਦ ਕਾ ਚੇਲਾ ." There is no reference to Babar in name but as the shabad tells us the "wedding party" came from Khorasan at the same time Babar did, we know it is refering to Babur and his Mongol army. All the Gurbani tells us is that "they came in 78 (1521) and will return in 1540. So this has nothing to do with the lifetime of Babur itself. That is a very important thing to note here. This is where the PHD Boston of Karminder Dhillon has erred. Babur actually entered Panjab way before in 1519 according to his autobiography. He scored victories and took some land but then had to return to Kabul to quell a rebellion there. His meagre force left in Panjab was then defeated in an uprising. He re-entered Panjab in 1521. The sacking of Saidpur was in 1526. It could hardly be called a battle. There was feeble or no resistance at all. Babur had used Saidpur as a warning to those who stood in his way. he made an example of Saipur to show the rulers of Hindustan his ruthlessness. The Rt Hon Doctor karminder dhillon PHD Boston then writes: "The shabd is wholly spiritual. It uses multiple metaphors – marriage, junj, joree, daan, mighty human beings, power full beings etc etc. Guru ji also used IDIOMS. We need to understand the context of these metaphors and get to the spiritual messages. That is how we interpreted the entire Shabd as above. This particular verse is NO EXCEPTION. In English we may say SCORES come and DOZENS go. One score is 20. And one dozen is 12. This means whatever is being referred to comes and goes APLENTY. IT DOES NOT mean someone particular came in 1820 and went in 1912!!!! In our everyday language we say SAU AIYE TEY SAU GAYEY. SAU is one hundred. Or TEREY VARGEY KAYEE HAZAAR DEKHEY. Or TEREY VARGEY CHATEE (36) AIYEY. These numbers are used idiomatically to portray unspecific multitudes. The shabd uses the numbers BOTH idiomatically to portray MULTITIDES and poetically to be within the poetic confines of the verses before and after. ਆਵਨਿ ਅਠਤਰੈ ਜਾਨਿ ਸਤਾਨਵੈ ਹੋਰੁ ਭੀ ਉਠਸੀ ਮਰਦ ਕਾ ਚੇਲਾ ॥ Avan Athathrey Jaan Satanvey Hor Bhee Uthsee Marad Ka Chela. Avan – Coming. Athathrey – 78, metaphor for unspecified multiples. Jaan – Goes. Satanvey – 97; metaphor for unspecific multiples. Hor – More, Many, Others. Bhee – Also. Uthsee – Raise, Come to the forefront. Marad – Male, Masculine. Chela – Disciple, Follower, Believer, Worshipper. Unspecified Multiples Will Come and Multiple More Will Depart as Worshippers of Masculine Prowess. (Yet the Hukm of the Creator Will Remain as Permanent). " To me, this just sums up the clutching of straws to build up a straw man argument. Using a specific non rounded number is NOT part of everyday talk. We use, and indeed Gurbani uses numbers like a hundred, thousands, and lakhs etc. But it never uses numbers like 78, 97, 146, 2685, 743872 etc. Using rounded numbers to portray a particular aspect or point is normal in any language. But to try and use "78" and "97" for unspecified numbers is just nonsensical. But those rats like that admin aman on SPN live for this kind of nonsense. The great doctor then ends with some of his musings on what gurbani should be with : "COMMENT ON THE NOTION OF SARAB SANJHEE BANEE. When we say Gurbanee is NEVER occasion, location, time or person specific – we are saying the messages are NOT meant for a particular location, occasion, time or individual. We are saying ALL of Gurbani is meant for ALL of humanity for ALL times." Again this is not bourne out by the inclusion of Ramkali Sadd. Although there is great teachings in that shabad for the benefit of humankind, there is no denying that the writing was an occasion and person specific event. I wonder why it is, that these PHD's and ilk feel that there is a need to distort each and every aspect of Gurmat to their own particular thoughts. We had Angy on here some months ago doing it, and they have no shame in doing it. Plenty have. I have on Sick Parasite Network, but they only ban you when barmy karmy is exposed. Did you? And what did you find ?
  32. 5 points
    I've been browsing the BBC news site regularly for a few weeks now, and they're really pushing hard the news that Asians and Blacks in the UK aren't coming forward in droves to get vaccinated. That in itself isn't an issue IMO, but the fact that they're recruiting ethnic establishment figures from the entertainment world to speak down to us lowly pendus, is so friggin' patronising, as if they assume that we give a 5hit what our "community icons" have to say. Do they really think that cock-eyed Romesh fella and Meera Syal have any say in what I think or feel? Dumb b*****s.
  33. 5 points
    More tactics they'll try to use. 1. Early Paintings of Guruji's had Tilaks on their forehead making them Hindu Now what they fail to understand is that this practice was stopped by the 6th guru, and completely ended with the formation of the Khalsa in 1699, where we officially got our "guidelines" per say, and the five K's, they also fail to acknowledge that our Guru's literally denied being Hindu or Muslim... Which is why you can only find paintings of Nanak, and our first five Guru's with Tilak, now the funny thing is they'll use these paintings as fact but deny our primary sources for our historical events.... Hypocritical? Also they seem to be very bipolar, some of them will deny us being Hindu and call us "plagarism" and said we have abandoned Dharma as soon as we stopped worshipping Hindu gods, and others will try to call us apart of Hinduism. 2. Hindu Gods/Goddess and Imagery They will try to say that we believe in Hindu Gods, but they don't realize the fact that we don't see them as Gods, correct me if I'm wrong, but I read somewhere that it was said that once they started calling themselves "Gods" they grew in ego, and corrupted their mission? and that God can create thousands of Krishna's as tiny as ants, or something along those lines, stating that Krishna was basically insignificant to the actual creator (If you can find the exact quote, reply here.) They also fail to realize that we believe in Akal Purakh not those 33 million "gods" they have, and we don't Idol-worship either. They may bring up the fact the Hindu goddess Durga was on the Sikh empire standard, however from what I read it can't be confirmed whether that flag was for a Hindu-regiment or for the entire empire, and having Durga on it doesn't mean you believe in Durga as your deity, many indians use them as a source of inspiration, similar to the Chand used by Nihangs which also has a different meaning to what these Hindu's who don't bother to do research may think. They will bring up "Sects" such as the Udasi or Bandai Sikhs. They will then bring up Udasi or Bandai Sikhs but completely fails to understand why they have been cut off, (20th cent for Udasi's, and Bandai Sikhs which was after Banda Bahadur's death whom was loyal follower of Guruji himself, rejoined the Tat Khalsa in it's entirety leaving behind the many customs Banda had for his followers while he was alive, after his death is when they tried to make him the 11th guru and create "Bandai Khalsa" they will also call him a Hindu even though he took amrit alongside his wife, and accepted his new name, and even after his followers created their own sect you can say, they still had the name "Sikh" in it instead of "Bandai Hindus") 3. Guru Tegh Bahadur's Sacrfiice. They will try to either call it a myth and ignore the many sources, or they'll say "He didn't save Hindu's, those were Kashmiri Pandits." You can probably understand by now that they're pretty slow. 4. "McSikhs, SPGC Singhs!" If you literally counter their point with any historical fact, or source they will resort to calling you a fake McSikh that supports the SPGC, or they'll call you a Muslim lover. 5. They will deny any history that makes Hinduism looks weak or evil. Hindus converting to Islam like cowards? Nope didn't happen. Rajputs selling their daughters to persians? Nope. Hindu's being invaded for basically like 500 years by muslim and arabs and turks? Nope. Hindu's becoming slaves aka Indentured servants in the Carribbean by the British Raj? Nope. Hindu's being seen as a lesser race instead of a martial race? Nope. Hindu's oppressing other religions such as Islam and Sikhs in their many religious riots? Nope, they'll say that they haven't started it, which maybe true in some cases however that doesn't warrant for the entire nation to kill random muslim babies over 1 event in 1 state, committed by only a few people, it's okay though their logic is that if 1 person from that group commits something bad, it's okay to go out and kill everyone belonging to that community, including children that have no idea on whats going on. 6. KHALISTAN! You are a "Khalistan Terrorist" because you proved a RW Hindu wrong, congrats. Maybe if they seen my username on this website they'd have a point, but it's clear they don't see us as equals so they shouldn't be so surprised they created a division among Hindu and Sikhs especially between the Youth and to Sikhs outside of India, try your best to "reason" with them and educate the truth, considering how effective their propaganda was to rally the RW hindus on the internet to villianzie our community, however remember. "All modes of redressing the wrong having failed, raising of sword is pious and just" If I made any mistakes, quote this and correct me because I wrote this in a rush.
  34. 5 points
  35. 5 points
    Real Sikh spirituality is dead so they engage in this holier than thou gestures at Gurdwaras such as iftar food and allowing namaz.The same people taking part in iftar breaking fast during their namaz in Gurdwara must be praying "dear Allah,give Hidayah to these kafirs,may they get circumcised and may this Gurdwara turn into a Masjeed.It already has the dome on top so doesn't need much renovation".
  36. 5 points
    I think that these cultural issues are a big distraction designed to obscure the much more serious economic issues. In most Western countries, the gap between the rich and poor has been steadily growing. Average people have seen their quality of life go down. Yet, instead of holding to account those responsible, or attempting to change the system that has led to the current state of affairs, most average people end up scapegoating others. No offense (I know many posters here are from the UK), but I think that the UK in particular is in the beginning stages of a steady and prolonged decline. Brits are very delusional about their place in the world. They seem to have been too frequently fed the myth that they "stood alone" against the rest of the world in WW2 and won the war. And they don't seem to have gotten the memo that the days of empire ended long ago. Brexit has set the UK on a path to irrelevance. Based on what I have seen, the UK has a combination of most of bad characteristics of the US and continental Europe. And it doesn't have enough of the good aspects of either the US or continental Europe. Once you get out of Central London, it is surprising how run-down, dilapidated and depressing the UK is. It's shocking how much poverty there is. Having said that, I think the UK is still an okay place for the Sikh community (since there are many neighborhoods with large Sikh populations and gurdwaras).
  37. 5 points
    This is madness , if anything goes wrong and someone dies guess who will be blamed , why are our people such idiots first they put Gurdwara up for administering the vaccines , then volunteer to administer them to people .... Dubai is rich why not hospitals or at masjids? https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/dubais-covid-vaccine-scramble-sikhs-serve-doses-75755555?fbclid=IwAR0Zl3IfhM-22C_lFIg3VPMoIPidWHzxKSmE0i4mRKLenrwt_VNs1y20rlM
  38. 5 points
    This is kind of showing Indian celebrities true colours to the general dumb population, esp these bollywood actors and Indian politicians these people worship.
  39. 5 points
    Part 2 10. Knowing 'I am that Brahman' in which this world appearance (exists) like a city reflected in a mirror, find fulfilment, O sinless one! 11. Liberated from the grip of egoism, like the moon (after the eclipse), full, ever blissful, selfluminous, one attains one's essence. 12. The destruction of actions leads to that of thought; thence results the dwindling of innate impulses (to act). The obliteration of innate impulses is liberation; it is held to be freedom in life. 13. At all places and by all means, perceiving everything as Spirit, one achieves the dissolution of innate impulses as it strengthens the attitude of universal good will. 14. Never should one be heedless in devotion to Brahman; 'heedlessness is death' so aver the philosophers of Brahman in regard to (this) science. 15. Just as a pulled-up water-reed stays not still, even for a moment, so does Maya (ceaselessly) envelop even a wise man if he averts his face (from the Truth). 16. Whosoever wins absoluteness while alive continues to be absolute even after death. Rooted in concentration, O sinless one, remain steadfast. 17. With the vision of the non-dual Self through unwavering concentration comes the dissolution without residue of the knots of ignorance in the heart. 18. Strengthening the sense of Self vis-à-vis this vision, and rejecting it vis-à-vis the ego, etc., remain indifferent to them all, as to objects like pots and clothes. 19. All things from Brahma down to clumps of grass are nothing but unreal adjuncts. Distinct from the, see one's Self existing as the immutable plenum. 20. One's Self is Brahma, Vishnu, Indra and Shiva; this entire world is one's Self; other than this Self, there is nothing.
  40. 5 points
  41. 5 points
    Part 2 Guru Nanak is Greater then a Puran avtar Guru Gobind Singh Ji went on to explain the five attributes 1 Shakti Ram showed his powers to his mother. When his mother went to pray to Devi he replaced the image with an image of himself. To show his powers. Krishna too did this. Krishna pretended to eat dirt so when his mother forced him to spit it out she saw his mouth and saw the whole world. The entire universe. Guru Nanak had a different miracle. At amrit vela all the devi devta came to worship Guru Mahraj. He was put on a throne like a Maharaja. He was given massages with sandalwood. They placed flowers around his neck. They said To Mahraj ji "O protector of meek you are the true king. You are Vahguru in a Sargun roop. You will save the world and humanity. You are the protector of Devi Devta." At this point Mata Tripta awoke who was around her son. All the Devi Devta disappeared. She saw Guru Ji in Saffron and sandalwood all over him. The smell was overwhelming. She now lnew Guru Nanak was Vahguru. To pervent his mother from finding out he put maya in his moms mind. Then Guru Ji started to cry. Mata ji forgot everything that happened. For this reason Guru Ji can't be called less then Ram and Krishna. He is greater because he has more then the 16 powers and abilities. Once a cobra gave shade to Guru Nanak while he was sleeping. Once a tree gave shade even though it broke logic as teh sun was in the opposite direction. Also Guru Nanak moved Kaaba. Guru Ji stopped a Rock. Other avtars used miracles to boost their popularity and ego Guru Nanak used them to guide people and save them. He never did miracles to boost his own ego. He used them to destroy ego. Krishna had 16 powers Guru Nanak had infinite. 2 Viakti Guru Nanak is greater then all other avtars. Ram and Krishna cut their hair in their lives. Not even in his youth did Guru Ji even dream of cutting hair. When Ram meet some royal maidens they tried to marry Ram but Ram said he will satisfy their needs in Dwapar. ( Fun Fact Satjug the Golden age is 1,728,000 years long Treta the silver age is 1,296,000 years long Dwapar the bronze age is 864,000 years long Kaljug the iron age is 432,000 years long. Numbers are from Adhyatam Parkash) In Dwapar the maidens became Gopis and Krishna had sexual relations with many of them. Both Ram and Krishna could not eradicate Lust. When Guru Nanak went to Sri Lanka the beautiful women tried to enchant Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Guru Nanak destroyed their lust through Gurbani. The began to Jap Naam and became Gursikhs The shabad Guru Nanak says is on ang 1187 of SGGS. Guru Nanak did not fallen lust he destroyed it. 3 Pragya Ram made Rishi Vashisht his vidya guru. He spent 64 days with him. He then spent 8 days with Rishi Vishwamitar. Krishna made Rishi Darbasha his vidya guru. He soent 8 days with him. He then spent 64 days with Rishi Sandipan. For Guru Nanak the teachers did not teach him he taught them. Gur Nanak needed no Vidya Guru. He learned Shastar Vidya by himself and taught Baba Buddha Ji who would teach Guru Hargobind shastar vidya when the time was right. 4 Kartab Ram lived 10,000 years. He only did miracles when he was in exile. Ram made a promise that no kid should die before his parents. A son of a Brhaman later died. He acused Ram of liying and having now power. Ram said the child died because of a low caste person meditating in the jungle. Ram beheaded the low caste person. By accident Ram fought against his 2 kids his entire army including Ram was killed. Sita later brought him back to life. Still Ram gave his reign to his children due to his attachment. Krishna after killing the Kans named his maternal grandfather king as he had attachment towards his family. Guru Namak however spemt the firs 28 years of their life working then were brought to Sachkhand where he was given the Mool Mantar. He never did Ustat of anyone other the Vahguru. Guru Nanak rather then killing evil people enlightened them and saved them. Unlike avtars of Vishnu. (Fun fact Vishnu has 4 arms which all have symbolic and metaphorical menaings. First a conch shell in the upper left hand. This represents Oangkar which led to the creation of life and of Vishnu. Second a spinning disc called a chakra. It is in the upper right hand and represents destroying a persons ignorance and giving Gian. Thirdly a mace in the lower left hand. This is to represent spiritual power and to uplift purity. Finally in the right bottem hand is a lotus flower. Thsi is to represent liberation and being attached to nothing) He had no attachment to hsi children and didn't pass the Gurgaddi to them. He made people Sants regardless of Race, cast, gender etc. During Guru Amardas Ji's life no one in Gobindwal died of anything. Ram live 10,000 years Krishna lived 1,000 years. Both barely traveled. Guru Nanak in 70 years nearly traveled the entire old world (Old world being Europe, Asia and Africa. Som say Australia too) Guru Nanak did so much Parchar in 70 years and gave the mantar of Sachkhand (Mool Mantar) Guru Nanak was like no other avtar The samgat then asked for authenticity the Guru Ji said To be countined... (Part 3 is really Good stay tuned)
  42. 5 points
    Have they asked for pics of Greta's bobs and vagene, the sick f***s.
  43. 5 points
    Thing is what's the Sikh female equivalent of a keshdhari man? With males it's: 1. Amritdhari / 2. Keshdhari (non-baptised) / 3. Monah (The above is purely on an external basis, not indicators of religious or spiritual adherence). With Sikh females it's: 1. Amritdhari / 2. Moni Is that correct? So, if we're to presume that Amritdharis of both sexes can pair off and Moneh and Monis can do the same, then who are Keshdharis meant to go for? They aren't religious enough for baptised Sikhs, and they're aren't clean-shaven for Monis. They're kinda stuck in No Singh's Land.
  44. 5 points
    Women are going to women. They're drawn to the male of whichever group they perceive (rightly or wrongly) will provide them with resources and protection in the most basic sense. For a minority such as Sikhs if we don't want to inadvertently lose our women to more predatory groups (and therefore the only means by which future growth is achievable), then the men need to be viewed as dominant and invaluable. Cultural and/or religious fear which was historically enough to keep women loyal to their own tribe is no longer a reality in the West. Worryingly, it's becoming an issue for native Indian Sikhs, too. In India the issue is slightly unique compared to matters in the West because you have the overarching Hindu society in which Sikhs exist in an almost subservient and non-dominant position. Women SENSE these things on a biological basis. In Punjab this currently isn't so much of a problem, because the Sikhs who are within that society are considered to be the so-called natives of that region (despite the numbers), but in places such as Delhi, Mumbai, etc., where Sikhs are surrounded by Hindus in a more obvious sense, Sikh females will come into contact with men of other groups. So, the opportunity for them to date and marry these non-Sikhs based on the perception of their societal status and role in that region will dictate matters of attraction and coupling. Of course, it doesn't take a genius to realise the difference between a traditionally masculine Punjab native and his less imposing, mercantile urban counterpart; this also plays a part in this issue. Islam, despite its faults, understands these ground social realities, and therefore compensates for such unpredictable phenomena amongst its people by mandating and sanctioning social behaviour via its religious scriptures as a unassailable method of keeping control. We, on the other hand, are told to transcend petty issues to do with tribalism based on skin, status group, etc. So, ironically, the women who eschew Sikh males for men of other groups are actually more observant of their religion's spiritual philosophy than those who aren't, lol. Overall, this problem is one of the many reasons why we should consider the idea of our own country. We are the mercy of a torrent of issues and forces designed to weaken us (either by design or the natural course of things) the longer we languish amongst hostile groups that want to see us gone. Drawing women away from the men of their own tribe in this seemingly innocuous manner is a key strategy that ultimately destroys a people, a culture, a religion, etc.
  45. 4 points
    Vaheguru ji ka khalsa Vaheguru ji ki fateh Just wanted to share some of Sant ji's speeches. @GurjantGnostic Veerji i remember last time you were asking for katha in english.These are some of Sant ji's speeches in english. Bhul Chuk Maf
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  47. 4 points
    Japji Sahib Katha 1 countined Guru Ji added the numeral 1 to show there is no duality. There is only 1 God. Oankar can be split into two separate syllables when trying to find the meaning. The first part is Aum and the second is Kar. Aum can be split into 3 different letters which are A,U and M. The three letters represent the word Akar,Ukar and Makar. The word Akar represents Brhama. Ukar represents Vishnu and Makar represents you gussed it Shiva. According to Hinduism the three demi gods are considered most sacred and are responsible for the welfare of creation. Brhama the creator. Vishnu the provider or sustainer and Shiva the destroyer. This shows that Aum represents the trinity. Kar represents the formless lord whom is known as Vahguru. Kar is placed on top of Aum to show they gain there powers form Vahguru. Akar, Ukar, Makar and the Ardhbind (Kar), when all four come together and form one then understand this to be Oankar (Adhyatam Ramayan) The Sidhs hearing this asked why add the numeral 1 it is not in the Vedas. So why do this. Guru ji said "Our faith is for everyon and all of humanity. The Mantra Aum in the Vedas is knly for the Brahmin social class of people as they can both listen and recite it. The social class of Kshatris can listen to Aum but cannot recite. The social classes of Shudras and Vais cannot listen to or recite the mantra. All of the women from all four of the social clasdes cannot listen to or recite the mantra of Aum. By placing the numeral one in front of the mantra, Oankar we show that God has no duality and Ik Oankar can be read and recited by anyone from any background. Those people who say Ik Oankar will be saved. For this reason, we have created this mantra for all of the people in the world. Just as a cloud showers all the people with rain, in the same way God is showering all of the people of the world with grace and love. Regardless of race, gender, colour, creed, social class etc. Unlike the Aum mantra everyone has the right to recit this Ik Oankar. To be countined...
  48. 4 points
    I will be posting the Upishands in English (Sorry if this is in the wrong section) Even though they are not Sikh texts they have lots of Gian and should be studied by Sikhs. In Sant Gurbachn Singh Ji's Teeka of Japji Sahib he quotes them quite often as they are very important for Sikhs. To fully understand the Tika you must read the Upishands. This will not be a Tika just basic Translations. I am mainly making this so we can deepen our understanding of Gurbani. Adhyatma Part 1 (NOT MY TRANSLATIONS PLEASE DON'T THINK IT IS MINE OR PRAISE ME FOR THIS PLEASE) In the cave of the body is eternally set the one unborn. The earth is His body. (Though) moving within the earth, the earth knows Him not. The water is His body. (Though) moving within the water, the water knows Him not. The fire is His body. (Though) moving within the fire, the fire knows Him not. The air is His body. (Though) moving within the air, the air knows Him not. The ether is His body. (Though) moving within the ether, the ether knows Him not. The mind is His body. (Though) moving within the mind, the mind knows Him not. The intellect is His body. (Though) moving within the intellect, the intellect knows Him not. The ego is His body. (Though) moving within the ego, the ego knows Him not. The mind-stuff is His body. (Though) moving within the mind-stuff, the mind-stuff knows Him not. The unmanifest is His body. (Though) moving within the unmanifest, the unmanifest knows Him not. The imperishable is His body. (Though) moving within the imperishable, the imperishable knows Him not. The Death is His body. (Though) moving within Death, Death knows Him not. He, then, is the inner-self of all beings, sinless, heaven-born, luminous, the sole Narayana. Superimposition is the thought, 'I' am and mine are the body, the senses, etc., which are all other than the Self. Through devotion to Brahman, the wise man should repudiate it. 2 Knowing oneself to be the subject, the witness of intellect and its operations, reject the idea of the Self being other than the subject, identifying the 'I' with that (the subject). 3 Rejecting conformity with the world, the body, and the Shastras, remove superimposition on the Self. 4. The mind of the Yogin perishes as he stays without intermission in the Self alone, knowing, through reasoning, Shruti, and experience, that one is the Self of all beings. 5. Without granting for a moment even a toe-hold for sleep, gossip, verbal exchanges, etc., and selfforgetfulness, meditate on the Self in the self. 6. Casting the body far aside, the offspring of parental exudations, as its status is no better than that of an outcast, and becoming Brahman, seek fulfilment. 7. Dissolve the self in the supreme Self as the pot-space is dissolved in infinite space; then, as the Infinite be silent for ever, O sage! 8. Having become the self-luminous Substratum, as Being, reject both the macrocosm and the microcosm which are but abodes of impurities. 9. Locating the body-bound I-sense in the ever-blissful spiritual Self, renounce the subtle body; eternally be the Absolute. 10. Knowing 'I am that Brahman' in which this world appearance (exists) like a city reflected in a mirror, find fulfilment, O sinless one!
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  50. 4 points
    Part 3 21. After repudiating all objective appearances superimposed on one’s Self, one remains alone as the supreme Brahman, full, non-dual, stirless. 22. The world is a postulation, as good as non-existent, in the one Reality that is immutable, formless, unqualified; whence is difference ? 23. (In the one Reality) devoid of distinctions like the percipient, perception, and the perceived, and of all sufferings, in the absolutely full, spiritual, Self, like unto the ocean at the time of cosmic dissolution, (whence is difference) ? 24. Darkness implicit in It as in light is the cause of delusion. Whence is difference in the supreme non-dual and unqualified Reality ? 25. In this uniform and supreme Reality, how can the agent of differences dwell ? In deep sleep that is nothing but bliss who has perceived difference ? 26. This perception of difference is rooted in the mind (of the percipient); there is none of it in the absence of the mind. Therefore, concentrate the mind on the supreme Self as the subject. 27. Upon realizing the Self that is impartite bliss as one’s own essence (there follows) the savouring of the timeless bliss that is the Self, both externally and internally. 28. Of detachment the fruit is knowledge: of knowledge the fruit is withdrawal. Experience of Self as bliss leads to peace; again, peace is the fruit of withdrawal. 29. Without the consequent states, the precedent ones are fruitless, indeed. Cessation is supreme satisfaction; matchless bliss is spontaneous. 30. The expressed sense of the word tat (God) has Maya for His adjunct; He is the world-cause. He is characterised by omniscience, etc.; is tinged by transcendence, and is essentially Truth and so forth. 31. The expressed sense of the word ‘Tvam’ shines forth as the content of the idea and expression ‘I’; it is awareness blended with the mind (the inner organ of perception). 32. Only through the exclusion of Maya and avidya, the adjuncts of God and Jiva is the supreme Spirit, the impartite Being, Consciousness and Bliss, indicated. 33. ‘To listen’, thus is to pursue by means of sentences their import. On the other hand, ‘thinking’ consists in perceiving its consistency with reason. 34. ‘Meditation’ is indeed the exclusive attention of the mind fixed on (the import) rendered indubitable through listening and thinking. 35. ‘Concentration’ is said to be the mind which, outgrowing the dualism between the meditator and meditation, gradually dwells exclusively on the object (of meditation) and is like a flame in a windless spot. 36. Mind’s modifications in regard to the Self are uncognized in that state; they are (only) inferred as past, after quitting the state of Samadhi. 37. Crores of karmans, accumulated in this beginningless transmigratory life, are dissolved by means of concentration: (then) pure virtue begins to flourish. 38. The best knowers of Yoga call this concentration the cloud of virtues, since it rains the flood-waters of virtue in a thousand streams. 39-40. When the load of innate impulses is dissolved without residue by means of this (cloud of virtues) and heaps of karmans, good and evil, are totally eradicated, the major text, which at first shone forth immediately, now unobstructed, yields immediate awareness as (clear) as the myrobalan in the palm (of one’s hand). 41. The non-occurrence of the impulse (to enjoy, etc.,) in regard to the objects of enjoyment marks the acme of detachment. The highest pitch of awareness is (marked by) the non-occurrence of the egoistic sense. 42(a). The acme of withdrawal is (marked by) the non-occurrence of (even) the latent impulse (to enjoy). 42(b). He is the ascetic of steadfast wisdom who enjoys bliss for ever; 43-44(a). Whose self is merged in Brahman alone; who is immutable and quiescent. Wisdom (prajna) is defined as the unwavering spiritual mode whose content is the unity of Brahman and Atman purged (of all adjuncts). 44(b). Whosoever possesses it (wisdom) without a break is liberated in life; 45. Who has no conceit of ‘I’ in regard to body and senses; nor the conceit of objects in regard to things other than them – who is free from these two conceits in regard to anything whatsoever is liberated-in-life; 46. Who, in his wisdom, perceives no difference between the subject and Brahman; who neither refers to the creator nor creation is liberated in life. 47. Whose attitude is the same both when he is honoured by the virtuous and when he is persecuted by the wicked is liberated in life. 48. He who has realized the truth of Brahman no longer transmigrates, as hitherto; if he does, this truth has not been realized by him; he is but an extrovert. 49. As long as the experience of pleasure, etc., lasts, so long operative karmans from the past are held to persist. (Causal) actions precede the occurrence of effects; never is this unpreceded by actions. 50. Consequent on the experience ‘I am Brahman’, karmans accumulated in the course of aeons are dissolved, even as the actions in dreams are, upon waking up.
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