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  1. Sangat Jio, Bhai Amritpal Singh Khalsa Ji will be doing Prem Panda start route Takht Sahib (Amritsar) starting on 23rd November. Route is as follows: Takht Sahib Amritsar, Jandiala, Baba Bakala, Kadoor Sahib, Goindwal Sahib, Sultanpur Lodhi, Kapurthala, Kartarpur, Jalandhar, Phagwara, Bhairam, Nwa Shaer, Balachaur, Ropar and ends at Sri Anandpur Sahib. Amritpal Singh Ji is in politics and runs Waris Punjab de party. He has, so far, influenced many to take Pahul Khandeydhar Amrit and during his prachar 1000's have taken Amrit PER ONE CEREMONY!!!
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  2. There are a lot of Sikh owned restaurants here in the London area which are halal. Remember money comes first to apne. Likewise, take a walk down Southall Broadway and you will see countless Sikh owned shops selling Islamic pictures of Mecca and head scarfs. Never in a million years will you see muslims selling Sikh related items.
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  3. You're totally right, though some people on this forum disagree. There are three things about non-practicing Sikhs: 1. They will almost never mind if it's evening time and you say that you'd like to do Rehras. It's not like you're asking to do Namaz. 2. They will generally be OK with giving their kids over to go to Khalsa School or Sikhi school at the Gurdwara on Sundays. 3. When and if they're ready to be religious, it's Gurbani they will turn to, not the Koran or Bible, etc. The #1 source for new Amritdharis is former non-practicing Sikhs.
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  4. Jathedar Baba Bishan Singh ji Misal Shaheedan Tarna Dal.
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  6. I don't really believe in the western concept of dating, but if they are openly doing the 4 Bhujer Kurehits they simply aren't compatible with someone who doesn't do the 4 Bhujer Kurehits. It's easy to be friends with them, but when there isn't a compatibility spiritually; where does it actually go?
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  7. Just finds/reposts from around the internet. Usually, these guys have connects with the Dal or the Taksal so they get exclusive pictures. All das does is repost on the forum for others to enjoy
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  8. When Muslims get educated they still pump out a minimum of 3 children per woman, I've seen this at work, the only exceptions seem to be Turks and Iranians. Look at the birth rates of Muslims in Kerela the state with the highest literacy rates. They will out breed the Hindus soon and become the majority.
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  9. Young picture of Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindranwale
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  10. Indeed. The next hub of massive population growth will be Africa and we will see insane emigration from Africa as well. There will be many Africans in European/American lands in the coming decades. As long as India will be a developing country, it will still have a growing population as the birth rate isn’t as dire as European countries. European countries are doomed. Does anyone have any idea as to why Sikhs have the lowest birth rate in India? Isn’t one of our main teachings to create a family? Just a couple decades ago, our grandparents were having 8+ children, smh. Sometimes I think modernisation is a big mistake.
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  11. Anand Karaj at earlier ages instead of older ages. So what makes certain communities increase fertility rate like those in African and Muslim countries?
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  12. Infertility rates are increasing around the world Sperm counts are dropping. Post vaccine Covid, birth rates have plummeted with increased rates of still births etc (not insinuating anything here hmm..hmm.) Testosterone rates are dropping in men over the decades (apparently this is due to the increase in plastics and all those xeno-estrogens ) Currently the world population is 8 billion but I reckon this will drop in the next 50 years.
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  13. Personally, I think this can only come from a religious directive IF the religion itself is strong and hyper-focused on its own interests. Since we don't fulfil neither of these conditions, we'll follow personal or wider cultural trends which allow low birthrates.
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  14. Found this if any UK sangat is interested.
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  15. ਗੁਰਦੁਆਰਿਆਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਭੇਟਾ ਕੀਤੀ ਗਈ ਮਾਇਆ ਦੀ ਦੁਰਵਰਤੋਂ ਤਾਂ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੋ ਰਹੀ? ਅਮ੍ਰਿਤਧਾਰੀ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਪੰਥ ਬੜ੍ਹੇ ਹੀ ਮਾਣ ਨਾਲ ਇਹ ਕਹਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਅਸੀਂ ਮਹੰਤਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਗੁਰਦੁਆਰਿਆਂ ਦੇ ਕਬਜ਼ੇ ਛੁਡਵਾਏ, ਕਿਓਂਕਿ ਮਹੰਤ ਗੁਰਦੁਆਰਿਆਂ ਦੀ ਮਾਇਆ ਦੀ ਦੁਰਵਰਤੋਂ ਕਰਦੇ ਸਨ ਅਤੇ ਗੁਰਦੁਆਰਿਆਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਤੇ ਉਲਟ ਕੰਮ ਹੁੰਦੇ ਸਨ। ਸੰਭਵ ਹੈ ਇੰਝ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੋਵੇਗਾ। ਲੇਕਿਨ ਸਾਰੇ ਮਹੰਤ ਮਾੜ੍ਹੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਸਨ। ਕੇਵਲ ਕੁਛ ਮਹੰਤ ਹੀ ਗ਼ਲਤ ਸਨ ਬਾਕੀ ਦਿਆਂ ਨੇ ਤਾਂ ਬੜੇ ਸੁਚੱਜੇ ਢੰਗ ਨਾਲ ਗੁਰਦੁਆਰਿਆਂ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਬੰਧ ਸੰਭਾਲਿਆ ਅਤੇ ਸਿੱਖੀ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰ ਕੀਤਾ। ਠਾਕੁਰ ਦਲੀਪ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਪੰਥ ਨੂੰ ਸਵਾਲ ਕੀਤਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਮਹੰਤਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਗੁਰਦੁਆਰਿਆਂ ਦੇ ਕਬਜੇ ਛੁਡਾਕੇ ਜਿੰਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਅੱਜ ਅਸੀਂ ਗੁਰਦੁਆਰਿਆਂ ਦੇ ਕਬਜ਼ੇ ਦੇ ਦਿੱਤੇ ਹਨ ਕਿ ਉਹ ਸੰਗਤ ਦੁਆਰਾ ਭੇਟਾ ਕੀਤੀ ਮਾਇਆ ਦੀ ਦੁਰਵਰਤੋਂ ਤਾਂ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰਦੇ? ਕੀ ਗੁਰਦੁਆਰਿਆਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਵਿਰੁੱਧ ਕੰਮ ਤਾਂ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੋ ਰਹੇ। Amritdhari Khalsa Panth proudly states that we liberated the Gurdwaras from the Mahants because the Mahants used to abuse the Gurdwaras' money and the Gurdwaras were doing things against the Gurumat. It is possible. But not all sages were bad. Only a few mahants were incorrect; the rest effectively managed the gurdwaras and spread Sikhism. Thakur Dalip Singh ji has questioned the Khalsa Panth on whether the Mahants, to whom we have given possession of the Gurdwaras today, do not misuse the Maya money offered by the Sangat. Aren't there anti-Gurdwara activities happening? 312237968_800104471195489_8268046516900959080_n.mp4
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  16. https://www.timesnownews.com/india/kamal-naths-presence-at-khalsa-college-event-sparks-outrage-over-alleged-role-in-anti-sikh-riots-article-95386749 Sad day when people choose to celebrate Guru Nanak Prakash with awarding Sikh killers. Good job for Manpreet Singh Kanpuri for keeping our respect high.
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  17. The main thing is, the sangat there was expecting someone to step-up as they still shouted meaningless Jakare at the end. Which is an issue in of itself that people aren't willing to stand-up especially in Urban areas.
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  18. Its gross but then again so called 'Sikhs' who support kps gill etc so what do you expect..
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  19. The first lesson regarding charity that a Sikh must learn is from the first Bani, Jap ji: ਤੀਰਥੁ ਤਪੁ ਦਇਆ ਦਤੁ ਦਾਨੁ ॥ ਜੇ ਕੋ ਪਾਵੈ ਤਿਲ ਕਾ ਮਾਨੁ ॥ ਸੁਣਿਆ ਮੰਨਿਆ ਮਨਿ ਕੀਤਾ ਭਾਉ ॥ ਅੰਤਰਗਤਿ ਤੀਰਥਿ ਮਲਿ ਨਾਉ ॥ Pilgrimage, penance, compassion and charity, bring only a sesame (tiny amount) of honour (merit), if any. Whoever heartily hears, believes and loves in his mind, obtains salvation by thoroughly bathing in the shrine within himself. So, the first thing to know about charity is that no charity is above having love for God in your heart via Gurbani. Charity is useless without Gurbani. Therefore you need to sing Gurbani every day with love. Once you do that, you can give donations. If you're asking about specific charities, I would recommend asking family in Punjab and giving money to specific individuals (such as a poor Sikh whose ceiling fell in due to rain). I would recommend giving to Sikhs, not to United Way and other general charities. Those get plenty of money from Western governments and corporations, meanwhile some of our people are starving or in debt.
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  20. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-63520939
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  21. waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh, benti to mods, can my topic thread be approved?
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  22. I think the toxicity is often mental/psychological (as opposed to physical) these days i.e. abusive, coercive behaviour and language.
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  23. That's what I initially thought as well, but the person who posted it said it was Baba Kehar Singh Ji. Both Gursikhs had a similar dastar style.
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  24. you who question if Sikhs are answerable to sangat , Guru Sahiban were answerable to sangat and followed sangat's will e.g. Guru Arjan Dev ji on marriage of Hargobind Rai
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  25. @dallysingh101Seems like Singhs used to rock guns more in the past than now.
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  26. Sikhs of previous generations had to follow a rigorous regime prior to Amrit Sanchar. Sant Isher Singh Rara Sahib required Sikhs to do Jaap of Mool Mantar for 17 hours daily, for one year prior to taking Amrit Sanchar… Other Samparda required Sikhs to read and memorise large parts of Gurbani prior to Amrit Sanchar… The previous generations of Gursikhs, generally speaking, were of a stronger calibre, owing to their intense Nitnem… Waheguru???
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  27. I'd recommend it, why not get advice/blessings/bachan from GuruJi before he takes your head
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  28. Life is short, harsh and unpredictable. So don’t wait - go for it! ? You are so lucky to find Sikhi at this age ?? Stay blessed
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  29. Honestly ji if your heart is set on amrit and ur already keeping rehet, the final step would be asking permission from Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj in the form of a Hukumnama.
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  30. http://chng.it/bQLmKxkNcV We want the Akal Takht to 1. Assemble a temporary security force of 2000 Sikhs and send them to Delhi to secure the safety all protesters from attacks by the BJP and its Police Force and 2. Institute a permanent Akall Takht Security/Reilief Force to defend the weak, hungry and downtrodden. We demand the Akaal Takht Chief Giani Harpreet Singh to pick up the baton from Baba Deep Singh and Akali Phulla Singh and serve the Sikh mission from the front as his predessors did or stand aside for some that will accept this mandate. This week we have all seen scenes of terror in Delhi, the state (police) and BJP/RSS thugs have colluded to perpetrate a reign of terror and violence on protesting farmers in the Indian capital. It is no coincidence that it is Sikhs that have been subjected to the targeted violence, it is not overreaching to call this a racist act of state terrorism. Whenever minorities have stood up for their rights in India successive governments of India have used all diabolical means to vilify innocent citizens using their corrupt state sponsored media, they have tortured, raped and murdered Indian citizens belonging to minorities with impunity, this story has repeated over and over again since the inception of the ‘Republic of India’ in 1947. Minorities and decent Indians from majority communities have been attending protest rallies, signing petitions and begging foreign powers to intervene for decades and this has had no affect and current events demonstrate the cycle will not stop unless we take steps to stop it ourselves. Foreign powers including the UN will not intervene, their silence, inaction and welcoming the Indian terrorist regime into the UN inner circle is evidence of their consent. This week: 1. Delhi Police disrupted the pre-agreed Tractor Rally by blocking agreed routes and then attacked protesting citizens with tear gas, lathis and on at least two occasions with bullets to try and cause riots to provoke violence from peaceful protesters, this largely failed. 2. The Godi Media then selectively used video footage to misrepresent facts and label protesters as the cause of confrontation to malign the cause and minorities. 3. BJP and Police then transported in thugs from across the state to camps at Singhu and Tikri border where there were only largely old Sikh men and women and defenceless sewadars after most jawan protesters returned to their villages to tend to their domestic responsibilities following the tractor rally on the 26th Jan. These thugs and police began throwing stones at men, women and children and tearing down tents with elderly resting inside to try and provoke a blood bath. When the protesting citizens showed constraint in the hope the some among the police would do their duty and protect them, the police did nothing of the sort, on contrary the police and the BJP thugs turned even more violent and began attacking protesters indiscriminately. When a few jawans tried in vain to protect themselves and others, they were mercilessly beaten by the police and BJP thugs. The Godi media although present and capturing these scenes, gave another narrative; that these were "locals” and the police were trying their best to maintain order but were overwhelmed mostly by the violent protesters", the lies are ghastly and embarrassing since the truth is quickly discovered by images widely available on the net and social media. Not one of the thugs perpetrating the violence was arrested – why would they have been the police were complicit afterall. Not one comment of condemnation from the government, not one comment of concern from police leaders, again why would they organised it. When the victims have gone to the police or CBI to submit complaints they have been given the cold shoulder or ridiculed, when family member have asked for updates on the hundreds of Sikh protesters that were arrested; some of who were badly beaten – they get nothing but a ‘we don’t know’. There are hundreds of photos and videos of the police and BJP thugs jointly attacking protesters and damaging private property in the public domain, the police are not even attempting to hide their illegal acts against the Sikh minority; who are the real enemies of state and terrorists? Where is the humanity of those in power and police leaders? There have been a few isolated videos captured of policemen saying they are just doing their duty by following orders, but I’m sorry you are doing anything but your duty. You are breaking the law, desecrating the Indian constitution and most basic of human rights. 4. Punjab Police is co-operating with Delhi Police forces despatched to Punjab to intimidate and arrest Punjabi citizens that have demonstrated their constitutional right to protest. At the same time Captain Amrinder Singh puts out statements that he supports the farmers, yet then instructs his Police force to support the BJP despatched Delhi Police to in their attempt to spread fear amongst Punjabi farmers. 5. On 29th Jan Delhi Police and BJP thugs protested outside the Sri Sis Ganj Gurdwara in Delhi, what has the gurdwara goers here got to do with the protest other than sharing same faith, this is evidence of racism on part of the police and BJP. That aside the Gurdwara is built on the site where Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji was beheaded to protect the Hindu faith from conversion by Mughals, the BJP respect nothing and nobody. This is not the first gurdwara to be attacked by fascist factions of the majority community. Gurdwara Gian Godri in Haridwar, Gurdwara Mangu Mutt in Puri and Gurdwara Dangmar in Sikkim are Gurdware associated with Guru Nanak Dev Ji that have been attacked or demolished by Indian Facists, we cannot and should not expect anybody but ourselves to protect ourselves. The response from the Sikh leadership to these attacks were nothing but a few words in the media or despatching representatives to the sites to write reports or appeal for better treatment. We Sikhs are loyal subjects of India; we gave more blood than anyone to create this great nation and continue to do so at the borders. Our Gurughars as are our hearts are open to everybody, feeding the world is one of our key missions in life, and still you treat us worse then you treat stray dogs. But we are not cowards and we know how to defend the weak, our Gurus and great leaders of years gone by have given us lessons on what to do when a great tyranny bears down on the poor and meek. Our gurus gave us the two swords of Miri and Piri to defend the rights of the downtrodden and to fight evil. Our 1st Patshah taught us all humans are equal in the eyes of our lord, the 5th Patshah gave us unwavering strength in the face of great oppression and the gift of martyrdom, the 6th Patshah the malik of the two swords of Miri and Piri taught us self-defence and bestowed upon every peasant sovereignty so that we never accept the dictates of barbaric regimes such as the current one, they also gave us the Akal Takht, a temporal high seat for Sikhs to organise ourselves under as a nation, the 9th Patshah taught us to sacrifice our heads for others rights, our Dasam Patshah taught each of us to stand and fight to the last man even if there 125,000 blood thirsty terrorists ahead of each of us. Unfortunately, in modern times the so-called leaders of our great institutions of the Khalsa have become subservient to their political paymasters, the paymasters who appoint and brush aside leaders of Sikh sansthas at will. But now in the face of great tyranny the Khalsa must awaken and show our Guru we are alive, breathing and not forgotten their lessons. The Badal Dal appointed Mukh Sewadar of the Akal Takht now has the opportunity to legitimise his claim as Jathedar of the Akal Takht, that seat that belonged to great Sikhs and generals such as Baba Deep Singh and Akali Phulla Singh, he must do as they would and give a direct response to the darkness of this regime. A meek statement here or there will not cut it. Your Mandate: As an urgent and temporary response the Guru Roop Khalsa demand you to assemble and employ a temporary security force of 2000 saint soldiers and deploy them to defend the honour of our quam by guarding the protest camps from further attacks and atrocities at the hands of the Delhi hakumat. Further to this we mandate you to institute a 500 strong full-time employed security/relief force to work under instruction of Akal Takht to stand in defiance to any future acts of terror, to provide relief in events of natural disasters, to the poor and downtrodden across the nation and protect Gurughars from attack, after all this is part of the Khalsa mission. At the moment you are doing nothing to justify your seat at the Great Akal Takht; as said before half-hearted comments you are making are not enough, you have access to all the power and resources of the Khalsa Panth; use them to protect and progress the Sikh Mission. The Akal Takht relief/security force (ATSRF) must be physically and mentally strong, live and breathe gurmat and be both elite men and women recruited from across the globe. These warriors must be organised into specialist disciplines as any elite security force would i.e. engineer, medics, cooks, martial arts, logistics, IT, strategy and conflict management etc and be educated at the best training centres in the world. The Akal Takht SRF must be humble, disciplined Gursikhs that have no ambitions for power or to increase personal property but only but only to serve the Gurus mission, a charter would be written for the SRF to live and adhere to. Sikhs from across the world will aspire to join this security force; only then will we get back on the road to producing the next Akali Phulla Singh. There will be 500 paid specialists and no doubt lakhs will volunteer to support. The inception of the Akal Takht security/relief force is not an act of provocation or challenge to the central government for power; all power belongs to Akal Purakh. ATSRF’s mission would be that mandated by Guru Nanak Dev Ji; feed the hungry, defend the downtrodden. It will be a thorn in the side of a tyrant and an asset to any just and progressive regime We have been betrayed far too often by the central government, its police, its army and by our own leaders. Yet you keep making limp appeals pleading for the government to reason. No more! Lions do not beg! Act on this instruction or move aside for another more worthy to initiate this mandate – remember the Akal Takht does not answer to the SGPC cronies or Badal Dal, Akal Takht is only answerable to Akal Purakh and SGGSJI following which the Guru Roop Khalsa Panth. Benti to all Sikhs please support this petition as a declaration of your will, no honest Sikh will ever see this mandate anything other than an attempt to promote the Sikh mission, we have been left with no alternative. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
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  31. Finally someone proposing a solution. To everybody else, why would the government of India openly clamp down on a higly trained relief group living and breathing gurmat? The primary purpose would be to support in relief efforts (a la Khalsa Aid) therefore win support of masses where they attend - they would feed the hungry enmasse. Some of u have assumed I've proposed an army. There was no mention of automated weapons, or warfare, a presence of volunteers strategically protecting protesers doesn't mean combat.... the government have used baracades to keep protesters in, why wouldn't we covertly suggest to protesers how best to keep themselves least exposed. Open armed combat will mean only onething, alienation and bloodshed for Sikhs. What im suggesting is smarter. Yes its maybe a be a pipe dream... but you have to have a goal to begin with, 40%-50% realisation of the pipe dream is better then diddly squat. Call it fantasy if u want... rss rule and israel was also a pipedream... c'mon chill on the negativity and sell the dream... its all im suggesting... Push the petition and raise awareness of the dream, or don't.... other than a bit of ridicule what have u to lose?
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  32. It's not our country, bro. Their leaders don't recognise our Guru Sahibs as an authority. The Akal Takhat is not a Vatican-esque state within a country. You know that.
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  33. Guru sahabian sanctioned alot of things that Sikhs are not implementing these days, carrying weapons is also mandatory to fight tyranny and oppressors but in today's world anyone who does is easily labeled a terrorist even if he fighting the overwhelming overt terrorism of the powerful state. Also there is a reason Akal takht hasn't created a force already. You got to remember the last time this was tried was in 1980s and the akal takht was attacked and destroyed the indian regime blamed it for darbar sahib having "anti-nationals" so called "khalistani's" sheltering there. The chess pieces were put in place so that akal takht would be attacked no matter who was there, they just needed their useful pawns in place. 1840s was the last time the Khalsa were an effective fighting force and the british invaders attacked the akal takht to silence and subdue Sikh political and military force for once and for all. Sri Akal takht sahib the sovereign sikh parliament and political voice of the Sikhs, was the real target in 1984 this is why thatchers and indira's governments colluded that time. It was not to get sant bhindranwale or other armed defenders of darbar sahib, exactly because of this reason it was attacked with tanks and destroyed rather than block it off and just have regular police bring a seige to end issue peacefully. The operation blue star attack was to send a message to the Sikh community worldwide that RSS hindu extremists within Indian establishment controls everything within its borders including Sikh religious and political institutions. Anyone daring to setup outside its authority or question hindu castist supreme authority would get dealt with by genocide and indian state terrorism. Therefore creating such a force even for defence and protection would in all probability invite an indian state terrorist attack from new delhi along with huge propaganda campaign against Sikhs in india is being naive at best. The hindus have their religious protection forces such as RSS along with offshoot groups like kranti sena, ram sena, shiv sena, bajrang dal, bheem sena, etc. Who can easily have access to modern arms via the indian army and police. Also they have their members embed in these institutions so they have all the advantage against minorities. Creating such a Sikh defence force will need to be thought through very carefully and get political backing from the western governments and within punjab. This will require intelligent lobbying by high IQ well respected Sikh leaders basing it on facts of how indian state terrorism has effected Sikhs since 1947 and currently they are not being protected by institutions of the state in a so called democracy.
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  34. It is sanctioned and expected by our guru sahiban, our history is quite clear on this. If we dont believe this it is a shame on us. When u say unsactioned whose blessing are u expecting/seeking? The authority bestowed on the Akal Takht isn't for debate, it isn't being utilised.. We are under attack already, how much weaker do we want to get before regrouping? A counter proposal would be nice?
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  35. Not knocking the initiative, but the creation of an unsanctioned armed religious force (call it security, whatever) within the borders of a hostile host nation is impossible. The Akal Takhat has neither the power nor the will to do it, and India would view it as a 5th column entity that must be destroyed before any potential uprising can be organised.
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  36. I think your misunderstanding, the point of the petition is to create awareness amongst Sikhs on the streets. If we don't publicly debate these suggestions how are the guys at the bottom going to know what solution to rally behind. No one here is naive enough to think it will spark the conscience of the fake leadership into action. The suggestion above is one people from all political backgrounds can support, if im wrong please offer your scrutiny, its all i ask ??
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  37. +the Khalsa is a standing army, if a structured leadership was there 100's of thousands would mobilise under it. A highly skilled core of 500 would be able to mobilise the khalsa most effectively.
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  38. If u agree with the concept please push the petition. This petition is about reawakening and creating awareness of the correct and most practical purpose of AT. Events in Delhi make it relevant right now...
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  39. Gupt, All I can say is that you do simran with your lips and tongue, as you progress this goes inwards and you repeat AkaalPurkhs name with just your lips moving with no noise. Further on it all goes internal and you start simran with your surti. It goes inwards and upwards. You go into a state of total stillness. You can remain like this for ages and you feel this total stillness and calmness. Then you wait for Guru Ji to appear. This is up to them when they do, you have no control on this. You wait in naam for your Guru. Total blissness anf calmness, this is the route. I am sceptical of all this rolling around and screaming. Whether they are gaining any benefit or not I cannot say, I will not speak ill of them but personally I would avoid them.
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  40. I took amrit when i was 10. By the time i was 10 i could do my entire Nitnam. Age is not what matters but love for your Guru.
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