TanRaj

Dear only five,

no offence but your arguments are weak even though you have tried to thoroughly disect my posts above....I asked for evidence but nothing could be shown to back up your false claims as Sikhism was never slandered. 

You asked me above, where am I getting all this information from? Anything I have written is openly taught in Darshan Das Ji's spiritual discourses so not really top secret information. 

His followers are taught to be good humans. So if your Hindu be a good Hindu, if your Sikh be a good Sikh etc ... There is nothing wrong with Darshan Das Ji's approach which encourages us to live under one umbrella that is Humanity. 

I have no doubts in my heart or mind about my beliefs and neither am I niave. I am very content within my spiritual life and like I said the Almighty is the only One that can judge me.

Tanraj

GPS,

I believe it essentially boils down to spirituality and that spirituality is the true path to the Almighty not 'religion'. All religions have the same ultimate aim at the end of the day - God and whether we recite Allah, Ram or Waheguru etc - we will all end up as one with our Supreme via a true spiritual path. Darshan das Ji's following includes Sikhs, hindus, Muslims and Christians who for there own reasons enjoy Darshan Das Ji's spiritual approach.

Darshan das Ji's teachings are in essence teaching me how to be a better spiritual human being to reach my spiritual goal. You may have a different thought on this but that doesn't make me right and you wrong and vice versa.

I don't want to upset or offend other members in this thread with my approach but feel that I have a right to defend my belief, just like others have done so.

The Almighty Nanak is the true Judge and I will leave it that.

Nanak naam Chardi kala Tere bhane sarbat da bhala

peace xxx

Dear khalistanigunman,

I am not interested in getting into a heated discussion with you. You have ur set beliefs and I have mine. I'll leave it at that and hope that your are happy along your spiritual path.

God bless us all

SGGSJ is not just for the Sikhs to read and practice. Anyone can read it and enjoy the knowledge and lessons to be learnt in order lead a spiritually fulfilling life. Darshan Das Ji is not twisting anything, he simplifies it so that you can practically embed the teachings in your everday life. He teaches from the Geeta, teaches us lessons from the Bible and talks about some amazing stories from the Quaran. We don't have hindu's and muslim's opposing this practice as it's simply non offensive.

You say Darshan Das Ji was 'punished' by the Khalsa. No, he was immorally killed because Man decided take matters into his own hands. There was no spiritual awakening rec'd by the cold blooded killers manjit and rajinder to carry out such an immoral task...it's not Khalsa, it's man who took it in his own hands to commit such an unforgivable act. You use the Khalsa as an excuse to glorify this act and make people believe that this was God's will. Sadly this isn't true and Nanak himself will punish those who slander his messangers.

Army of god?? Please! Let's not be silly and refer to cold blooded killers as 'army of god'...like I said it's 'Man's' decision to pick up arms not God's will. Pls don't tarnish God's name in this way.

Dear southall youth,

it's sad to see someone with so much anger embedded in them. If this is what you are taught, then I'm happy I am not on the same path to spirituality as you....and you call yourself a 'Sikh'. I don't think I expect anything more from someone with such an immature frame of mind so I will refrain from stooping to your low low level and ignore any future comments from you, as my Guru has taught me better than that.

Kind regards.

To my fellow Brothers and Sisters,

I have been following Darshan Das for over 30 years and I cannot believe some of the offensive comments posted on this reputable site. In response to the people who have said these things, you feel defensive and angry if anyone insults SGGSJ or any of the Sikh Guru's right? Well i too feel very upset and offended by what is written about Maharaz Darshan Das Ji especially when ALL the things written are lies and made up.

It seems as though you have heard 'in passing' such stories and choose to believe what you hear. But how can you say such things by just 'hearing stories' and choosing to insult another's belief? You have simply copied and pasted this from SikhWiki which is a PERFECT example of simply believing anything that you read....so thank you for proving that point.

This is what his Darshan Das has done to be **:

Darshan Das was not punished for talking against the freedom movement; he was punished for the following reasons:

 He called himself the true and last guru; - he never called himself a Guru (his followers have given him this title which simply translates as 'teacher'. also he NEVER claimed to be the last guru....this is utter rubbish. he made mockery of the Sikh Gurus and the great Shaheeds of the Khalsa Panth. - also untrue. Darshan Das Ji only ever spoke highly of the SGGSJ and other SIkh Guru's. He wasn't pro Khalistan however. He referred to himself has Guru Nanak Dev Ji. - also untrue. Darshan Das Ji claimed that Nanak is the true Guru and held a very very high respect for Guru Nanak Dev Ji.

 He sat higher than Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Granth Sahib Maharaaj, - NOT true no satkhar (respect) was given to Guru Maharaj, - also NOT true and he distorted Gurbani and made people believe that he was the true savior. - we believe that he was a messenger from God...he never claimed to be 'the true saviour' - seriously where do you get these stories from?

 He preached that Sikhs and Sikhi do not exist, - how can anyone deny that SIkhs and Sikhi doesn't exist....this is the silliest thing I have ever heard and in fact encourages me more to believe that someone was really 'clutching at straws' when someone made up this story about Darshan Das Ji and that Sikhs are a mixture of Hindus and Muslims, - also not true we should all be clean shaven and wear white turbans with white dhotis and we should all have a red tilak on our fore heads. - 1st three comment are also not true except the tilak. there is nothing wrong with this as it refers to bravery and denotes the spiritual 3rd eye...this is not offensive to anyone so why make it an issue?

 He destroyed hundreds of families in desperate need, - not true, desperate need for what? with trickery and by using standard magic tricks and black magic. - never seen this in my 30 years..again false claims. Families where broken up and women began to abandon their children to live with him and his bodyguards. - again my mum never abandoned me, neither did my other female relatives abandon their children. total rubbish this last comment...again one person who is anti Darshan Das has come up with a fantasy story about 'living with his him and his bodyguards'

 Bullying, - not true intimidation, rape - wow such a false accusation and black mail - not true was used by him and his followers to extort money and stop people leaving. - also untrue. seems as though people will go to any lengths to slander another's belief. I feel very disappointed that you all claim to be true sikhs yet slander and degrade another's belief with filthy thoughts in your untrue mind and words out of your mouth.

I think we should take a step back as we all know how it feels to have our Guru's insulted and mocked. I can 1000% guarantee what i have written above. I kindly request you to stop insulting Darshan Das Ji as it offends and upsets me. there is no need for you to feel offended as Darshan Das Ji NEVER said anything bad about Sikhi. if you can find written or video evidence that proofs otherwise, let's see it and why don't you PLEASE try and back up your claims from the past 25 + years.

so far we have only ever HEARD the 'wrong' Darshan Das Ji did via rumours. there is no single piece of evidence (not even a tiny drop) that backs the accusations made against Darshan Das Ji, and I have researched the internet a lot but never found any visual or audio proof provided by those against Darshan Das.

these are modern times people and it's not easy to hide anything anymore, as the internet can communicate any information in seconds ....but I ask you this...if your claims are true and Darshan Das is as evil as you say he is, we would have seen the truth come out eventually right? (leaks on the internet showing visual or audio evidence). it never has been shown because it has all been made up, false rumours. His sangat has grown because there is something true, honest and spiritual that no-one can deny. I guess some will see this and others won;t. that's totally fine but please don't come out with your 'i heard this and he did this' because it's boring now....the same 'accusations' for so many years...let's change the record and live and let live.

we are all humans with red blood flowing through our bodies. Ek Onkar, so please as children of God let's get on to make this world a better and more peaceful place to live in.

Nanak Naam Chardi Kala Tere Bhane Sarbat Da Bhala.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh