SukhdevSinghMedare

you would think sukhdev being a doctor he would know cigarettes and booze would be bad for ones health.

Kid I am not a Doctor, Iam sure they would not discuss this with you they are busy saving lives!

Mr Madare, talking about honesty...are there any other people huddled around your computer helping you with these manmat posts? Are you sure you are not surrounded by other alcoholic and cigarette smoking men (who do this on Guru Ji's land). Maybe even some alcoholic and tabacco taking committee members??

Just one man debating with many and not trying to guess what you others are doing, unlike yourself

Please could you all nominate one person to discuss, as I cannot debate with over 10 People.

I feel Mr B Singh is the best at dialectic reasoning.

If someone is old and wants to drink alcohol and smoke on Guru Ji's land, then explaining to them PEACEFULLY, that Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj has clearly told us not to is not disrespecting them, it's only educating them in Gurmat.

You just added smoking into this matter and thats not allowed in most buildings anyway.

Mr Medare (a strong supporter of drinking and smoking on Guru Ji's land

Did I really say I strongly support it?You lie Good Sikh

I was angry with my friend:

I told my wrath, my wrath did end.

I was angry with my foe:

I told it not, my wrath did grow.

And I watered it in fears

Night and morning with my tears,

And I sunned it with smiles

And with soft deceitful wiles.

And it grew both day and night,

Till it bore an apple bright,

And my foe beheld it shine,

And he knew that it was mine,--

lol lol lol

Very Intelligent input for the brave Sikh who hides his name

Yo geeza

Is that how Sikhs address older brothers these days

but you are the only person who is in opposition to everyone else. I cannot think why it has taken someone who has lived away from Dudley for 20 years, lives over a hundred miles away, and who only heard about this issue on the weekend, to be the only person to oppose this.

Why call it discussion forum if we all take one side?

Perhaps we should call it "Forum for statements only"

I had to reply to each comment ,over forty posts ,It does not matter who is right ,only that we discuss it properly.

I'm not for Mass and Sharaab,

I'm for respecting Committee's

"I trust the committee ,they are very good Sikhs"

All i want to know is, why is it that you feel this way? Hos did you come to this conclusion? By answering this question, you will clarify your stance and it will lead to people understanding you better. Because the majority on here do not believe the above statement to be true, so, because you are from Dudley and you made the above statement, you really have the power to shed some light and open peoples eyes. Please engage in discussion with me.

Dear Learned Sir,

I defend the instituition and do not know who is in charge,there will always be opinions on them either way in anycase ,I do not like to engage in politics.

I could not believe anyone would overide the lawful authority given to a committee by its Sangat.

I see goodness in the honourable position itself regardless of who occupies it,or you could say I respect them ,for the sake of respect itself.

Even a gulity man is assumed innocent and given an advocate to defend him

from the number of your posts today it appears you have spent your day behind your keyboard even though you refuse to state your position on whether you believe meat and alcohol should be served on gurdwara premises

Dear Bhaji

One day in my 40 years life I decided to spend trying to defend the good name of my Gurdwara.

When I read the comments about my Gurdwara it hurt just as if I said your Pind in India was a dump.

Its still remains your pind ,even if you do not live there now !

For someone who claimed to be a doctor, this guy seems to find an awful lot of time during the working day to reply to posts on this message board!! No wonder the health service is in such a mess! I wonder what the BMA would say!

Read what I claimed properly young man, then comment please ,

May I also say this seems to be a very welcoming forum indeed, really shows your hearts are tender like butter.

He loves only to slander others.

He bears vengeance against the Lord who is free of vengeance.

You are all slandering us here on this forum. I don,t see anybody from Dudley Gurdwara saying anything,and your protest seems in vengeance to the transfer of the Centre.

"In spite of difference of soil and climate, of language and manners, of laws

and customs, in spite of things silently gone out of mind and things violently

destroyed, the Poet binds together by passion and knowledge the vast empire of

human society, as it is spread over the whole earth, and over all time. The

objects of the Poet's thoughts are every where; though the eyes and senses of

man are, it is true, his favorite guides, yet he will follow wheresoever he can

find an atmosphere of sensation in which to move his wings. Poetry is the first

and last of all knowledge--it is as immortal as the heart of man."

--William Wordsworth

"I AM Dudley sangat."

If I had known brother, I would have joined in on the last thread,

If you represent Dudley ,then why do you need outside help to make changes?

Dudley Sangats representatives should be allowed to control that which is within their mandate.

Thats what I feel,its a liberal opinion I know .

Please don't call me mate ,Iam not your mate!

Sukhdev Singh Medare, I want to say thank you to you for showing me just how necessary this protest is.

You are just upset that you did not know what subsidiarity meant!

That is forty replies ,I shall look at you all sitting in heaven one day .(from my seat in Hell).

I'm not saying non-turban wearing Sikhs cannot be Sikhs, but our Guru ji tells us dastaar is compulsory, so a Sikh must follow his Guru's Hukams.

Pray for me brother,for I fall short of the entry requirements.

[sAYING THE ABOVE, are you even a Sikh? Guru Gobind Singh Ji says: "Rehni Rahae, So-ee Sikh Mera. Oh Sahib, Mae Us Ka Chaera".

If rehni means turban ,no I'm not, I'm the dirt under the feet of a real Sikh,I was real once but I sinned with or without turban.

"if i asked you to give me your shop for £1 would you not be angry?you don't live in dudley and haven't for 20 years, words by a none turbanned singh"

Why do feel hurt no one is trying to rob Guru Ji ,ultimately how can the Creator of the Cosmos be robbed ,or insulted for that matter?

I'm a non turbanned singh,but my deedsl will be weighed ,and that before God ,not you.

Yes twenty years have passed I do not know the workings day to day,I just feel its a matter for Dudley Sangat

Sorry if it seemed patronising,it was just my thoughts on it.

While you carry on doing Guruji's beadbi? Sorry doesnt work that way

I understand your sentiment,but no one is doing anything of the sort,does anyone that devotes himself to doing seva really to do that.

Please come and see where the Centre is in relation to the Gurdwara.

Bhaji

I hope you speak for Satkaar as a whole,

Everyone hear thinks I advocate drinking ,it's not the case, I feel that we should be liberal,if the order says not on Guru ji land, then that has been attended to,why protest?

Please if you have to protest,please respect my elders, they are doing what they think is right,no one ever joins a Gurdwara to do beadbi.

If Sikhs disrespect other Sikhs ,it cannot be good for our faith.

Meeting 3: This was again going to be arranged by the police, though the committee said they did not want to meet the Gurdwara leaders.

They have listened by not allowing the Hall to be in the same name,why do they need the police,is it because you are intimidating them,imposing your views on them .

The majority imposing there will or there interpretation of conventions to be adhered to ,on the minority is not quite right.

Please bring Baajas, Tablas & chimtey so the sangat can do kirtan and focus on the feet of Guruji!

Please could you focus on him in your own home ,or place of worship ,instead of travelling to us ,thanks

By the way Clubwala Sukhdev Medare is anything, but innocent!!!!! (as you can clearly see from his posts).

Medare, thanks for exposing the thinking of those men like you who want to organise drinking on Guru Ji's land. All Sikhs can now see that you, and the other men, in support of drinking on Guru Ji's land, clearly do not have any understanding of Gurmat!!! Thank you ! Thank you! Thank you!

Dear wise brother

I'm not saying drink or don,t drink ,I'm saying it should be sorted locally by those who use the Community centre and not by bored anti liberal Sikhs like yourself.

Hanji - it is most important that it remains peaceful. These people at Dudley, as they did at Grays, will try to provoke the sangat into a reaction for which they will then seek to label the sangat as extremist Sikhs. Let's not fall for their games. Being disciplined and showing Gursikh virtues and values will send a much more powerful message, than indiscipline, swearing and shouting at the Dudley committee.

Do you consider turning up to Gurdwara's in large numbers as being liberal?

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Dear Satkaar

May I request that you persuade through dialogue ,not coerce through intimidatory tactics like enlisting large numbers of people!

They have tried to appease you by transferring ownership ,yet you still pressure them.

I do not support any particular activity,I feel this is a matter for Dudley,not Coventry or West Bromwich .

If you are lions why do you need large numbers Lions don,t do this be brave speak leaders to leaders.

Thankyou

No disrespect meant by earlier comments

Dear Sir

The Jathedar of Sri Akal Takhat Sahib. He personally spoke about Dudley Gurdwara too. I suppose in relative terms, you could compare his standing to the head of the Vatican Church, The Pope.

The community centre is not in the Gurdwara's name ,I myself only saw his PA talk

as for standing, I see no one that is higher than another.

We are all sinners, if there is an exam to pass and the end of this life, we shall all fail ,

the only question is by how much.

Iam tired now , I did what I could for the name of my Gurdwara not for the committee

Peace

You must have a very pure stomach but don't forget its your soul that counts