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No it is not ridiculous.

Just because it has been going on at Hazur Sahib for ages does not make it right.

Killing animals is killing animals.

Some for consumption and Hazur Sahib for ritualistic tilak.

As a Takht it has more influence and should be stopped.

steelman, if you believe the things that are happening at hazur sahib to be so wrong, why dont you go stop it then?

So easy to sit at desk at type saying we should do this and we should do that. What happened in dudley was required as police made us beleive there was no party going on and at the time and the sangat were doing chaupi sahib patth. the door opened to the side and we saw people inside with music loud as hell. the men from the party came out and said things i will not repeat and cannot be tolerated at all.

this is not over yet, but this will certainly send a message to all who are considering holding such events ata gurudwara or gurudwara owned premises.

what i cant understan is why our own being are not united on these issues, for once stand together.

bhai sahib enough Gurdwareh Committess advocate community centres usage for parties..how many of them are you going to go round trashing,

let me ask you a question and anyone please answer this, at 6pm today if the committee refused to agree to your demands then what would you have done?

the committee had refused to agree to the sangat's demands when they took booze on the premisis, at that point they became masands, and we all know what happened to the masands......

i personally think violence should not have been used

How much more discussion can you have when they're having a nach tapp in the hall. discussions went on for a full month and media raised it on tv and radio. how much more discussion do you want.....

I didn't condemn them outright. I suggested the matter could've been handled a bit differently. Of course I'm glad the beadbi is over. Which right-minded Sikh wouldn't be relieved the weird stuff going on in that centre has come to an end?

Also, there's nothing wrong with sitting on chadaran doing simran and kirtan. It's actually a pretty decent thing to do. What I'm concerned about is the situation going forward from here. I guess only time will tell.

I'm not the enemy here. If you did what you felt was right at the time, then fair play to you. I personally think Satkaar has been undermined. We need the support of the wider community in issues like these. We don't want people to fear us. That's my opinion on the situation.

Can i ask, how many morchai or protests have you attended in your time in seva?i can tell you with waheguru ji's blessing i have been fortunate to stand against tyranny and anti gurmat. In the past many protests were done peacefully, the people responsible stopped it for the day and then carried on again and again. its been years like this. there is a limit to everything. It is not about hooliganism, this was not the case paji that a mob attacked building etc random, it is that after a months of discussion and dialogue, many requests from sangat and organisations, they refused to acknowledge that this is against sikh dharam and akaal takhat has made this clear. now the sikhs can only tolerate so much, they have taken amrit and given there heads to dasmesh paatshah, to follow the way of the khalsa to uproot evil and follow guru nanak sahib ji's fessla, ' jo toh prem kilin ka chaoi, sir tar tali gali meri ayo, eth maraag pahar tariyai sir dijai kaan na kijai'

under hari singh nalwa, there was zero tolerance of crime either against faith or nation. I ask, where is that pride in the panth? that there is a zero tolerance on these matters..........

This is not a scrutiny to you Singh ji, rather I challenge the wider sikh community to take more responsibility to the Gurudwara's in there respective areas. I am sure that this day will sit well in the minds of those who intend on doing something similar again........... Slowly but surely the sleeping nation is waking........please find below images taken out of the gurudwara building after the action.

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Like I said, tell that to Satkaar.

I know you're buzzing but you really don't know me else you wouldn't come out with that kind of rubbish. Sleep it off, big boy. Don't let the euphoria get to your head.

thats the whole point, you dont know anyone but your quick to condemn the action as if your high and mighty. you need to wake up and acknowledge that what they did actually worked.

Keep your balls to yourself, friend. Pat yourself on the back you did good. I look forward to an escalation of violence. Then we'll see if violence will indeed solve issues like these.

Tell Satkaar they're ball-less because they asked for a peaceful protest. Tell them they haven't got the guts to get things done. You don't know me. Don't let the dizzying emotion of victory go to your head.

Ha if it were upto people like you, everyone would be sitting on chaddarraan outside doing simran whilst people inside were sessioning and dancing. Where would this situation have got to if those singhs didnt force their way in? You like sitting behind computers telling people how it should be done. your ideals are not realistic in the real world. you hold your own community back

If that's what it takes to provoke us, then we've lost already.

You obviously didnt have the balls to come down yourself, what this news tells us is that violence solved this issue today, not peace. sometimes the ideal way doesnt work and the victory needs to be forced. Thank god for the singhs that went down today and showed force.