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when i said masands i didnt mean the singh sahibs everybody knows they dont make the decisions its the sgpc and akalis that make the decisions with directive from sarkar they are the true masands.

i actually feel sorry for singh sahib joginder singh he has been given the privelage to be jathedar but he hasnt got it in him to perform as he should be

the fact is all 3 singh sahibs from panjab will be in the hazoori of dhan sri guru granth sahib ji along with sri dasam guru granth sahib ji in just a few months at the 300 saalaa. ghor andhar you have admitted you wont do anything lets see if our singh sahibs can stop the parallel prakash at takht sri abchal nagar sach khand sri hazoor sahib

there is prakash of dasam guru granth sahib ji at many gurdware, will singh sahib joginder singh excomunicate budha dal, tarna dal, bidhi chand dal, damdami taksal and even worse 2 takht sahibs from the panth

also there is a lot about sgpc maryada especially from ghor andhar, as the name suggests he is in the dark so should go to sri darbar sahib there is a jot that is lit inside it might bring some light to him! (but i though lighting jot is against sgpc maryada! lol )

true sikh maryada will always prevail even if we have masands making all decisions.

The five takhats were not involved in the decision making so the sandesh fails.

singh sahib iqbal singh was right to excomunicate darshan because he spoke against dasam guru granth sahib ji

singh sahib joginder singh is just a puppet of sarkar and wasn't even chosen as jathedar per maryada he didnt have the sikhee inside3 of him to uphold that decision

then the great "bahadari" of keeping singh sahib iqbal singh out of the meeting

all this is being done to undermine the 300 salaa at Takht sri abchal nagar hazoor sahib, wher dasam guru granth sahib ji will be prakash next to sri guru granth sahib ji and a hukam will be taken from dasmesh pita as well as the sikhs guru sri guru granth sahib ji.

by the way singh sahib kulwant singh was not chosen by maharashter govt he was chosen by the sangat.

Just been listening to the katha. Just one word for it. AMAZING!!!!

By the way does Akali Baba Sukha Singh post on this site?

If he doesn't it would be good if he could, just like other message boards where they have a resident gian vaan gursikh who can answer all questions related to sikhi

I would like to do a benti in the charan of Akali Baba Sukha Singh if he doesent already, that he start posting on this message board answering questions. Lets as a sangat request him to do this, and because gursikhs dont refuse the bentis of the sadhsangat, I am sure he will. Guru Kirpa Kare.

there was a cult that started many years ago

they japped a lot of naam

they focused only on nirgun saroop and discarded darshan of sargun saroop

a lot of sikhs joined them

after some time they attacked the panth, they are called nirankaris

Fine if you want to believe you can but just be careful and guru kirpa they wont attack the panth

it is clear in my mind that tarmala jatha isnt really khalsa panth as i said earlier Guru Gobind Singh Jee says the first rehat is to take khande ki pahul on the path to become sant sipahi. this jatha says you become sant first and only take amrit to become sipahi.

i met people from non sikh backrounds in india who were happy just to be "sants" and not take amrit and tarmala jatha didnt push them to because it was their choice whether they wanted to be sipahis

again i would like to state i am not sure how swindon jatha works, my experiences are soley from india tarmala jatha

can someone please explain why tarmala jatha teach you to concentrate on the sounds in your ears in one of their jugtis, the sounds which is air vibrating in our ears and not anhad shabad as i was told it was. they told me to stop reciting waheguru shabad because i gained anhad shabad avastha

also they teach you rom rom dhiavey jugti. this is not a jugti but an avastha that a gurmukh reaches

i was given a direct phone number to Bhai Seva Singh who could give me darshan of Guru Gobind Singh by talking to him over the phone! it obviously didnt work

i never bothered getting involved with swindon jatha and dont know too much about it but what i have said are my direct experiences with tarmala jatha in india

the first rehat in sikhi is khande ki pahul as Guru Gobind Singh Jee says

this is not the first step in the tarmala jatha

in simple terms sikhi is not about concentrating on lights and sounds its about concentrating on naam

this is where i feel the tarmala jaths falls away from sikhi.

there are other things i could say and that i have experienced with this jatha but i think most of you will get offended.

i have done sangat with tarmala sikhs from india,

they are using yogi jugtis to open dasam duar which the sidhs have done

using their jugtis you start hearing sounds and seeing lights this is what they call anhad shabad or darshan of akaal. it actually isnt and they are stuck because the still have panj chor within them because they stop reciting waheguru naam and only focus on these sounds which again isnt sikhi.

they dont believe in guru ji as "god" but only as gian and they dont really believe seva can get you anywhere spiritually which is a big part of sikhi

if you spend time doing their courses you may have some spiritual experiences (lights and sounds!) but you wont eradicate punj chor and will be stuck taking ras from lights and sounds which are nothing really in sikhi spirituality

has the sikh panth become more chardi kala since 1469 or has it become tendi kala

vote in the poll and give reasons

we can then discuss reasons (on new threads) building on positives, and try to find solutions to eradicate negatives

lets try and veiw this from our level stating positives/negatives in our communities

nwo is right, not enough jeevan vale gursikhs

young bibian with dastaran who do kirtan at rainsabais and progs generally these days cut eyebrows

and a lot of singh singhnees make there own marriages these days (ie they go out with each other before marriage)

these are issues we face today but we dont try and tackle them because most of us are part of these problems

if 'gursikhs' are like this what do we expect from others