sikhlionz

Dear Mr. Singh

Thank you for your fax correspondence to the Mayor received on 4th April 2009. I have been asked to respond on his behalf.

The Mayor is concerned to hear about the arson attack on the Sikh Gurdwara temple and the effects that it has had on the local Sikh community.

The Mayor is the Chair of the Metropolitan Police Authority (MPA) and, as your correspondence relates to a policing matter, it has been passed to the MPA to provide a response direct to you. The MPA has a responsibility for ensuring that the Metropolitan Police Service is efficient, effective and fair.

The MPA aims to reply to correspondence within 20 days, and will inform you if they are unable to respond within this period. If you have any queries please contact Yvonne Peart, Information Officer, MPA, 10 Dean Farrar Street, London, SW1H ONY or email: enquiries@mpa.gov.uk.

Yours sincerely,

Mary John-Baptiste

Senior Policy & Projects Officer, Community Safety Team

Communities and Intelligence

GREATERLONDONAUTHORITY

anyone else feel like they're being given the run around?

Dear Mr Singh,

Thank you for your faxed letter of 6 April 2009.

It may be helpful if I explain that the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) and the police are separate authorities. The CPS is responsible for reviewing and, where appropriate, prosecuting most criminal cases in England and Wales following an investigation by the police. The CPS is also responsible for providing legal advice to the police about cases, although we cannot provide legal advice to members of the public.

The CPS is not an investigative body and has no power to investigate allegations of crime. Therefore, when a criminal offence has been committed, it should be reported to the police so that an appropriate course of action can be taken.

I note your concerns about the police, although I cannot comment on them. If you wish to complain about the police you should contact the complaints and discipline department of the police force concerned. You can also write to the Independent Police Complaints Commission at 90 High Holborn, London, WC1V 6BH. Their telephone number is 08453 002 002.

http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/index/complaints/forms.htm

I hope that this information is of assistance to you.

Yours sincerely,

Correspondence Unit

Crown Prosecution Service

50 Ludgate Hill, London, EC4M 7EX

Tel: 020 7796 8500

Dear Mr Singh

Thank you for your recent e-mail to The Metropolitan Police Service.

Your e-mail has been sent to the local Borough for their investigation, they will respond to you directly.

If in the meantime I can be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Yours sincerely

Zoehonna Green

TPHQ Citizen Focus Policing Programme

Metropolitan Police Service

Room 822

New Scotland Yard

10 The Broadway

London

SW1H 0BG

anyone got any real responses? if people visiting this topic contact public bodies directly and indirectly it may annoy them enough to actually do something for a change

--- On Sun, 4/5/09, Gurdev Singh Sidhu <gurdevsinghsidhu@yahoo.com> wrote:

anyone know why people keep posting this stuff? and how come www.rajkaregakhalsa.net is in BOLD lol

Gurmukho conspiracy is written with only one "i"

http://www.neverforgetbow09.blogspot.com/

Introduction

Whenever we go to the Gurdwara and stand in the Ardaas, at the end of the Ardaas we recite the following words...

“Guru Granth Jee Maaneo, Pargat Guraa Ki Deh|

Realise that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the embodiment of all the Gurus.

Jo Prabh Ko Milbo Chahe, Khoj Shabad Meh Leh|

Those who seek union with God should search through the divine wisdom of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.”

These words contain the essence of Sikhi. To a non-Sikh Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji may seem just a book, a piece of well constructed literature from the 15th century; but Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is much more than that. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the living, talking, eternal Guru Sahib Ji, the Guru who is beyond time and death, the Guru who embodies that divine light which passed from Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji all the way to Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji, the Guru to whom even the Tenth Master Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji bowed Their head, and the Guru who has lead the Khalsa Panth for the last 300 years.

The Tragedy

It is with a heavy heart that we must relate the events at Gurdwara Sikh Sangat, Harley Grove in Bow (East London) to the wider Sangat. On the afternoon of Monday the 16th of March 2009 there was a women’s congregation going on at Gurdwara Sikh Sangat; one of the women from the Sangat noticed an intruder enter the Gurdwara Sahib from a side door. After this a fire broke out in the Sachkhand room (where Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj is seated whilst at rest) of Gurdwara Sikh Sangat which ended up engulfing the whole building. Over 10 fire engines and 50 firefighters battled for over 6 hours to bring the fire under control. The firefighters confirmed that the fire destroyed over 75% of the Gurdwara Sahib complex, with the roof of the whole Gurdwara Sahib completely caving in, leaving only the outer walls standing. The Sachkhand room where the fire began was completely and utterly destroyed by the fire.

The most painful news for the whole Panth is that 11 blessed Saroops of our beloved Satguru, the light of the Ten Guru Sahibaans, the Jugo-Jug Atal Eternal Satguru, Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji were burnt due to the fire. 8 Saroops of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji were recovered on Tuesday the 17th; the police discovered 3 more Saroops and many more Gutkaa and Pothee Sahibs on Friday the 20th. With heavy hearts Sevadars from across the country gathered together at Gurdwara Mata Sahib Kaur Academy and worked day and night on the daunting Seva of preparing Satguru Ji’s saroops for the Sanskaar (cremation) ceremony. It brought tears to the eyes of all the Sevadars and anyone who had Darshan of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji’s Saroops; to see how the Angs (limbs) of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Mahaaraaj were crumpled, burnt and blackened because of the fire, and dripping wet and ice cold due to the water damage. Take a moment Saadh Sangat Ji, think in your hearts, our beloved Satguru Ji’s Saroops were burnt in fire and doused in water – do we feel no pain?

Under the guidance of Sri Akaal Takhat Sahib an Akhand Paath Sahib was carried out at Gurdwara Mata Sahib Kaur Academy and the Sanskaar Seva took place at Guru Gobind Singh Khalsa College Chigwell. Sangat from across the country came to pay their respects and witness their beloved Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji’s Sanskaar ceremony being carried out, yet sadly out of 500,000 Sikhs that live across the UK, only 1,000 – 2,000 people gathered for the Sanskaar ceremony of Guru Sahib Ji. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji’s blessed remains will be taken to Panjab where the scattering of the blessed remains of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji will be carried out by Sevadars approved by Sri Akaal Takhat Sahib.

Who is Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji?

It was only a few months ago that we celebrated the 300th anniversary of the Gurta Gur-Gaddee Divas (Guru-ship ceremony) of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, last year we also remembered the 30th anniversary of the massacre in Amritsar by the fake Nirankaris of 13 innocent Singhs, and this year we are commemorating 25 years since Sri Akaal Takhat Sahib was attacked by the Indian Army in Operation Blue Star.

Yet time and time again we fail to realize that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the Eternal Embodiment of all Ten Gurus Sahibaans. It is no use to simply chant the words of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj proclaiming that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is and forever will be, ‘Pargat Guraa Kee Deh’ – ‘The Divine Embodiment of all Ten Guru Sahibaans’. It is time to bring those words uttered by the 10th Master 300 years ago into action in our Gurdwaras, communities and everyday lives. It is only 300 years since Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji commanded all Sikhs to accept Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as the Eternally Living Embodiment of all Ten Guru Sahibaans, it is only 30 years since 13 blessed Singhs laid their lives defending the respect of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, and it is only 25 years since Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji endured the bullets of the Indian Army all for our sake... Yet we forget their sacrifices every moment of every day!

Saadh Sangat Ji we must remember that it is the first time in history that such a devastating attack has been carried out on a Gurdwara Sahib outside of India. An attack on Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is an attack on the very foundations of Sikhi, it is an attack on the whole Sikh Panth; an attack on the Gurus house is an attack on our house. The fateful day of March 16th 2009 should be remembered by all Sikhs, and by the world, as the day when Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj sacrificed Themselves in order to wake up the Sikh Panth.

We must believe and accept that Sri Guru Granth Sahib are the ‘Jaagdee Jot’ – ‘The Forever Awakened Eternal Light’ of all Ten Guru Sahibaans. An attack on Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is an attack on the beauteous wisdom of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, it’s an attack on the never-ending humility of Sri Guru Amardaas Ji, and it’s an attack on the Tenth Master Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji who sacrificed his four sons for the Khalsa Panth.

Just as Sri Guru Arjan Sahib Ji sacrificed their physical form by burning in boiling cauldrons, standing on the burning hot plates of the prisons of Lahore whilst red hot sand run down their divine body and eventually passing into the icy cold waters of the river Ravi; just as Sri Guru Teghbahadur Sahib Ji marched to Delhi in order to sacrifice their physical form to protect righteousness and truth, just as Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji sacrificed their entire family for the cause of justice, in the same way Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj has sacrificed themselves 11 times in order to awaken the Sikh Panth from its slumber which has lasted many years. ALL Ten Guru Sahibaans have sacrificed themselves through smoldering fire and icy cold water 11 times in order to awaken us – if we refuse to awaken now how can we call ourselves Sikhs of the Guru?

What to do now?

Our beloved Satguru, Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji has given Shaheedi (martyrdom) 11 times... Important questions remain unanswered Saadh Sangat Ji...

Where do we go from here Saadh Sangat Ji?

Do we fall back into a state of unawareness and carry on letting Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji’s respect and authority be questioned and undermined again and again?

Are we going to wake up? Or will we simply ignore the fact that ALL ten Guru Sahibaans have sacrificed themselves through smoldering fire and icy cold water 11 times in order to awaken us?

If there is one lesson we learn from looking at Sikh history it is that sacrifice is always followed by revolution; the martyrdom of Sri Guru Arjan Sahib Ji was followed by the establishment of Sri Akaal Takhat Sahib by Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji and the sacrifice by Sri Guru Teghbahadur Sahib Ji was followed by the establishment of the Khalsa brotherhood in order to tackle injustice by Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Ji. We must contemplate that if Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji has sacrificed themselves 11 times there must be a reason; it must be a wakeup call to the Sikh nation to make us realize our mistakes.

As stated many times before we need to accept and believe that Sri Guru Granth Sahib is our Eternal Living Guru. Treating Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji with complete love and utmost reverence has been part of the Sikh religion since the 5th Master Sri Guru Arjan Sahib Ji first compiled Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji in 1604. From the day the compilation of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was complete Sri Guru Arjan Sahib never sat on their throne or slept on their bed again, rather they gave up these comforts and instead enthroned Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji upon their Throne and Bed; for the rest of their life Sri Guru Arjan Sahib Ji sat upon the ground and slept upon a single white sheet. We should learn from the example and Sri Guru Arjan Sahib Ji and we should endeavor to stop Beadbi (disrespect) of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and divine Gurbani wherever it is taking place, whether in our Gurdwaras, homes or in our libraries. We must forever remember the immortal words of the 7th Master Sri Guru Har Rai Sahib Ji,

“Jin Bhae Adab Naa Baanee Dharaa | Jaanoh(u) So Sikh Nahee(n) Hamaaraa |

He who has no fear or respect of Gurbani. Know that he is not my Sikh.”

This means going into our local Gurdwaras ensuring that the respect and sanctity of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is maintained on a day to day basis. Is Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji accompanied by at least 5 Singhs when going from one location to the next? Is the Sachkhand room of Sri Guru Granth Sahib big enough to accommodate all of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji’s Saroops?

The fact of simply how long it is taking for the Police to deal with the case of the fire and also the fact that the fire is being treated as a simple case of criminal damage to property is a testament in itself to how we have failed to make the world aware that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is not a book, or a piece of sacred literature, rather Sri Guru Granth Sahib is our beloved Living Guru. We must keep pressure upon the Police to resolve this issue as quickly as possible, we have to stress that this matter will not be allowed to be ignored or brushed under the carpet. We need to make it as clear as day to the world that any attack on Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji will never be tolerated at any cost by the Sikh Panth in order to help prevent such vicious and hateful attacks in the future. We will not let the perpetrator of this evil act to get away.

Guru Sahib is urging us to cast off the divisions of Jathebandi, caste and discrimination and to unite as One Panth. We must all unite to fight any forms of corruption which have crept into our Guru’s house, and we must all endeavor to increase our individual Rehat and our love for Guru Sahib Ji’s Baani. We should do this by joining in the 1 million Chaupai Sahib Jaap (www.chaupaisahib.org) and pray for the Chardi Kala of the Panth.

We must all take the pain of this episode in our history into our hearts, into the very core of our being as a Panth. We must all give up drugs, castes, and material attachment to the world and join together as brothers and sisters in the Khalsa. We must not be scared to wear the beloved uniform of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Ji which is drenched in the blood of countless Shaheed Singhs, read the Baani which once flowed from the divine tongue of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji and take pride that our father is Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Ji and our mother is Mata Sahib Kaur Ji. Each of us must promise ourselves that we will not rest till the perpetrators of this heinous crime are brought to justice, in the divine words of Satguru Nanak Dev Sahib Ji...

“Kookar Koorr(u) Kamaaeeai Gur Nindaa Pachai Pachaan(u) ||

Those who practice falsehood are dogs; those who slander the Guru shall burn in their own fire.” Ang 21 SGGSJ

Ultimately it is up to any Government to take responsibility and safeguard its citizens. if Sikhs do not feel that GuruGhar are safe then whatever happens as a result will be the State's fault not ours.

Agree with AK-47 no Gang gets involved in a Gurdwara unless specifically paid to as its not worth the risk. Especially a non-Sikh gang and the fact that the person knew where Sachkhand is to target means they may have had information or had visited before.

fact is 11 Saroops of Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj have had sanskar and an entire GuruGhar gutted.

very few public figures or public bodies have spoken out against this intolerable act.

very few media have covered this.

nobody has been arrested and the police have done nothing.

if this was a mosque it would be a different story and yet that has hardly anything sacred inside.

this is a recipe for creating a lot of Anger and people's blood will boil unless the Police do something.

i'm sure if a Sikh Gurudwara can catch fire and nothing happens then a lot of other high profile public buildings in London are just as flammable and the Government should sit quietly by.

Nitnem (inc. Chaupai Sahib) is on BritAsia tv every morning - on behalf of the volunteers feel free to include the regular viewers.

also have requested that to support the 1million project they additionally begin a Chaupai Sahib Jaap 30min programme. they may be a little shy about this so feel free to contact charanpreet.singh@britasia.tv and the other britasia staff with words of encouragement.

keep up the good work :nishaan_sahib_right:

Excellent !!

As this is a Very positive idea, we should have this as a sticky and get sangataan worldwide to pledge to do as many Chaupai Sahibs as possible and dont forget to let the website know how many have been completed.

:nishaan_sahib_right:

lol

At www.rajkaregakhalsa.net we have received a constant stream of emails recently from Sangataan asking the same question:

How do i add RKK mp4 videos to the Blackberry, iPhone, iPod, etc?

so we've put up a simple tutorial which we hope will help

WaheGuru Jee Ka Khalsa WaheGuru Ji Ki Fateh

hope you dont have an itchy trigger finger

just messin - most belkom jee, most belkom !!

i am guilty of the above so i better own up..

i told paji i'd put a review on Amazon and its been a month or two bhull chuk maaf karni..

thanks for waking me up from my sleep - i've done it now!

Sangat Ji please not only BUY this book, but also put a review on Amazon so that others too can learn more about it and get lahaa.

Click Here to visit Amazon and get this beautifully written book to read

Keep up the good work

There has been unprecedented levels of media coverage in India and across the globe regarding Rahul Gandhi's recent excursions in Punjab. The hopeful future Prime Minister was quick to extend his supposed 'regret' saying the 'anti-Sikh riots were wrong'.

Before any person in India or abroad automatically guarantees him their unequivocal support, one has to look at the context in which this has taken place. We are nearing the end of Manmohan Singh's term as Prime Minister and Sonia Gandhi has become a virtual recluse, So Rahul is out canvassing support from every corner of the country and seeking to silence anybody who dares speak out.

Was his description of the 'riots' not inaccurate? There were no 'riots' it was not merely random violence between groups of people; it was a pogrom: an organised massacre.of innocent people from a single minority community.

Will his apology bring back the thousands of mothers, fathers, children and family butchered on the streets of Delhi? Will his apology feed the poor displaced families who had nowhere to live, no means to support themselves and nothing to eat?

Rahul stated regarding the massacre of Sikhs in Delhi in November 1984 that "the perpetrators should be punished." Who does he say will punish them?

Nearing 25 years on from this State-sponsored genocide, Rahul's Congress party has done everything within their grasp to hide the truth from the world.

Rahul Gandhi's Congress party has protected the perpetrators and denied justice to the tens of thousands of people whose families were savagely raped, murdered and burnt alive. The party has systematically concealed from the international community the most heinous of crimes.

With the upcoming State elections Sukhbir Badal and other Akali Dal leaders are not willing to hinder the Sikh-Hindu unity in Punjab so they remain silent on this issue.

Jawaharlal Nehru, grandfather of Rahul, conned Sikhs and backtracked on key promises. Rajiv Gandhi, his father condoned the murder of tens of thousands of innocent people in Delhi. Rahul Gandhi's grandmother Indira Gandhi not only hurt the sentiment of Sikhs by attacking the holiest place of worship but left the Sikhs so alienated that their psyche remains to this day questioning whether there is a place for them in India.

Please post this banner on forums, blogs, in emails, etc:

Source: http://www.sikhsangat.org/news/publish/soc...ed_Handed.shtml

http://www.punjabnewsline.com/content/view/13775/38/

Three Sikh militants get 5 years RI for possessing explosives

Punjab Newsline Network

Friday, 14 November 2008

JALANDHAR: Three Sikh militants arested with explosives including RDX by Jalandhar police two years back were Friday sentenced to five years rigrous imprisonment and were imposed a fine of Rs.500 on each.

The Additional District and Session Judge (Adhoc) Jalandhar held guilty three accused Paramjit Singh Dhadi, Amrik Singh Khara and Jaswinder Singh who is nephew of Jasbir Singh Rode former jathedar of Akal Takht.

The police had booked the convicts under section 4/5 of explosive Act and sections 25,54 and 57 of Arms act in police station division number 7 here.

we'll have to agree to disagree, as stated at the outset i didnt want a debate. topic was meant to be about discussing the use of Islamic names for Akaal Purakh in Gurbani - where, what instance and context in which they occur.

There is a community of the spirit.

Join it, and feel the delight

of walking in the noisy street

and being the noise.

Drink all your passion,

and be a disgrace.

Close both eyes

to see with the other eye.

Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing,

there is a field. I'll meet you there.

When the soul lies down in that grass,

the world is too full to talk about.

Ideas, language, even the phrase each other

doesn't make any sense.

(Jelaluddin Rumi)

topic closed.

before anyone bites my head off

Sikhlionz,

You are a moderator here so I find it surprising that you write PBUH after writing Mohammed? No Sikh in history has ever written PBUH after mentioning Mohammed. Bhai Gurdas does not write PBUH after mentioining Mohammed. Guru Gobind Singh calls Mohammed 'Mahdeen' and did not write PBUH after his name. In the Janamsakhis when Guru Nanak mentions Mohammed he doesn't say PBUH after mentioning him. So why has it become a fashion amongst some Sikhs nowadays to write PBUH after writing Mohammed. I suggest you or any other Sikh takes the time out to research the reason why believing Muslims say PBUH after mentioning Mohammed.

Proactive Veerji clearly i am nowhere near the spiritual level of Guru Mahraj nor of Bhai Gurdas ji. Someone who is PhD can refer to Kindergarten class however they wish.

Satguru jee in Gurbani does not refer to Krishan as Krishan Maharaj yet personally when i occasionally refer to Avatars of Sanatan Dharam i tend to add the term Maharaj. Similarly i find nothing in itself wrong with saying PBUH. If you do, you're most welcome to refer to him in any way you wish.

Nowhere have i condoned this or said Sangat Jee I hereby declare everyone should refer to Prophet Mohammed in this way, it's just how i personally occasionally choose to.

This is not only used for Mohammed, Muslims praise the name of Jesus Christ, Moses and the names of the Old and New Testament prophets by adding the same PBUH acronym after their names.

PBUH means 'Peace Be Upon Him'. It is the English meaning of the Arabic words, 'Allah's Salaam' (Alayhis salaam). Allah, Illahi, Salaam are used regularly in Gurbani so what's wrong with saying may God grant a Bhagat of another faith peace?

granted we have been critical of the ways Prophets of different faiths may have "lost their way" but none of us have reached anything like that spiritual level to judge. hence even if you disagree entirely with their approach you lose nothing in affording respect.

Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) is also reported to have said in a famous hadith:

Of note is that this hadith does not say that there are only 99 names, but 99 names that are better than the others.

Also a Sakhi worth noting:

Guru Nanak Dev Ji traveled east to Nepal and the Himalayas visiting sacred centers of the Hindus on the way like Benaras and Hardwar. On an another udassi (journey) Guru Ji traveled south to Sri Lanka again visiting many places of learning. On a separate journey to the west Guru Nanak Dev Ji with Mardana traveled to Bhagdad and Mecca, not as a pilgrimage as some would suggest but on Gods mission to spread Gods word and to put people on the path of righteousness.

On Guru Ji's travels through Bhagdad, Mardana would play the rabab and Guru Sahib Ji would sing about the infiniteness of God and His Creation, wherein occurred the following expression: " patala patal, lakha aghasa aghaas" - there are countless patals (earths) and innumerable akashs (sky). Which goes contrary to Muslim belief, as they only know of 7 earths and skys, When some Muslim who was listening to it and understood its purport went and reported the blasphemy of the utterance - inasmuch as the Qu'ran had mentioned only seven earths and seven skies - to the Sajjdanashin of the Shrine of Pir Dastagir, Abdul Qadir Jilani an agitated crowd gathered on the spot. The people were on the verge of throwing stones when they heard the Guru's divine invocation. The sweet words of God entered their ears and the people in remorse of their actions went to their Pir and told him of the presence of a holy man.

The Pir, having reached the place, enquired from Mardana who the holy man was. He was told that he was Nanak who had rejected all others except one God who was all pervading on earth, sky and in all four directions. Guru Nanak Dev Ji stayed for a number of days and the people flocked to his side eagerly listening to the word of God. Guru Sahib Ji had many discourses with the local holy men.

One day Guru Sahib Ji was sleeping and his feet were towards the Kaaba. When challenged by the local Imam, Guru Ji replied "point my feet where God is not." The local Imam ashamed of his actions asked Guru Sahib Ji to do kalma with him. As the Imam started his kalma Guru Ji did not. Guru Ji asked him "What is the use of meaningless ritual when your mind is somewhere else trying to work out how to get the best price for your horses." Guru Ji had no need for kalma for he sang the Almighty's name 24/7.

Before his departure from there he was presented a chola (robe) as a token of respect on which verses in arabic were inscribed. This chola lies preserved in the Gurdwara at Dera Baba Nanak, in Pakistan. The chola was given to Guru Sahib Ji by his devotees in Bagdhad and there was no alterier motive, Guru Sahib Ji took it in the spirit in which it was given. Pir Babhol, a Sufi saint was deeply influenced by Guru Nanak Dev.

Dhan Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj did not offend and explained it came down to the Revelation by God. All Prophets could only speak the Truth of the Revelation made to them but the Revelation they received was determined by the Spiritual Stage they had reached. Akaal Purakh Revealed 7 earths & 7 skies to Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) but Revealed Countless skies and Countless earths to Dhan Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj.

there are 99 Better Names of God in Islam. Unlke faiths like Sanatan Dharam, Semitic faiths tend to either fit or contradict with Sikhi and some of these Names do, however daas thought it would be interesting to look at some of them and the qualities they represent and look for mention of them as qualities of God or Gursikhi in Gurbani.

(before anyone bites my head off this is in no way accurate, nor have i looked in-depth at Arth or anything but purely a 5 minuite superficial job at finding similarity in 2 distinctly different belief systems) Many of these will be incorrect, feel free to point them out and feel free to look up the others yourselves!

1. Allah http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Sri...aj_ji/1191.html
   • Allah, He who has the Godhood which is the power to create the entities.
     

[*]Ar-Rahmaan

• The Compassionate, The Beneficient, The One who has plenty of mercy for the believers and the blasphemers in this world and especially for the believers in the hereafter.
  

Rahm: http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Amr...n/tr_1143a.html

1. Ar-Raheem http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Sri...ahib_ji/25.html
   • The Merciful, The One who has plenty of mercy for the believers.
     

[*]Al-Malik

• The King, The Sovereign Lord, The One with the complete Dominion, the One Whose Dominion is clear from imperfection.
  

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Amrit_Kirtan/tr_1143a.html

1. Al-Quddoos
   • The Holy, The One who is pure from any imperfection and clear from children and adversaries.
     

[*]As-Salaam http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Sri_Dasam_Granth_Sahib_ji/25.html

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Sri_Guru_Granth_Sahib_Maharaj_ji/1191.html

• The Source of Peace, The One who is free from every imperfection.
  

[*]Al-Mu'min

• Guardian of Faith, The One who witnessed for Himself that no one is God but Him. And He witnessed for His believers that they are truthful in their belief that no one is God but Him.
  

[*]Al-Muhaimin

• The Protector, The One who witnesses the saying and deeds of His creatures.
  

[*]Al-^Azeez

• The Mighty, The Strong, The Defeater who is not defeated.
  

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Sri...ahib_ji/26.html

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Sri...ib_ji/1475.html

1. Al-Jabbaar
   • The Compeller, The One that nothing happens in His Dominion except that which He willed.
     

[*]Al-Mutakabbir

• The Majestic, The One who is clear from the attributes of the creatures and from resembling them.
  

[*]Al-Khaaliq

• The Creator, The One who brings everything from non-existence to existence.
  

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Amrit_Kirtan/tr_0083.html

1. Al-Bari'
   • The Evolver, The Maker, The Creator who has the Power to turn the entities.
     

[*]Al-Musawwir

• The Fashioner, The One who forms His creatures in different pictures.
  

[*]Al-Ghaffaar

• The Great Forgiver, The Forgiver, The One who forgives the sins of His slaves time and time again.
  

[*]Al-Qahhaar

• The Subduer, The Dominant, The One who has the perfect Power and is not unable over anything.
  

[*]Al-Wahhaab

• The Bestower, The One who is Generous in giving plenty without any return. He is everything that benefits whether Halal or Haram.
  

[*]Al-Razzaaq http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Sri...ahib_ji/25.html

• The Sustainer, The Provider.
  

[*]Al-Fattaah

• The Opener, The Reliever, The Judge, The One who opens for His slaves the closed worldy and religious matters.
  

Fateh: http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Sri...ib_ji/1356.html

1. Al-^Aleem
   • The All-knowing, The Knowledgeable; The One nothing is absent from His knowledge.
     

Alam:/Ilam http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Sri...ib_ji/1470.html

1. Al-Qaabid
   • The Constricter, The Retainer, The Withholder, The One who constricts the sustenance by His wisdomand expands and widens it with His Generosity and Mercy.
     

[*]Al-Baasit

• The Expander, The Englarger, The One who constricts the sustenance by His wisdomand expands and widens it with His Generosity and Mercy.
  

[*]Al-Khaafid

• The Abaser, The One who lowers whoever He willed by His Destruction and raises whoever He willed by His Endowment.
  

[*]Ar-Raafi^

• The Exalter, The Elevator, The One who lowers whoever He willed by His Destruction and raises whoever He willed by His Endowment.
  

[*]Al-Mu^iz

• The Honorer, He gives esteem to whoever He willed, hence there is no one to degrade Him; And He degrades whoever He willed, hence there is no one to give Him esteem.
  

[*]Al-Muthil

• The Dishonorer, The Humiliator, He gives esteem to whoever He willed, hence there is no one to degrade Him; And He degrades whoever He willed, hence there is no one to give Him esteem.
  

[*]As-Samee^

• The All-Hearing, The Hearer, The One who Hears all things that are heard by His Eternal Hearing without an ear, instrument or organ.
  

[*]Al-Baseer

• The All-Seeing, The One who Sees all things that are seen by His Eternal Seeing without a pupil or any other instrument.
  

[*]Al-Hakam

• The Judge, He is the Ruler and His judgment is His Word.
  

Hak: http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Sri...aj_ji/0727.html

Hukam:

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Sri...aj_ji/0148.html

1. Al-^Adl
   • The Just, The One who is entitled to do what He does.
     

[*]Al-Lateef

• The Subtle One, The Gracious, The One who is kind to His slaves and endows upon them.
  

[*]Al-Khabeer

• The Aware, The One who knows the truth of things.
  

[*]Al-Haleem

• The Forebearing, The Clement, The One who delays the punishment for those who deserve it and then He might forgive them.
  

[*]Al-^Azeem

• The Great One, The Mighty, The One deserving the attributes of Exaltment, Glory, Extolement,and Purity from all imperfection.
  

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Sri_Dasam_Granth_Sahib_ji/1470.html

1. Al-Ghafoor
   • The All-Forgiving, The Forgiving, The One who forgives a lot.
     

[*]Ash-Shakoor

• The Grateful, The Appreciative, The One who gives a lot of reward for a little obedience.
  

[*]Al-^Aliyy

• The Most High, The Sublime, The One who is clear from the attributes of the creatures.
  

[*]Al-Kabeer

• The Most Great, The Great, The One who is greater than everything in status.
  

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Sri_Guru_Granth_Sahib_Maharaj_ji/1374.html

1. Al-Hafeez
   • The Preserver, The Protector, The One who protects whatever and whoever He willed to protect.
     

[*]Al-Muqeet

• The Maintainer, The Guardian, The Feeder, The Sustainer, The One who has the Power.
  

[*]Al-Haseeb

• The Reckoner, The One who gives the satisfaction.
  

[*]Aj-Jaleel

• The Sublime One, The Beneficent, The One who is attributed with greatness of Power and Glory of status.
  

[*]Al-Kareem http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Sri...ahib_ji/25.html

• The Generous One, The Bountiful, The Gracious, The One who is attributed with greatness of Power and Glory of status.
  

[*]Ar-Raqeeb

• The Watcher, The Watchful, The One that nothing is absent from Him. Hence it's meaning is related to the attribute of Knowledge.
  

[*]Al-Mujeeb

• The Responsive, The Hearkener, The One who answers the one in need if he asks Him and rescues the yearner if he calls upon Him.
  

[*]Al-Wasi^

• The Vast, The All-Embracing, The Knowledgeable.
  

[*]Al-Hakeem

• The Wise, The Judge of Judges, The One who is correct in His doings.
  

Hakeekat: http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Sri...ib_ji/1470.html

1. Al-Wadood
   • The Loving, The One who loves His believing slaves and His believing slaves love Him. His love to His slaves is His Will to be merciful to them and praise them:Hence it's meaning is related to the attributes of the Will and Kalam (His attribute with which He orders and forbids and spoke to Muhammad and Musa -peace be upon them- . It is not a sound nor a language nor a letter.).
     

[*]Al-Majeed

• The Most Glorious One, The Glorious, The One who is with perfect Power, High Status, Compassion, Generosity and Kindness.
  

[*]Al-Ba^ith

• The Reserrector, The Raiser (from death), The One who resurrects His slaves after death for reward and/or punishment.
  

[*]Ash-Shaheed

• The Witness, The One who nothing is absent from Him.
  

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Sri_Dasam_Granth_Sahib_ji/1475.html

1. Al-Haqq
   • The Truth, The True, The One who truly exists.
     

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Sri_Guru_Granth_Sahib_Maharaj_ji/0721.html

1. Al-Wakeel
   • The Trustee, The One who gives the satisfaction and is relied upon.
     

[*]Al-Qawiyy

• The Most Strong, The Strong, The One with the complete Power.
  

[*]Al-Mateen

• The Firm One, The One with extreme Power which is un-interrupted and He does not get tired.
  

[*]Al-Waliyy

• The Protecting Friend, The Supporter.
  

[*]Al-Hameed

• The Praiseworthy, The praised One who deserves to be praised.
  

[*]Al-Muhsee

• The Counter, The Reckoner, The One who the count of things are known to him.
  

[*]Al-Mubdi'

• The Originator, The One who started the human being. That is, He created him.
  

[*]Al-Mu^eed

• The Reproducer, The One who brings back the creatures after death.
  

[*]Al-Muhyi

• The Restorer, The Giver of Life, The One who took out a living human from semen that does not have a soul. He gives life by giving the souls back to the worn out bodies on the resurrection day and He makes the hearts alive by the light of knowledge.
  

[*]Al-Mumeet

• The Creator of Death, The Destroyer, The One who renders the living dead.
  

[*]Al-Hayy

• The Alive, The One attributed with a life that is unlike our life and is not that of a combination of soul, flesh or blood.
  

[*]Al-Qayyoom

• The Self-Subsisting, The One who remains and does not end.
  

[*]Al-Waajid

• The Perceiver, The Finder, The Rich who is never poor. Al-Wajd is Richness.
  

[*]Al-Waahid

• The Unique, The One, The One without a partner.
  

[*]Al-Ahad

• The One.
  

[*]As-Samad

• The Eternal, The Independent, The Master who is relied upon in matters and reverted to in ones needs.
  

[*]Al-Qaadir

• The Able, The Capable, The One attributed with Power.
  
• http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Amrit_Kirtan/tr_1165a.html
  
• Kudrat: http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Sri...aj_ji/1191.html
  

[*]Al-Muqtadir

• The Powerful, The Dominant, The One with the perfect Power that nothing is withheld from Him.
  

[*]Al-Muqaddim

• The Expediter, The Promoter, The One who puts things in their right places. He makes ahead what He wills and delays what He wills.
  

[*]Al-Mu'akh-khir

• The Delayer, the Retarder, The One who puts things in their right places. He makes ahead what He wills and delays what He wills.
  

[*]Al-'Awwal

• The First, The One whose Existence is without a beginning.
  

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Amrit_Kirtan/tr_0083.html

1. Al-'Akhir
   • The Last, The One whose Existence is without an end.
     

[*]Az-Zaahir http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Sri...ahib_ji/25.html

• The Manifest, The One that nothing is above Him and nothing is underneath Him, hence He exists without a place. He, The Exalted, His Existence is obvious by proofs and He is clear from the delusions of attributes of bodies.
  

[*]Al-Baatin

• The Hidden, The One that nothing is above Him and nothing is underneath Him, hence He exists without a place. He, The Exalted, His Existence is obvious by proofs and He is clear from the delusions of attributes of bodies.
  

[*]Al-Walee

• The Governor, The One who owns things and manages them.
  

[*]Al-Muta^ali

• The Most Exalted, The High Exalted, The One who is clear from the attributes of the creation.
  

[*]Al-Barr

• The Source of All Goodness, The Righteous, The One who is kind to His creatures, who covered them with His sustenance and specified whoever He willed among them by His support, protection, and special mercy.
  

[*]At-Tawwaab

• The Acceptor of Repentance, The Relenting, The One who grants repentance to whoever He willed among His creatures and accepts his repentance.
  

[*]Al-Muntaqim

• The Avenger, The One who victoriously prevails over His enemies and punishes them for their sins. It may mean the One who destroys them.
  

[*]Al-^Afuww

• The Pardoner, The Forgiver, The One with wide forgiveness.
  

[*]Ar-Ra'uf

• The Compassionate, The One with extreme Mercy. The Mercy of Allah is His will to endow upon whoever He willed among His creatures.
  

[*]Malik Al-Mulk

• The Eternal Owner of Sovereignty, The One who controls the Dominion and gives dominion to whoever He willed.
  

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Amrit_Kirtan/tr_1143a.html

1. Thul-Jalali wal-Ikram
   • The Lord of Majesty and Bounty, The One who deserves to be Exalted and not denied.
     

[*]Al-Muqsit

• The Equitable, The One who is Just in His judgment.
  

[*]Aj-Jaami^

• The Gatherer, The One who gathers the creatures on a day that there is no doubt about, that is the Day of Judgment.
  

In contradiction to Sikhi however Gurbani does say:

kabeer mayree buDh ka-o jam na karai tiskaar.

Kabeer, the Messenger of Death shall not compromise my understanding.

jin ih jamoo-aa sirji-aa so japi-aa parvidagaar. ||140||

I have meditated on the Lord, the Cherisher, who created this Messenger of Death. ||140||

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Sri_Guru_Granth_Sahib_Maharaj_ji/1371.html

1. Al-Ghaniyy
   • The Self-Sufficient, The One who does not need the creation.
     

[*]Al-Mughni

• The Enricher, The One who satisfies the necessities of the creatures.
  

[*]Al-Maani^

• The Preventer, The Withholder.
  

[*]Ad-Daarr

• The Distresser, The One who makes harm reach to whoever He willed and benefit to whoever He willed.
  

[*]An-Nafi^

• The Propitious, The One who makes harm reach to whoever He willed and benefit to whoever He willed.
  

[*]An-Noor

• The Light, The One who guides.
  

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Amrit_Kirtan/tr_0083.html

1. Al-Haadi
   • The Guide, The One whom with His Guidance His belivers were guided, and with His Guidance the living beings have been guided to what is beneficial for them and protected from what is harmful to them.
     

[*]Al-Badi^

• The Incomparable, The One who created the creation and formed it without any preceding example.
  

[*]Al-Baaqi

• The Everlasting, The One that the state of non-existence is impossible for Him.
  

[*]Al-Waarith

• The Supreme Inheritor, The Heir, The One whose Existence remains.
  

[*]Ar-Rasheed

• The Guide to the Right Path, The One who guides.
  

[*]As-Saboor

• The Patient, The One who does not quickly punish the sinners.
  

Sabar as a quality of a Gursikh: http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Sri...aj_ji/1384.html

awww

go onnn singh !!

you known what'd be funny? if he walked around strutting like a gangster :TH:

Sunee Pukaar Daataar Prabh Guru Nanak Jag Mahi Pataiaa

Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj

beautiful

BUMP

For the majority of members what we're after is a sketch or a quick doodle or drawing.

Some ideas:

It can be of any historical figure e.g.

e.g. since its Guru Nanak's Parkash Purab how about doing a drawing of Guru Nanak?

For those who are after a big challenge how about having a go at something like:

http://www.info-sikh.com/PenPage1.html

For those of you who would like to do a quick drawing with younger brothers/sisters/children under 8 years old who may not be able to draw well or know what Guru Nanak looks like - get them involved e.g. visit:

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/downloads.htm > Colouring In Exercises On Sikhism

and colour in the ones on Guru Nanak.