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  1. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    ok Taran ill try going with your request.... and hopefully everyone will but with that there will be a slight change in the request i agre that this topic has nothing 2 do with the taksal and San Ji so we will not argue on them but about the "INGIAN GOVERNMENT" noone aint stopping us becuz thats da main reason today our two gursikhs are in jail and if i have said anything offensive plz forgive me fateh ji!!

    Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

  2. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    i thot i'd drop by my views to even tho in most of my topics i usually try talking about the present issues of our sikhs and i take this as a present talk 2 and greatly till now all my topics are being appreciated and im very happy and thankfull about that..but i as the follower of the Damdami Taksal believe that Sant Ji is not a shaheed yet maybe in some places they have been declare a shaheed but i do not believe so ..sorry if i am rong as i noe im not very smart ....

    BHULL CHUKK MUAFF KARNII__/\__

  3. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    Well if i have started this topic i wanna back it up TOTALLY so ye as you are saying amardeep singh that Sant Ji said that and it was justified and you are saying that it was just a threat and it worked well thats the same that happened here he "JUST SAID IT" that doesnt prove that he did it ...does it??.....and the problem was that his speech wich was just a saying sure did become a so called "PROVE" against him and a advantage for the government of india....which i am pretty sure is a really guilty ones...and as youy are saying amardeep singh that your dissapointed on teh way these gursikhs are being put in this topic watever is being said in this topic is each and everyones view'z and it is an "OPEN" topic for everyones views and if i think there is anything slightly bended the, ill put in ma views and bakk them up just like i am doing...and my last words for you amardeep singh is that if you are sayin that Sant Ji said that they would kill 5,000 hindu'z....why did he say it? just for the fact that sikhs were being treated like hell in all over india and im pretty sure that was said probably sumwere near 1984 and these votes were blown in 1985 SOMEWERE near 184 Again,, and im still not saying that "They DID DO IT" im just clearing out the minds of the "PEOPLE WHO DO THINK THEY DID IT" that even if they did do it , it was just an anger coming out in a different way for burning guru granth sahibs and attacking our holy shrine,,which i believe is a very bad thing.......and finally if i have said ANYTHING wrong amrinder singh plz forgive me as i noe i am not the smartest but i did start this topic so i think i sho

    uld be backing up by points......Fateh ji

    Now coming to your view Mahavir......if you are saying that amrinder singh has no right to compare these two Gursikhs with Sant Ji......im sorry but i totally disagree with you because on this website im pretty sure that everyone has the right to show there views....and even i am saying that these two gursikhs were and are true followers of Sant Ji and if they did do it they did it becuz they were angry at the hindu'z for what they did to US sikhs in our own homeland and im sure thats just teh way the people in iraq feel wen a country like america is taking over...its HURTING!!....and as you were saying that u started having negative views on bagri after u saw the video of his speech well hey bro at that time who wasnt mad at the hindu'z "EVERY" sikh in there hearts was saying the same thing that im gonna go kill a hindu....the ONLY DIFFERENCE is that they said it in public...i hope everyone is getting my point...and mahavir as you said that Sant Ji was very calm in his speeches and very nice i AGree with that statment of yours but the same thing again his speeches sure were calm but they were meaningfull and targetting ===like he always said that if the indian govt.. doess anything first only then they will do something and after that SOMETHING was done by this government thats wen the Babbar Khalsa gave there speech in New York taking there anger out and making thoses statments but then again you cant always believe wat you hear unless there is sum kinda visible prrooooof.!!

    Well thats all i have to say and i am extremely sorry if i was in any way offensive to anyone may god forgive me!!

    BHULL CHUKK MUAFF KARNII__/\__

    Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

  4. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    we all are sikhs and i respect all the jathebandhi'z becuz they are all doing something or the other for khalsa unlike other people may god keep all these jathebandhi's in charddi kalla forever and plus even malik is a AKJ..i jus think that all these jathe'z are a big profit 2 khalsa not a disadvantage ...sorry if i am rong

    BHULL CHUKK MUAFF KARNII_/\_

    Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

  5. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    let me plz put in my point of view, and it is that it has been said that they did do it they have said it with there own mouthes, ajeab singh bagri has admitted himself that he wants to kill 50,000 hindus and rest and he is related 2 me 2 i have been going 2 the court but the thing is that he did it with sardar malik for a big reason and the reason is called "REVENGE" gursikhs it is a thing in our religion that if we are being tortured we hve 2 stand up for eachuther and not 2 frget that guru granth sahibs were put on fire and burnt down in 1984 who can frget such incidents our sisters and mothers were raped and brothers and fathers were kiled ,gursikhs maybe u can frget that but there are people in this world who cant and are always seeking for revenge and this revenge had ameaning behind it and "YES" maybe innocent ppl were killed in 85 but can you count how many were killed in 84 becuz ni sure can count that how m,any were kied in 85..my point is just that its a punjabi saying

    "JO KARUNGE SO BHARUNGE"

    and i am now dead sure that these 2 gursikhs r going 2 be freed within 2 months becuz the next court is on 19 oct 2004 and in that court date the judge has said that he will give in his view on the case by now and claim that who is innocent and he has said that the govt. does not have any strong proof..

    bhull chukk muaff karnii_/\_

    Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    hey bro thats da topic ur talking about rite there u r all infrunta ur eyes JUDGE FOR URSELF people....

    BHULL CHUKK MUAFF KARNII__/\__

    Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

  6. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    i was hoping for more views gursikhs so we can all come to a solution take this seriously becuz if one Thing can be banned today tmoro all can be banned..this is a future issue not just present

    BHULL CHUKK MUAFF KARNII __/\__

    Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

  7. It's pretty hard to deny the facts man. I didn't believe it when they got arrested because I had met Malik once, and he seemed like a quiet and religious guy. It won't matter if they get charged or not, the public has already been pretty well informed. It's best for us to dissociate with these guys and not give them any support.

    Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    Wel Mahavir i sure do want to respect your views on this topic but im sincerelly sorry that i cant...becuz wat u said is tottally un acceptible ...u noe i jus wanna say that WOW ..man you sure are a true gursikh eh, bakking of on your owns sikhs ..i really dont think our guru'z ever taught us that--thats actually just like wat the 40 sikhs did wen they ran off on guru gobind singh ji and rote the agreement that they are not his sikhs..that just wat u are telling us to do , to leave these gursikhs alone wen they are facing troubles..huh i am not trying to compare these two gursikhs with guru gobind singh ji becuz i noe and all u noe that there is a big difference, but all im saying is that it is not in a sikhs personality to leave another sikh wen he is in trouble...this is the time wen our gursikhs need our most support and love...which i think is EVERY gursikhs rite 2 give them...

    And the fact that you are saying that they did it...i TOTALLY disagree with you(mahavir) ...how can you believe some witness who is from america and has been charged for killing his own son and is being payed freakin 450,000$ american to testify in court.... and how can you believe two diff. ladies who are saying they were having affairs with these gursikhs who they say they trully love....would you want sum1 who u truly love to burn there life in jail????...i dont think so mahavir and all other gursikhs that say they are guilty.....look at the whole case then you will realise that the whole crown case has collapsed becuz nothing solid that can be rocognized as proof has hit the court yet and ever....you see revenge is a very big thing just liek the prosecution says to take revenge from the indian govt. these gursikhs blew up the planes..the same way that lady who says she had an affair with malik wants revenge from malik becuz he fired her from her job in his school...revenge is big and everyone wants to hit back in one way or the other..

    and another thiingh you mentioned was that youve met malik and he sounded liek a calm person..let me get that clear everyone and i mean EVERYONE is calm untill or unless something forces them to loose the calm...and im sure that in 84' no true gursikh was calm after seeing the state uv punjab....ive never met malik in person but i have met bagri and he was a very strict person ..but watever he is or was i respect them for beeing true gursikhs unliek allot..and the final point i would like to clear is that i did,do and always will believe that they did not do it but even if it is said that they did even if they did do it i would say that ill still be supportin them till the very end becuz even if they did do it watever they did only some people can do that .

    .no ordinary person like u or me can do that mahavir...they saw wat the govt. was doin 2 the sikhs and they couldnt bear it ...some1 has 2 stand up and maybe those sum1's were meant to be them

    and finally i would just liek to say that mahavir i am not makin you my aimming target and neither can i ,,i amy be rite or maybe very rong but i think that watever i say i always have ma statments 2 bakc it up and thats y i say it..and im sure that watever i typped rite now is all with proving points....ive read the whole case on the official website and books and i think by now i noe all the ups and downs and yes again im very sincerely sorry if i was in any way offensive to any1...and some people may judge me by my age even tho im 16 im sure i noe wat im talking about becuz ive read it and realised it and am thinking b4 saying...GURFATEH!!

    __/\__ BHULL CHUKK MUAFF KARNII __/\__

    Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

  8. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    I can agree with alll the replies on this topic so far all are right in there own views and my views are that they are innocent till proven guilty..but the main point on this is that the only reason tha canadian govt. even opened this case is so that they can show the indian govt. that the people who the indian govt thinks is guilty if they are living in canada they will have to put them on trial and thas teh most they can do but then again as said in the last reply by a gursikh that there are many sikh sellouts "I TOTALLY AGREE" some lady comes outta nowere and says that malik loved her and she still loves him ..if u love some1 u dont go testiffying against the person n gettin the person in jail for the rest of there life..its a shame for that lady 2 even call herself a sikh again and other sikhs who ever testified against these 2 sikhs should be full of shame rite now....whatever happened in 1985 sure was bad but it can never be told worse than 1984 killings and let me quote that agian "NEVER",,.....

    Well ive read almost the whole case basics now and after reading alll dat the first thing i dun get is that the prosecution says "THE SIKHS OF DIFF. TERRORIST GROUPS MADE THIS ATTEMPT OF BLOWING TWO PLANES DUE TO REVENGE AGAINST THE INDIAN GOVT. BECAUSE OF THE ATTACK ON THE GOLEM TEMPLE THE HOLLIEST SHRINE OF THE SIKHS" i dont get one thinmg after the prosecution said that if they can see that blowing up 2 f***kin planes is rong than cant they see that the attack that the indian govt made on the golden t

    emple is way worse?....i would love to ask that lawyer that if someone attacked the holliest shrine of his religion WOULD THEY LET THAT FLOW AWAY?? cuz i dunt think anyone would but yea as we all know noe1 ever did and noone except us sikhs will ever raise up the fact that what ever happened in 1984 was rong and was worse than this issue so i guess we all just have to live with it untill sumthing changes..

    well that all i have to say i noe i swore once in this reply of mine and im extremely sorry but its just my anger talking not me....if i am offensive in any way 2 anyone plz forgive as i noe im not the perfect person 2 be talkin on this topic but i still think i have the full rights to talk my views out as we all do..

    BHULL CHUKK MUAFF KARNII__/\__

    Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

  9. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    i get ur point gursikh but my point is that if that was rong killing innocent people,,than wasnt killling innocent brothers and sisters in 1984 rong?...and yes i noe now sum1 will reply 2 me that "two rongs do not make a rite" but hey they sure do make it "EVEN" and plus i believe that they did not do it and no one can say they did till proven and that has not been doen yet becuz no solid proof hit the crown but i will jus folow my beliefs and i say every1 should i think they are right so ill pray for them and who ever else thinks so plz do so...

    p.s.----plz forgive if im not going wit ur views but im just folowing my own views

    BHULL CHUKK MUAFF KARNII_/\_

    Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

  10. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    I may be rong i may be rite, but i think i have the full right 2 speak as i wish...and i trully from the core of my heart believe that Ajaeb Baggri and Malik are two sikhs that are not guilty AT ALL and are being accused without a reason ...2day here in vancouver this trial has came to an end the biggest trial in canadian history over 130 million $ spent on it but still "NO" hard evidence againts the so called "guilty" sikhs but i have full faith in go and his desicions and i just request 2 all the sikhs who find me right and plz just for the sake o true justice lets all take 5 minutes every day till 16th march 2005 (the day the results of the trial wil be given) that our sikhs are released from jail on 16th march 2005 back to there homes with absolutely no charges ....lets all keep our heads up and believe in gods judgement and will

    ps. every1 who reads this plz leave a reply telling me ur point of view on my topic

    BHULL CHUKK MUAFF KARNII _/\_

    Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

  11. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    well ye i guess ur right i like wat there sayin but jus ot the way there sayin it

    i totally dont like how they put it in the way....no sant bindrawale etc..

    i think thats rong

    sorry if im rong :wub:

    Bhul chukk muaff karni _/\_

    Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

  12. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    im sorry but i even read al this but i still dont get it ,,,it jus seems lie it makes no sense but all its doing is telling us 2 frget about the shaheeds and think about ourselfs :wub:

    well sorry if im rong can u plz explain:D

    Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

  13. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    i agrre with you all but.....i remember a while ago i saw a pot on this website in which sum1 was requesting ppl 2 write a letter 2 the members o diff. diff organisations of human righrs and sikh organisations............cant we do anything like that???

    p.s.-----plz help sikhs its not just about me or u its about our SIKHI......lets all unite and do something about this

    bhull chukk muaff karni _/\_

    Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

  14. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    Most of us people on this website are talking about history and what had happened in the past... that is great that we sikhs here are discussing all that inbetween eachother and taking everyones views equally just how we should be taking ..but i think that while thinking about the past the history we shall also take a look at the present conditions that in any way is ther anything going rong in our sikh religion or is anyone trying to do anything which is affecting sikhi........

    In other words i am talking about the issue that in france our image , our personality, our true view in other words our kesri , our pagh is being banned, and noone is being able to do anythin about it. Today after reading on the newspapers the word BANNED with the word TURBAN makes us feel so angry it makes our blood boil and we feel like just going to france and doing sumthing..which we maybe can but mostly cant......

    The only reason our shaheeds gave lives were to protect ther image that our guru'z had given us and today some STUPID FRANCE GOVERNMENT is trying to take it away ...WHO IN THE WORLD GAVE A GOVT. THE RIGHTS TO TAKE OVER OUR RELIGION AND TELL US SIKHS WHAT TO DO!!........NOONE!!

    This is in other words a threat to our religion in france because if someone is wearing a turban it tells that there are sikh and the youth in france can not wear a turban because the govt. banned it ......how will our religion grow in france???

    I noe by me typping al this hear nothing is rell

    y going to happen the most that can happen is maybe a few of the people who read this or maybe all will realize that we need to atleast try to talk to someone and see what can be done to save our turban in france and save out true image in france.

    and im veryu very very sory if i was offensive to anyone in any ways

    BHUL CHUKK MUAFF KARNI _/\_

    Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    pray.gif P.S.-----> and i would love it if everyone who views this topic plz leave a reply leaving your own views on what i wrote and wat can we do about it....thankz allot Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

  15. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    let me plz put in my point of view, and it is that it has been proved that they did do it they have said it with there own mouthes, ajeab singh bagri has admitted himself and he is related 2 me 2 i have been going 2 the court but the thing is that he did it with sardar malik for a big reason and the reason is called "REVENGE" gursikhs it is a thing in our religion that if we are being tortured we hve 2 stand up for eachuther and not 2 frget that guru granth sahibs were put on fire and burnt down in 1984 who can frget such incidents our sisters and mothers were raped and brothers and fathers were kiled ,gursikhs maybe u can frget that but there are people in this world who cant and are always seeking for revenge and this revenge had ameaning behind it and "YES" maybe innocent ppl were killed in 85 but can you count how many were killed in 84 becuz ni sure can count that how m,any were kied in 85..my point is just that its a punjabi saying

    "JO KARUNGE SO BHARUNGE"

    and i am now dead sure that these 2 gursikhs r going 2 be freed within 2 months becuz the next court is on 19 oct 2004 and in that court date the judge has said that he will give in his view on the case by now and claim that who is innocent and he has said that the govt. does not have any strong proof..

    bhull chukk muaff karnii_/\_

    Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

  16. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    Pyare jio, Che Guevara once famously said, I only need 6 guns to build cuba, but I need thousands of books. He knew the importance of spreading the ideologue that he believed in. It is motivated minds that build nations.

    Similarly in the khalistan movement, when you had inspirational Gursikhs like Baba Jarnail Singh who spoke to the masses. Then you had Gursikhs like Bhai Sukhdev Singh babbar and Bhai Anokh singh Babbar, who`s jeevans personified their message, the movement was strong.

    The reason the khalistan movement is currently very weak is because there is no-one in punjab who is spreading the khalsa idealogue. That is the key, not what happens here or Canada, but what happens in Punjab.

    At the moment we just have hundreds of fake babas spreading kachhie bani, fake akalis representing a BJP/RSS agenda, and very weak jathebandies.

    Dissemination of idealogue is where sikhs are lacking on the worldwide platform.

    Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    very nice reply i really like the way u reppresented ur reply its very meaningful and ur rite about india man its just brural about all these fake baba'z tehre jsut gonners

    r>Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

  17. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    pyare veero atte painno, the movement isnt dead and never will die, maybe for you it mite and maybe for sum others it mite but it will always be there in someones heart or the other.....khalistan...is not a small word its a great word its a word that represents a home of sikhs.----you see i read allot on this website somethings that i find really offensive 2 like some1 posted--that khalistan will never be made even the name isnt rite

    khalistan---khali--stan---meaning empty space he said first the name should be changed and after reading that i thought that who in the world is he to rename the home of sikhs when some1 has already named it khalistan ....you see if we sikhs want 2day we still can do anything we want

    wat did the shaheds of 80 and 90's have in them just self-confidence and full-trust on god and thats just wat made them rise like something never before.... and im sure if a sikh has that 2day he can do the same

    today the whole world thinks that babbar khalsa is a terrorist group and yea maybe wat they did was kinda rong maybe they did kill some innocent ppl but they just tried doin sumthin for the revenge of 1984 which not many ppl could do and plus so many innocents were killed in 84 did anyone even try caring about those ppl even the U.N.O. turned there face at that time i feel ashamed lookin at the humans 2day how heartless can they get.. i'd just say ajaeb bhagri and ripudaman singh malik are great ppl and so r ll the other jathebandi ppl and may god bless them and let them do sumthing for our panth if we cannot.......

    and brother for ur question is the movement dead 2 it is

    not once the rite time comes trust me the jathebandi's will do sumthing as i think and prove there movement a success because there still are ppl who do not just talk on computers about the religion like us and really keep faith in doing sumthin.....im sorry if i ever sound harsh thats just da way i am

    bhull chukk muaff karni_/\_

    and just a last question from me brothers and sisters do u think i am rite or rong

  18. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    the 4- 5 threads i wrote b4 i dint really get good or i should say nice reply's the reply's were kinda mean. but hey a sikh is a perso who never gives up so ill still keep posting.

    u see the thing i mostly concentrate on is umthing that i think many ppll think is wrong or not appropriate i unno y. and dat is taking revenge of 1984 and making a own home for sikhs....is dat rong sikhs plz anser me

    am i rong and y????

    bhull chukk muaff_/\_

    INFO.VCD

  19. blah blah blah

    vaaheguroojikakhalsavaaheguroojikifatehh!!

    its all talk ... 1 more thing paul_84 your talking about khalistan your the one who deals drugs at school and gets kicked out so i would practice what i preach and i also think you should not have brought alcohol and drugs into " khalsa school" where there is a gurdawara..

    bhulla chuka maff

    vaaheguroojikakhalsavaaheguroojikifatehh!!

    i unno wat da hell ur talkin bout taksali kaur but yea sorry people if u dint like my topic fateh

  20. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    welll,,,,after lookin at the conditions of our sikh panth today i'd say our panth really does need a khalistan ...The main question is "what are we doing sitting around---dont we have a khalistan to make????" we should be completing the dreams of sant jarnail singh khalsa bhindrawale ji and we should be makin khalistan..till now only the babbar khalsa has made an attempt 2 do something for the khalsa and they were claimed as terrorists ......U see if we look at it ...if khalistan will be made the movement will have 2 be started by a sikh jathebandi frum any country other than india because the sikhs in the govt of india have frgotten our sikhi they have frgotten 1984 they have frgotten sant ji......but we should not frget ourpanth and wat our sikhs gave shaheedi for in 1984....In punjab now if in any shop there is put up a picture of sant jairnail singh khalsa bhindrawale ji the person goes to jail ......and that is only because our sikhs in india do not noe how 2 fighjt for there rights...and being afraid frum the cops the sikhs take out the pictures......i feel ashaimed lookin at the conditions of the govt. of punjab and i hope that all u sikhs are with me and r hoping 2 make khalistan ..............the main problem was dat after 1984 our khalsa panth did not get a leader like santji and if we would have got a leader so then our khalistan would have been in india by now.............i just hope that u sikhs read upon my topic and shoot in ur brains and think that shouldnt we be going to jathebandi's and making khalistan in india???????????????????????............BHULL CHUKK MAFF_/\_

    PAUL RAI tuhadi sewa wich

  21. hey yo man i really like how u go deep and how u like finding out so much abou sikhi and khalistan man but trust me if i had the map on me id even make a jathebandi 2 get that sweet khalisatn made either by peace or by shastar use .........later bro and ya if u get the map plz email it 2 me identity_unknown01@hotmail.com...................and joga_singh plz dont post cuz no1 likes ur replies bro...............bhull chuck muaff............waheguroo ji ka khalsa waheguroo ji ki fateh

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