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VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

"Punj singhs can only do benti to Guru Sahib( as happened during Chamkaur jung when punj singhs did benti to Guru Sahib to leave the fort."

Guru Gobind Singh was commanded by the Punj Pyare to leave Chamkaur Sahib because the benti was refused. Furthermore, when Guru Sahib tested the Punj Pyare concept when he lowered his arrow towards a grave site in respect and was conferred a tankha by the Punj Pyare. So the Punj Pyare had the full authority to command Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

The fifth Takhat is Takhat Damdama Sahib per the Panth. If anyone has a problem with it, take it up with the Akal Takhat Sahib and Takhat Damdama Sahib. Jathedars of the 5 Takhats do not have the name of the Buddha Dal Jathedar in that list.

Damdami Taksal is an institution started by Guru Sahib by historical accounts. It's a school, which teaches Gurbani Kirtan, Paath, Santhiya. Please provide a statement or historical account (reference) that delineates Damdami Taksal as the police of the Sikh Panth. The only "policing" authority is the Punj Pyare or Sarbat Khalsa.

Buddha Dal was the dal which incorporated aging Nihungs, which were to provide direction to the Tarna Dal and take the seva of looking after Sikh Gurdwarae. Tarna Dal were the younger Nihungs who were active in combat.

It is a SAMPARDAA and not just an institute.

Can u imagine a person who is the head of the school of semantics, Harvard university, USA and at the same time, the same person is a top general in US army ????

My parents looking to get me married for the last 2 months but here in Punjab people seem to have a big problem with the banaa. How do people in the nihang community get married ? Is there any newspaper/website for nihangi matrimonials.

A Nihung Singh is someone who has done sewa in the Dal Panth (ie Budha Dal). Just by wearing a dhumalla or Banaa does not make you a Nihung Singh.

azaad paaji,each and every singh is a nihung..baki zarroi ne u must do sewa then ur a nihung..if u follow the way of nihung style and wear banaa and dhammal ur a nihung singh yes its good u must do sewa in dal to know their renee benee that i agree .............

Vere nice post! Azaad( and his gang members,lol) were a bit too harsh too me.

I am in constant touch with Nihang Singhs(on this website) and I am constantly learning the renni/benni, rehit maryada of Budha Dal. I also try my best to promote the Nihang rehit and I try my best to correct the negative image of Nihangs in the society. I wanted to do sarbloh langar de seva every Sunday at the Chaunni but there is no bibek/nihang rehit being followed at the langar place.I also wanted to learn preparing the shaheedi degh(with maryada that Baba Mitt Singh Jee followed) and do the seva of preparing shaheedi degh at the chaunni but thats not been done at the chaunni.

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

"Punj singhs can only do benti to Guru Sahib( as happened during Chamkaur jung when punj singhs did benti to Guru Sahib to leave the fort."

Guru Gobind Singh was commanded by the Punj Pyare to leave Chamkaur Sahib because the benti was refused. Furthermore, when Guru Sahib tested the Punj Pyare concept when he lowered his arrow towards a grave site in respect and was conferred a tankha by the Punj Pyare. So the Punj Pyare had the full authority to command Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

The fifth Takhat is Takhat Damdama Sahib per the Panth. If anyone has a problem with it, take it up with the Akal Takhat Sahib and Takhat Damdama Sahib. Jathedars of the 5 Takhats do not have the name of the Buddha Dal Jathedar in that list.

Damdami Taksal is an institution started by Guru Sahib by historical accounts. It's a school, which teaches Gurbani Kirtan, Paath, Santhiya. Please provide a statement or historical account (reference) that delineates Damdami Taksal as the police of the Sikh Panth. The only "policing" authority is the Punj Pyare or Sarbat Khalsa.

Buddha Dal was the dal which incorporated aging Nihungs, which were to provide direction to the Tarna Dal and take the seva of looking after Sikh Gurdwarae. Tarna Dal were the younger Nihungs who were active in combat.

WATCH OUT THE WORDS U USE. Otherwise, CHITTAR PAINNE TERE.

Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaaj were 10th Nanak i e Satguru jee and at the same time, Dashmesh Pita were the COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE ARMY. The punj singhs DID NOT COMMAND Guru Sahib. It was a more of benti that "Guru jee u told us that if 5 singhs will say something u will agree. so please Guru jee, U are our everything, U are our father, mother, U are the very life of our soul, its our benti that please please Guru Jee leave this fort and let us fight these cowards who are in lakhs are attacking a handful of singhs"

Regarding the lowering of arrow sakhi, that was a test(sikhiyaa) by the 10th Nanak (as commander in chief of the khalsa army) that whether , the punj singhs will be able to correct/even hukam a commander-in-chief.

My parents looking to get me married for the last 2 months but here in Punjab people seem to have a big problem with the banaa. How do people in the nihang community get married ? Is there any newspaper/website for nihangi matrimonials.

A Nihung Singh is someone who has done sewa in the Dal Panth (ie Budha Dal). Just by wearing a dhumalla or Banaa does not make you a Nihung Singh.

If you wish to get married, approach the Jathedar of the Dal you did sewa in and ask for aagaya and they'll sort you out with a Gursikh life Partner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice post I agree. I am not yet a proper nihang singh but hopefully I will become one in the future.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Sorry to deviate this thread but just picking up on a point made by Harinder Singh. Why was Baba Banda Singh Ji Bahadhur made commander in chief of the Khalsa armies if Bhai Binod Singh Ji was the jathedhar of the Budha Dal and therefore the 'Dal Panth'?

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Baba Banda Singh Jee was the commander in chief . Trust me. The history of Sarbloh Granth Jee is also connected to this event I feel. Dont UNDERESTIMATE my intution. Yes, I agree I need more time and SANGAT to make my intutions more accurate and precise.

Are there any Rangretta Nihangs who have a chaunni adjacent to a Gurdwara of 9th Maharaj in Sri Anandpur Sahib ????????????/

These Nihangs have some sort of connection with Bhai Jeevan Singh jee(Jaita jee).......

Vali Singh is again correct with his blessed Dal Panth Knowledge, dhan Gurmukha

The 5th Takht has always been Chalda Vaheer, as vali singh stated to ensure the panth is run correctly and the way the Khalsa should be run.

I was thinking yesturday how the British and the SGPC have lead sikhi astray in many ways, real singhs know whats what, but the way they have sneaked into our bir rass samparda's is obvious.

First they removed Dasam granth from Akaal Takht, shortended rehraas like to 15 minutes which has lead to the panth being starved of Bir Rass.

These SGPC are masands just goblins, reminds me of those masands Dasam Pita set fire to alive in Anandpur! Cant wait till the Khalsa takes over the Akaal Takht again.

Regarding people doing nindya of Sant Baba Santa Singh the paap is on your head!

Akaal

My intution tells me something more. Budha Dal is not just a dal, it is a samparda from Guru Hargobind Jee's time. Budha Dal Akaalis are from 6th Maharaaj's time and Budha Dal Akaalis became Budha Dal Akaali Nihangs when Baba Fateh Singh Jee tied dumalla. Budha Dal has been given the responsibility to take care of Akal Takht by 6th Maharaj. I also feel Budha Dal Jathedaar = jathedaar of Akaal Takht(NOT punjavan takht) + Head Granthi Harmandir Sahib.

Jathedaar of Dal Khalsa(Budha Dal + Bidhi Chand Dal + more Dals can be added with time) = Jathedaar of punjavan Takht + Head of the Panth.

I feel that AKJ can be made a Dal , kes-ki is/can be a kakaar for the Dal(this kes-ki helps in tying dohraa dastaar). I feel we have the perfect model for the UNITY of the panth here.

Vali Singh is again correct with his blessed Dal Panth Knowledge, dhan Gurmukha

The 5th Takht has always been Chalda Vaheer, as vali singh stated to ensure the panth is run correctly and the way the Khalsa should be run.

I was thinking yesturday how the British and the SGPC have lead sikhi astray in many ways, real singhs know whats what, but the way they have sneaked into our bir rass samparda's is obvious.

First they removed Dasam granth from Akaal Takht, shortended rehraas like to 15 minutes which has lead to the panth being starved of Bir Rass.

These SGPC are masands just goblins, reminds me of those masands Dasam Pita set fire to alive in Anandpur! Cant wait till the Khalsa takes over the Akaal Takht again.

Regarding people doing nindya of Sant Baba Santa Singh the paap is on your head!

Akaal

My intution tells me something more. Budha Dal is not just a dal, it is a samparda from Guru Hargobind Jee's time. Budha Dal Akaalis are from 6th Maharaaj's time and Budha Dal Akaalis became Budha Dal Akaali Nihangs when Baba Fateh Singh Jee tied dumalla. Budha Dal has been given the responsibility to take care of Akal Takht by 6th Maharaj. I also feel Budha Dal Jathedaar = jathedaar of Akaal Takht(NOT punjavan takht) + Head Granthi Harmandir Sahib.

Jathedaar of Dal Khalsa(Budha Dal + Bidhi Chand Dal + more Dals can be added with time) = Jathedaar of punjavan Takht + Head of the Panth.

In other topic going on this forum, Veer Valli Singh Jeeoo stated that Budha Dal is the 5 takht which is always on the move and keeps a check on the 4 other takhts. I was just thinking about this and I find that this is not completely in accordance with gurmat. Reason for that is only Guru Sahib is 100 % correct. A sikh(irrespective of his avastha) can never be 100 % perfect. As a result if Budha Dal keeps a check on the 4 jathedaars of 4 takhts, there has to be someone who can keep a check on the Budha Dal Jathedaar as well......

I have a feeling that period between 1704-1708 is a very important period in this khalsa history. I have an intution that this might have happened :

Guru Gobind Singh Jee started a samparda, named Damdami Taksal and appointed Baba Deep Singh Jee as the first jathedaar. Damdami Taksal = police of Khalsa nation + school of gurbani education.

After this Guru Sahib, after giving amrit to Baba Banda Singh Jee,and made Baba Banda Singh Jee the commandar in chief of Dal Khalsa (army of Khalsa Nation). Guru jee gave him 5 singhs who could advice/HUKAM to Baba Banda Singh Jee. Punj singhs can only do benti to Guru Sahib( as happened during Chamkaur jung when punj singhs did benti to Guru Sahib to leave the fort) but can give hukam to the commander in chief of the army of Khalsa nation. So basically, there are 4 takhts and 1 Damdami Taksali and their jathedaars are the 5 Singh Sahibaan. Dal Khalsa is the chakarvarti punjavan takht. This model makes very good sense to me.

Jathedaar of Dal khalsa= Head of army + Head of Khalsa Nation

Jathedaar of Damdami Taksal = Head of Police + Principal of school of gurbani

education.

Jathedaars of 4 Takhts + Jathedaar of Damdami Taksal = 5 Singh Sahibaan who can advice and in some rare case even hukam to Jathedar of Dal Khalsa.

I am not trying to be pro-nihang or something. Lets forget all the mess of the last 150 years, all the differences in rehit-maryadas for a minute and assume that we are the panth of 1708. This model makes perfect sense to me.

Yogi Harbhajan singh must be still proud of his "White team" he used to show of alot.

This what happens for not teaching them the correct path.

wjkk wjkf!

Oh come on now, now your slandering a man who actually did the reverse by taking a generation of drug addicts off intoxicants through Yoga and Sikhi. Their are far more examples of those coming off drugs than the one video of a Boy doing drugs as shown in the youtube video (which mind you makes no reference to 3HO)

I think theres a hint of prejudice against 3HO which is being exposed in this thread.

I have seen Brown "Singhs" smoke, do Bhangra (they're definitely going to hell now!), drink along with many other things. Its also not uncommon for so called "Gyanis" to be caught in cases of molestation or seen going to strip clubs, etc.

Now contrary to popular belief, these happenings are very common in the Punjabi community and sometimes these individuals belong to "Jathas" .... now are we willing to... or do we find it appropriate to label that entire Jatha?

If not, why are we doing it in this thread. I can guarantee you much worse things happen outside the 3HO community than inside.

Majority of the 3HO ppl do dance and do un gurmat things...taking off your kakkars while doing ANYTHING is wrong, even goin on a plane and taking your kirpan is rong, but is more understandable and more acceptable in socciety for some reason...and the fact that poeple keep defending these 3HO lots is disgusting, and to try to say well people in punjab are doing the same thing does mean anything, all it means is that in punjab there corrupt and so are these 3HO ppl. Majority of khalsa panth(REAL KHALSA) Would NEVER accept this kind of behavior.

The best way to correct 3HO sikhs is for the brown sikhs(in west and punjab) to lead by example.

I agree dancing is manmatt but its better than the "tatt khalsa" dating their sisters in the late night kirtans. 3HO sikhs do their manmatt activities OPENLY and dont hide or act clever.

The bestt way to correct 3HO sikhs is for someone like Baba Mitt Singh Jee, Baba Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale to take birth in the west. RESPECT IS EARNED(not forced) and running to west via cheating, running after jannanis to west, using fake asylums, etc is not going to earn the respect of 3HO.

Dearest Blissful Sikh Jee,

I'm glad to hear that my words meant something to you . As i said you have magically stumbled across Sikhism and that is remarkable .It must be quite unpleaant for you to suddenly realise that the 2 things that mean a lot to you dont really go hand in hand .But such is life ,where we have to make choices and sacrifices .Indeed Sikhism is about making the right choice and about sacrifice . Even if hemp has anything good in it it is only one of the things of this world .Sikhism however looks after your ' lokh and parlokh'(this life and afterlife.At the root of sikhism lies a secret .This secret is called Naam /Shabad / Amrit. Amrit is the divine celestial unseen cosmic fluid that grants you immortal powers/supernatural power and removes any sickness etc etc .Even a tiny micro drop of this fluid that Gurujee gives you and releases within your consciousness ,results in something like a Big Bang within you akin to a new universe being created .Rather then hemp ,pray and yearn to Gurujee to give you this amrit because once you get it ,hemp is like a tiny toy before the mighty force of amrit .Amrit will make you lose your dependency on hemp to cure your condition ,amrit will bring lion's strength into your muscles ,Amrit will awaken the inner hero in you ,Amrit will awaken your senses ,Amrit will help you experience divine intoxication like you never experienced before ,Amrit will make you look and feel so very high without any drugs or alcohol . I do not take any drugs or alcohol ,but i have lost count of the number of times people thought i was either drunk or very high on drugs because of Amrit flowing through my being .Amrit makes you the guy wiv the biggest broadest smile wivout a penny in your pocket .Amrit makes you feel as light as a feather ,Amrit makes your mind body and soul so so magical that you become a living force spewing forth with ideas ,radiant with joy ,and there is sunshine in your life . If you read history it is filled wiv harrowing stories of terible physical wounds and injuries of the martyrs who had to fight for the faith but it was Amrit that gave them the strength to undergo such sufferings and painful deaths .

Look at the story i told you earlier about rob .Other people i know are still on secondary drugs to cure them of their primary drug depency ,depression ,bi-polar and still need counselling and still need attend AA and NA meetings .But Rob turned to Naam ,to Bani ,and never needed to look back .Now he can carry on wiv his life as normal .This is the power in Sikhi . I know you have been very influenced by that book you read but as you grow older you will realise that except for Guru Granth Sahib ,the truth does not all come in one book .All authors have a way of convincing their readers that they are the presenters of the ultimate truth .However age and experience teach you to take things with a pinch of salt ,to realise that you have to read around a lot to have a balanced view of things .Maybe you need to read Guru Granth Sahib from A to Z in an online translation and only trust Gurujee's words as the gospel truth ,nobody else's .

You mentioned that you will be taking cannabis all your life as its your belief . I do question that because the future of everything is in God's hands and only He knows how this unpredictable journey of life is going to make us shed our old beliefs and take on new ideas along the way .The secret of life is not to be stubborn and cling like dear life to your beliefs but to be light footed like a leopord and only interest yourself in the pursuit of truth .Guru Nanak never asks his Sikhs to have a set of beliefs and to be die-hard stubborn about them .Instead Gurujee asks us to search for the Truth . You will see the words meaning truth like 'sach', 'sat' , strewn all over gurbani ,and the word sikh itself means a seeker of the truth .

i am not interested in living my life according to a bunch of opinions and beliefs but im definately interested in living a life based on seekng the REAL truth behind all things .Beliefs are like temporary clouds but truth is the glorious sunshine .

I noted with joy that you wake up to read panj bani every morning .However please start to read them very slowly ,going through their translation . Japjee is like a ladder ,you will note ,each stanza is like a ladder rung taking you to a higer linked related understanding in the next rung of the ladder .It creates out of you a human being totally non dependent on drugs whose consciousness abides in the powerful region of sachkhand or the realm of truth .In the next prayer -Jaap you come face to face with a Supreme Cosmic Energiser who is omnipresent/omniscient and omnipotent who could in a blink of a second remove you of any life long dependency on cannabis ..Next you through through Tav prasad savaiyeh ,which jolts you into living in a surrendered state to the spirit of God within you rather than to your littl;e beliefs .And that humbly propels you to read then the Benti chaupyee ,where through 25 very short 4 line poems you pray wiv all your heart to the Divine Consciousness i.e God to grab you and look after you .And ultimately then you swim your way through 40 beautiful short poems of the Anand Sahib like a swan smiling in bliss and glee and anand .

Likewise,you mentioned that at 6a.m you do Naam Simran .i really luv you for that .When you do that remember its not a meaningless mantra you chant but its a password to connect you to the most magical oceon of the greatest most powerful drug you could find on earth i.e Amrit within you .Hence remember that you are praising through ''wah '' ,the living god presence/substance in you called ''Guru''.If you focus on simran as a mode for you to get online(like you do on msn mesenger) wiv God within you ,you are in for a pleasant surprise hahaaaaa .

Further ,i strongly urge you to get in contact with other young blessed sikhs in your area .you must be in USA or Canada hence there are a few organisations with a lot of young inspired ,enthusiastic ,bubbling sikhs there of your age . I think this includes the AKJ/DODRA/3HO organisations if you google on them .This will help you to really get in touch with sikhs and the sikh way of life .Also get hold of a copy of a book called the '' Spirit Born People'' by professor puran singh .

This are exciting times for you i can see .You are waking up to a life where you can drug free and suddenly you are realising that in fact this sikhism you have come across is not just a little philosophy or set of eastern beliefs that can conveniently sit together with a cannabis smoking lifestyle with a little chanting on the side .,But in fact that SIKHISM is a beautiful advanced ,progressive way of life based on simple ,non drug based living ,empowered and fuelled by Amrit the secret mystical cosmic liquid of God that creates a lion out of a man and gives you immortal power and life .

Read some online stories of sikh martyrs ,and read about the Khalsa and you will realise that you are facing the greatest challenge of your life.On one hand faces you bleakly a life based on dependency on a drug called cannabis(well justified by a few book writers who aint God ),where you want to live a life of synthesis incorporating cannabis and a mild weakened diluted version of sikhism . On the other ,Sikhism offers you a chance to completely liberate yourself of cannabis and be transformed into a ''man lion(singh)'',i.e a sant siphaee(saint soldier) and a KHALSA .

A similar dilemna like yours was posted by another heroin recovering guy who was on methadone/cannabis support on this website a few months ago .please read through all the posts for that thread too ,and my contribution too as i mentioned on it an israeli based theraphy that takes away the need for a life long dependency on cannabis .There is not a single experience ,not a single benefit ,not a single high state you can experience with cannabis that you cannot experience a trillion trilliion times better through Naam Simran .

Guru Nanak wants to hold your hand ,but He wants you to come to Him Empty handed like a beggar ,not with your baggage of beliefs and opinions .He knows how to transform you into a star and He knows how to light a little fire in your haystack that will burn away all your addictions ,your illnesses and your depressions ,but you need to surrender to Him unconditionally .Then as Japjee morning prayer says ,you will conquer your mind ,and through that conquer your universe .Come to Guru Nanak as the lowliest beggar ,Come to Him with hands up ,Come to Him naked ,Come to him depending on nothing and no one ,Come to Him broken hearted and Guru Nanak will lift you in his arms like a baby ,cuddle you ,kiss you ,caress you and keep you as His .

That was me that you are talking about, that old post about the heroin addict.

And for the other person saying that I'm: "Replacing one drug with another, and I don't want to talk about it because I can't prove anything I say and I'M the one who is full of rubbish." can't prove a thing he says.

Scientists have proven Cannabis adds more neuron pathways in your brain, thus making you smarter. There has never been one death from Cannabis, and if you think me using a MEDICINE such as Cannabis is as bad as heroin addiction then you have not a CLUE of the reality of the situation.

And no, I don't mix tobacco with my cannabis, it is a horrible plant that Guru Gobind Singhs horse would not even go near.

I do read my Bani and rehras and Kirtan Sohilas with the most pure of intentions, infact sometimes it takes me forever just to get through each one because I have to re-read and re-read something becaues it just amazes me.

Thank you all for your kind words and hope! One day I will be well and sober and without the need of this plant, but until then I will use it. And when I am not using it as a medicine for myself I will incourage others who are ill to use it, and as for HEMP being used as a fuel and textile, I will ALWAYS support.

I just can't wait until September, the last step of my healing process will be bathing in the Sarovar at the Golden Temple and then doing tons of Seva.

Blissful Sikh,

If u were a girl, I would have married u FORCEFULLY. I would have come on a horse(with an AK-47 tied to a second gaatra) and WOULD HAVE PICKED U UP.

We need to bring back our Original Puratan Sikhi of course with some reforms .May Waheguru clear Sikhi of people who have anglicized and islamised Sikhi..

As for congress party meddling, if that is the case then isn't Balbir Singh just following Santa's example? It's a bit rich complaining about congress meddling when that's all what the Budha dal have been about for the last 30 years or so. Next you'll be complaining that one of the factions is being backed by the Indian government! How quickly we forget or is it that some people don't know what happened just 25 years ago!

Valli Singh

You might want to read up on history before taking the words of some Nihangs that Budha Dal is 'Panjvan' Takht. For there to be a Panjvan Takht there has to be 4 other Takhts. Akal Takht was the first Takht and during British times various places were given titles of Takhts. Even Muktsar was at one time referred to as Takht. The term Panjvan Takht came into being in the 1920s and has nothing to do with Guru Gobind Singh's time.

proactive, you seem to be in quite a slanderous mood

doing nindaya of Baba Santa Singh ji who has done more seva for the Panth in his one lifetime than all the future generations of your family could do in a million incarnations, shame on you.

Baba Santa Singh Sahib has preserved and spread the wisdom of Sri Sarbloh Granth ji and Prachin Panth Prakash across the world, what have you spread other than slander and ignorance in your own limited sphere?

You are right, why should we listen to Nihangs who hold Guruji's Bana when we can freely partake of the wisdom of someone who takes their name from a popular acne solution?

I would pay to see you venture into Talwandi Sabo and tell Baba Surjit Singh's chaunni that they are not Panjvan Takht.

Mahan Kosh states that the four non-moving takhats are: Keshgarh Sahib, Hazur Sahib, Patna Sahib and Akal Takht,

Budha Dal has always functioned as a non-local takht which is why Maharaja Ranjit Singh was subjected to punishment by Akali Phoola Singh ji, this is because Budha Dal's role is to ensure that the other four takhts function in accordance with Gurmat.

This role is even symbolized in the Nihang Bana itself:

"The tall turban called a damala is surmounted by a cloth or a flag (pharhara). Around this turban are placed one or two steel or iron rings/quoits. The vertical position of where this ring is worn signifies the individuals spiritual attainment; the higher the ring the greater the spiritual development. There main diagrammatic symbol for explaining their idea of chakravorty is the swastika: which symbolises rotational movement through four static points around a centre. The four points represent the four established Takhts, and the rotation through them represent the moving fifth Takht of the Nihangs that is meant to keep the four stationary Takhts in check."

http://philtar.ucsm.ac.uk/encyclopedia/sikhism/akalis.html

O MY LORD!

Valli Singh,

Can u tell something about Mahakaal ? Is Mahakaal the same as God(Waheguru) or he is a faculty of God ???????????????????????????????????

U seem to be possess good knowledge(intellectual + spiritual).

Akalifaujan,

As usual you are absolutely on point.

I agree, the Balbir policy has been a wallowing failure for the SGPC as a 'public relations stunt' to infiltrate Dal Panth, I'm sure they thought they could buy legitimacy, obviously they were wrong.

When Balbir originally broke with Baba Santa Singh, he was disgraced (many have spoken of his love for alcohol and debauchery) he was a confused youth, the SGPC immediatley approached him and set him up as the jathedar recognized by 3 of the 5 takhats, if you look back to newspaper articles from this time you will see that EVERY paper refers to Balbir as the head of Budha Dal, even now the article originally posted again says he is the head of Budha Dal---who but the SGPC has this kind of reach and credibility?

It's funny though, in 2007 after Balbir's coronation, the SGPC had all the papers and news outlets print that Nanaksar, Kaleran; Rara Sahib, Nirmalay Sampardai, Damdami Taksal all supported Balbir, the NEXT day ALL of these Sampardais angrily called these papers and told them they were with Baba Joginder Singh ji NOT Balbir and could they please correct this.

So publicity wise it has not worked, but in terms of siezing Budha Dal's assets, deras, lands and properties they have succeded because Balbir took the thumbprints of Baba Santa Singh when he was in a coma, in fact it was widely reported in Punjab that Balbir sold hundreds of acres of Budha Dal's land to the SGPC shortly after he was named jathedar in 2007, I guess he was just thanking his bosses.

I LOVE Vallli Singh. He is a sweet, cute, sohnaaa, pyara veer of mine.

By the way:

Those of of you who say

1) Who cares about the world, we are just supposed to care about our own soul.

2) All you need is "Naam" when you are terminally ill or very sick and in pain.

If you believe either of those things, you have NEVER been seriously ill before.

Shame on you. Hemp is NOT some negative drug, it is one of the greatest medicines ever.

But as said before, I will be heading to India to learn Punjab (So I can read the Guru Granth Sahib) and do Seva at the Golden Temple and elsewhere.

Dear Veer, I can understand from where u are coming. Its a free world and if u wish to take cannabis/hemp(in reasonable amounts), u have the freedom. At the same time, hukka(smoking non-tobacco drugs) is a bajjar kurehit(cardinal sin) in my book. IF u wish to take hemp/cannabis, dont smoke it.(u are IMMENSELY hurting the fellow sikhs by smoking ).

I COMPLETELY AGREE that as a sikh we need to care for the world and environmentalism is one important part of it(there are some people who over do the enviroment thing for popularity or to hide their weakenss to stand against injustice).

Its a selfish world and people have become selfish in spirituality too. U seem to be a pure hearted person and people like you can EASILY RISE MUCH HIGHER in spirituality tthan these selfish spiritual guys if u keep proper rehitt.

I consider u a PYARAA dear cute brother of mine and its an order/threat

DONT DARE TO SMOKE AGAIN!

I recently travelled to Italy via Germany,

I was told by a Sardar Ji in Rome, that it has become 'Southall' in some parts there.

Rome was great as a tourist place, and I even spotted an Italian Singh. You just need to know some Italian and explain that you are a Vegetarian Sikh to everyone.

Germany was just a stop n go, so I can't say too much about it.

But let's be honest here, wherever the Sikhs go, they should go with High Spirits.

"If we don't see the changes in the world that we desire, let's bring the changes and INspire"

Thats an interesting post. I can get the phd in Italy as well.

Yes, I will be going with high spirits. I dont fear death(sorry for the haumme). But for me dignity is more important than life and if some goraa attacks my faith witth delibrate and cunning intentions( I will spare him if he does it out of misinformation) , I will launch dharam yudh in europe :gatka-singhni:

You'll be fine. Rural parts of most western European countries are pretty cool, people are very much like Punjabis. PM me your e-mail address, I will put you in contact with a Yogi sikh who is from near there.

There a lot of Hippies in those parts and Goths! Anything goes!!

Other thing is, same as UK, you get trouble if you look for it or if you are at stupid places at stupid times i.e. clubs at night time.

I have gone through that phase of my life. I might be 25 but I have really become an EXTREMELY sauuuuuu and darvess person, hahahahahhaha. Even during my manmukhi days, I never enjoyed night clubs, late night disc, etc. I always preferred desi punjabi thekkaaas, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

when i saw 'sikh converts' and 'germans' in the thread title........ :think ....... i knew it could only be one person who would ask about it... :ww::

My love for germans is not because I feel they are some pure race. Infact, I love dutch more than germans. I feel a sikh who believes in caste, colour shud be thrown out of the panth. At the same time, I feel one's ancestory history, one's occupation has an effect on ones personality (these effects can be nullified by huge amount of naam kamayee but there are few people who are able to do that much kamayee). Last time, I was in europe I had really good time with germans. I was a mona then and I taught them bhangra and brrruuaaa. They were pretty sincere to me. They were very much like my jatt friends of Punjab.

Majority, if not all German Sikh converts are Yogis, I know quite a few. There are many Germans looking for spirituality and they usually find their way into Indian religions via study of Ayurved, Indian Classical Music or Yoga.

Acceptance is like everywhere else, you have those who are open midned and those that are afraid - which is caused by ignorance and leads to hate.

Yesterday I got a Phd offer from Koblenz(90 km from cologne). I wear bana outside my professional life. The Phd is pretty easy and I will have enough time to enjoy nature and do gurbani abhiyaas. My mom, sis scared due to the bana. Will it be major problem

???( i do expect odd racial comment here and there...). Can I get into contact with some gorraa sikh veer from Germany ??????

Wow Veer Jee, if you're using Cannabis instead of Methadone to overcome your Heroin addiction then that's fine and good, but I would humbly request that you don't wear a Kirpan and put videos on youtube of you doing so, and please make sure you're totally clean before you take Guru Sahib's Amrit, and that you don't take any non-medicinal drugs after that! Including Cannabis after which you no longer use it for medicinal purposes, but may still have the idea that you are.

ਮੇਰਾ ਬੈਦੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਵਿੰਦਾ ॥

maeraa baidh guroo govi(n)dhaa ||

My physician is the Guru, the Lord of the Universe.

The Guru is your Doctor, and the Naam is your medicine :D

Shaheedi degh(with 5 leaves) can be taken. It is very good for digestive and nervous system. Shaheedi degh has a place in our rehit maryada but the type of sikhs we have these days, they will say "oh this is maha paap, maha manmatt". They will call a person like me bhanggii, nasherriiii, mad, hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

There is a decent sikh population in Germany. Are there any germans who have adopted the sikh faith ???

Do sikhs in germany face racism or are germans respectful to the sikh community ????

Thanks

non intoxicating shaheedi degh is known as Shardai

Our aim is to take the true Shaheedi Degh which is NAAM! Anything else comes second, its very easy to get into all these traditions, but our ultimate aim (the hardest) is to be engrossed in Naam and Gurbani, these are the TRUE shaster, the best shaster of all!

aakhan aoukhaa saachaa naao ||

It is so difficult to chant the True Name.

Thats true, it is known as Shardai which is best, and youre correct on Naam, thats what its about, that is the true rass and thats what we must practise, but the traditions must also be respected! :1singh1:

Without Naam, without reading and understanding Gurbaani, without doing Simran, without doing Seva, without listening to kirtan and singing it, without listening to Katha and without Sangat, we are dead.

I want to respect the traditions and want to have shaheedi degh according to puratan maryada and it seems that no nihang is ready to help me.

I used to sympathize with Palestinians and their cause.

But time has shown me that one can cry for muslim/Arab causes but they will never cry for us. How many people in India died after terrorist attack in Mumbai, did any of these Arabs even bat an eyelid or drop a tear.

never.

I am not trying to defend muslims, infact I agree with what u say, but hindus are not much different. Modi genocided muslims in gujarat and WON ELECTIONS(gjujrati hindu voted this murderer into power). Indira attacked the house of Guru Nanak Dev Jee and became "Durga" and her son Won elections with a record margin.

I used to sympathize with Palestinians and their cause.

But time has shown me that one can cry for muslim/Arab causes but they will never cry for us. How many people in India died after terrorist attack in Mumbai, did any of these Arabs even bat an eyelid or drop a tear.

never.

I am not trying to defend muslims, infact I agree with what u say, but hindus are not much different. Modi genocided muslims in gujarat and WON ELECTIONS(gjujrati hindu voted this murderer into power). Indira attacked the house of Guru Nanak Dev Jee and became "Durga" and her son Won elections with a record margin.

I often feel that Punjabi Hindus have a hatred for Sikhs in their genes.

Correction, some Punjabi Hindus, not all. In fact most do NOT hate Sikhs but I see where you are coming from and don't totally disagree with you.

It is time that we stopped accepting this sadistic humor and taking it in our stride. Remember to be sadistic is bad and equally bad is to bear sadism.

Agreed. Trust me at times it takes one firm, unmoved and ferocious stare from a Singh that is enough to silence all such jokers.

Mehab Singh, I do understand from where u are coming from but punjabi hindus have earned lots of negative karma for what happened in 80's(and before that as well during punjabi suba). How many punjabi hindus call sikh jhujaroos of 80's freedom fighters ????????????????????

Majority of them consider sikh freedom fighters to be TERRORISTS. Even if some punjabi hindu dint openly support operation bluestar, THEY REMAINED QUIET(which means that deep deep deep down, they supported it).

Yes, there are some paindu punjabi hindus who have lots of love for sikhs and there are some good ones in cities too but such people are PRETTY LESS compared to the total population of Punjabi north indian hindu.

The only hindu I really appreciatte in India is the south indian. They are really cute.I stayed in TAmil Nadu for 4 months and shared room with 2 south indian brothers and I LOVED THEM. Maharashtrain hindu is ok as well. THey could have been very nice but have been BRAINWASHED and ASSIMILATED by bamanns.

Each puratan samparda have their own beliefs which differ to each other.

e.g. Dal Panth, DDT , Nirmaley, Udasi's etc are different to each other but are still connected as brothers in the Khalsa Panth!

Now the sangat can either respect all PURATAN samprada's, or they can just question it according to mid 1900's to the present day mentality of 'we are right, we are the best, they are wrong, they are wrong' :lol:

Dear akaalifaujan, u seem to be a nice cute knowledgable nihang bhujangi. Can u tell me where I can have non-intoxicating shaheedi degh ???? Its pretty risky these days and I dont want to get intoxicated.