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If the R4G want a list of numbers/etc, I can provide it.

As far as I know the R4G campaign as an organisation has "disolved"... . The issue needs to be addressed by the Sikh Federation or British Sikh Council.

Wow You Seem Like You Got Some Personal Hatred With Babbu And Using These posts a way to bring him down.....

Sorry to cause offense..But Babbu has let the situation blow out of proportion...Babbu has sung a 5 minute so called dharmic song in his 60 minutes of Bhangra fame...He has simply made a blanket statement that the whole "Babay" situation is anti-Sikh without giving any clarity that he was "allegedly" only attacking the sirsa, ashutosh's etc..If Babbu wishes to launch a blanket assualt on Gursikhs then Gursikhs have the right to defend and counter-attack..That's all that has hapened here..

Babbu can play the silent victim, Jathebhandis can give wishey washey statements backing or not backing the so-called message in the song...But in reality, what gives us the right to say Babbu has a panthic voice when he himself portrays Sikhi like a marketing tool to promote his latest record or promote himself..when Babbu himself avoids keeping the image of "Baba Nanak".

I have not personally met Baba Ranjit Singh or many other Babay, but have always respected them for their parchaar and guidance they have given millions of Sikhs globally. I have seen the life changing effects of Baba Ranjit iSinghs diwans on members of my own family in both UK and Punjab..I feel that the nature of the personal attacks on Baba Ranjit Singh has been an exploited attack on Sikh parchaar...and I would go as far to say that Babbu has been used as a puppet in all of this....

Perhaps you aint heard of Babbu Maan coz ur too busy massaging the knees of the babay, babaya de godhay bahut dukhday hunday ah, becharay ghaintaya bhaar baithe rehnde han nota di aas vich chaunkri maarke.

DasmeshForce. I know you have a problem with keeping your Kes and you have your own perception of what Sikhs are meant to be. But do take time out and watch the diwans of Baba Ranjit Singh and other Gursikhs on the Sikh Channel and address the misconceptions you seem to have. Sky Channel 840 not channel 833.

How is it a controversial statement to say that Babbu Mann should just come out and say what he meant by this song?

Regardless of what you think about babas (bad or good), you can't possibly be against clarification, can you?

If he wants to be a social critic, then he should be willing to clarify what he means.

If he comes out and says he was targetting bad babas like Sacha Sauda, Dhanwant Singh, Chicagowala, Bhaniarewala, Ashutosh, Asa Ram, etc. everyone (including those on this forum) will support him regarding his album.

As it is, he is just creating divisions.

Precisely.....Babbu has sat back and let the situation get so out of proportion, its so evident there are hidden motives behind this..

I think the 38,000 mentioned are a mixture of Indians, punjabi's maybe a small number. I met some marahati students who were doing pandya di sewa at the Gurdwara and muslim students from banglore taking langar on a regular basis .

India knows the Sikh hospitality and what should be noted is that the mandirs or mosques are NOT providing food or shelter for them....it only the Guru's door which is helping and ironically these Indians know that...

Important Note to the Sikh Parcharaks...Please refrain from using words such as "mona", "kona", "roda", "poda", "coda", "shoda" or "hair cut" as they are likely to cause offense. Please do not make references to "Amrit", "Kes",or anyway use the term "Singh Sajo" as it will cause a youtube riot.. Please refrain from the use of any transport and walk the streets barefoot...Please remain elusive and quiet so that you can be overshadowed by the Punjabi pop singer...Please reduce your fan base so that the pop stars can have a piece of the action...

Sant Jarnail Singh Ji had 3 things that he preached over and over;

Bani Paroh - Read Gurbani

Amrit Shakoh - Take Amrit from the Panj Pyareh

Singh Sajoh - Become decorated as Singhs the sons of the Guru

Sant Ji also taught us how to live.

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Funny how people want to promote the image of Sant Jarnail Singh, they want to sing about Sant Jarnail Singh..but they don't want to do what Sant Jarnail Singh preached.. today is a time of "selective parchaar". Once his biggest ninadaks, now promote Santji's image to back their own agendas...

Anyway great post above!!

On a "serious" note..what he's brought to the surface is the inhert hate towards Sikh parchaar that exists today...Telling someone to keep their kes and take amrit seems to be translated into a big assault aimed at the very heart of the Roday Poday kaum...

Babbu Maan's song has been a big wake up call...it's brought to the surface the hate the these people actually have for the Sikh roop and dharam...people are willing to take time out and produce more and more youtube videos abusing Parcharaks...mocking Gursikh jeevans...

Forget the external dangers...we've go internal dangers brewing in our own houses and people are so into the pop culture they can't see it...looks like these pop stars are becoming the new Gurbachanas...let's see what now materialises..

Jokers!!!!!!!!!!! Everyone really thinks they are a voice of authority.

LOL. We went through the Behzti play, Beadbi of Guru Saroops at banqueting halls, 7 saroops destroyed in a Gurdwara fire, insults towards Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji and all them various federations, them jathebhandi, that dal khalsa uk couldn't utter a word.....but now there's no stopping anyone....even the BSSF have opinions...woah...Babbu Maan has woken the sleeping panth....everyone can now "legitimise" their grieviences with Baba Ranjit Singh by hiding behind Babbu Maan's songs...

Im not anti Moranwali or anti Sant Ranjit Singh Ji

but Babbus album talks about the government giving babas vip red lights and how babas take money from the sangat in the name of kar seva and use it on their own mastiyan.... why would this hurt Sant Dhandrianwaleh and Moranwali... only if they did all this (taking money from sangat and using it on their selves and getting red lights from the government) would they start attacking Babbu Maans song and only then would their cheleh do tapusia

"I am not anti sant but they take the sangats money"...A defensive assault..very clever.... Why not just be bold enough to say that you have a specific issue with Baba Ranjit Singh instead of hidding behing Babbu Maan's song and using it to assault. If you are willing to make accusations that Baba Ranjit Singh "takes money from the sangat" get off your PCs and confront him. You have an open invitation from the Gursikh himself to confront him during his next visit to UK instead of encouraging rumours to be spread.

I'm not hiding behind Babbus song and read what I said 1 more time.... I never wanted to say that Dhandrianwale takes money from people.. your just putting words in my mouth which im not trying to say... I said im not anti Sant ji because i've commented on other posts about the issue and I dont want people to think im anti Dhanrianwaleh... I dont got no specific issue with Sant Ji... All i said was IF Sant Ji did all that then he would get mad about Babbus Song.... Looks like you have a specific problem with Babbu, why don't you go confront him buddy

Sorry...misread your original post. I need to chill out from all these internet debates, it's doing nothing for my Sikhi.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!!!!

Very inspirational post. Thank you...

Im not anti Moranwali or anti Sant Ranjit Singh Ji

but Babbus album talks about the government giving babas vip red lights and how babas take money from the sangat in the name of kar seva and use it on their own mastiyan.... why would this hurt Sant Dhandrianwaleh and Moranwali... only if they did all this (taking money from sangat and using it on their selves and getting red lights from the government) would they start attacking Babbu Maans song and only then would their cheleh do tapusia

"I am not anti sant but they take the sangats money"...A defensive assault..very clever.... Why not just be bold enough to say that you have a specific issue with Baba Ranjit Singh instead of hidding behing Babbu Maan's song and using it to assault. If you are willing to make accusations that Baba Ranjit Singh "takes money from the sangat" get off your PCs and confront him. You have an open invitation from the Gursikh himself to confront him during his next visit to UK instead of encouraging rumours to be spread.

Veer Ji,

I am biased in that I say keep away from Dera and follow no one but Dhan Dhan Guru Ji. I am not a mona but look at all the videos on youtube from mona who have been angered by what they also felt was krodh. There are more pressing issues for the panthic agenda than some youtube video. Take a step back listen to the song and then listen to what the likes of Dhadrianwala and the wife deserter (moronwala) said. There are plenty of other self styled Sants whom not only have lall batti on the car but are always accompanied by Punjab Police gunmen as well, it is them who should have felt the song was aimed at them. So why did Dhadrianwala react in such a way? also the wife deserter himself thought the song was aimed at Dhadrianwala.

The wife deserter also keeps going on about babbu mann attacking the kar sewa wale, I have been of the view for years that they have destroyed our heritage in league with the RSS so they can achieve their agenda of projecting Sikhs as a sect of Hinduism. I could give hundreds of examples where our historical Gurdwara have been replaced by white marbled buildings (most hindu mandirs also have this cheap white marble). Important historical structures such as the Thanda Burj at Sirhind were completely destroyed by so called kar sewa wale baba. The same baba happily oversea the practice of buying thousands of extra bags of cement every week for subsidised prices which they then sell on for personal gain.

Oh Come on my friend! Don't pretend you didn't want the song to be directly aimed at Baba Ranjit Singh. Stop being all humble and innocent in this, you have been one of the main stirrers in this. You have dug and dug into each lyric and made some link to all the high profile Babay who you hate. If it wasn't the red light, I'm sure you would have still made sure you linked it to Baba Ranjit Singh and kept pointing your fat judgemental onglee at him!

Rupinder Singh,

I guess they are anti Dhadrianwala....and logically that means they are bad people...how disgusting.

Strange how the Dal Khalsa are also now alleging that Dhadrianwala was using a red light but all his chele deny this was ever the case. Please can one of the chele clarify whether he did have a red light. Nothing wrong with a red light as even Jagiro (former SGPC chief) has one even though she was rejected by the voters and has no official government position, it might explain why he was so irked by the song and felt victimised by it.

Who is really "irked" and "victimised"? Baba Ranjit Singh or the Roday Shoday? The anti-Baba Ranjit Singh brigade have dragged the issue out on youtube, producing videos on top of videos, posting comments attacking Baba Ranjit Singh's parents and even disgusting comments in Punjabi about Baba Ranjit Singhs body parts. It shows what kind of "mat" the ones who are attacking him have.

We know that deep down the red light is really not the issue but the fact that Baba Ranjit Singh popularity gets on peoples nerves? Simple as. People have used this to take out their own issues with Baba Ranjit Singh. Yet when Baba Ranjit Singh comes to the UK all these rumour mongerers hide under the duvets and wait for him to leave the country before they come out again.

Who needs forced conversion from 17th century Mughals when 2009 Atheists or Casteists attempt to portray themselves as high profile Sikhs. It might as well be 17th century Mughals that role model to our children that this is what it is to be a Sikh.

If you respect Sikhi, take care in its public portrayal; show deference to the kes of our martyrs ahead of your ego; understand that "Rehat Pyaaree Mujh Ko, Sikh Pyaara Naahe" would also mean that "guruji nu reyat pyaree, punjabi jatt nahee pyara". Then I can respect you as a brother/sister somewhere on the path regardless of where, and I wish to learn from you.

But monkeys like this babbu and major! Shame on you!... go celebrate your monkey-a** lifestyle as a drunken dancing punjabi. Find a religion or no religion or dissolve yourself into the India that has you pegged as a Hindu clown, but please stop disrespecting the blood of our martyrs and leave the gift of Sikhi for innocent children around the world.

I couldn't put it any clearer myself.

Someone is backing the growing PATITism problem, someone is backing the "roday-shoday" and their potrayal of Punjabism-Casteism-Monaism.... And to top it up this whole attack on Baba Ranjit Singh is part of the same agenda, it's just been conveniently dressed as a blanket attack on "Bogus Babay" and the lal bati on an Audi.

The "Roday-Shoday" icons have been put forward to legitisme the the destruction of Kes, Rehat Maryada through their power of popularity and influence. One minute they can sing about their lust for some girl's anatomy and then think they deserve a panthic voice through some other geet.

Babbu Maan and Major Sandhi are just patits who think they deserve to have a panthic voice. Let them have their 5 minute of fame!! Tommorrow they'll be forgotten about. The Babbay will be remembered forever with barsi's going on for centuries, the Babbus will be nobodys when the die.

I didn't realise Babaji is of chinese origin....

Regardless of how Sikhs are treated in Pakistan, we should support the Pakistani Christians or any other group that is persecuted especially within our ancestoral region.

I hope the Sikh Federation and British Sikh Council think about this and provide them with support.

Very emotional to watch. Where has this video been all this time?

Does this look natural to you?

http://media.photobucket.com/image/gelled%20beard/superbleeder12/windmill-beard.jpg

Perhaps you can super-glue your beard down so it looks "neat and tidy"

CAUTION . KIDS DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME. THIS IS ONLY FOR THOSE DESPERATE "NEAT AND TIDY" PARANOID SINGHS

Excuse me Ford Capri, my finding are completely different. Look at my evidence below. You decide who are the real racists.

Pro BNP People

Sikhs are foreigeners who need to XXXX off to where they came from. But at the moment we hate Musims more.

Non Pro BNP People

Sikhs as well as Muslims, Jews, Blacks, Chinese and Martians have the right to live in the UK.

u cant put sant bhindranwale speeches videos/ due to ofcom, they dont allow it...

I don't think many people realise this. How can we get around this, any suggestions?