noorsingh

good idea, i think everybody should make some dolls of this dusht. Bonus on the person who burns the real thing!! (and his chelas). I especially like the christman beard n the gatra. haha!

Nindaks of Dhan Sri Dasam Guru Granth Sahib Ji shall be burnt in hell, like masands were burnt by our dasm Guru.

Akaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllll!!! kacha pila nujhar na aveah!!!!!!!!

burn the damn thing

will do hopefully, would be even better if we had the real thing!!! :D

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgStusJ5CPk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecLnzrHNdgs

I would like to question you, wouldn't the person who has lived with both Bhindranwale and Dhadrianwale (from the very beginning) know more about the jiwanies and their avastha?? Maharaj says' brahamgiani ki ghat brahamgiani janeah'

Not necessarily, those who are absorbed by their own ego's can never change. Look at Guru Nanak Dev Ji's Son's, there are countless examples. Again stop trying to present me as someone who hates "sants" or the word sant - I assure you, I am an amrit dhari gursikh and have no such hatred! You're a cunning person.

You do not agree with me that Sant Dhadrianwale are able to control sangat. You say that Raensabhais show this. I would like to tell you that when we go to reansabhai's MOST of us comes in coaches and therefore leave together when the coach goes back. What I am saying is that Sant Dhadrianwale's have up to 2-3 diwans everyday and the gathering is still the same, at raensabhais, we organise them and arrange for coaches, but we have to organise for that, sangat at diwans comes without any transport preparations. I have used this example to explain to you that Sant Dhadrianwale's satkar is different to that of other parcharaks. At Sant Dhadrianwale's diwans sangat comes hours early so that they can get a desent place to sit, again reflecting the difference between them and others.

Eh? Again most allegations you've fabricated. I never mentioned about "controling" the sangat or anything. What's your point with all these baseless comments? There are large gatherings at pop concerts - they control crowds too. what's your point?

And their giaan comes to them from Akaal Purakh, not research and literature as they have not been taught how to do parchaar.

lol. Call me a lair, call me a fool, call me blind. Bhai Ranjit Singh reads literature, books and articles. I have seen it myself - if you don't believe this then so help you god!

How does the amount of following somebody has, make their words bani?? Bani is what has come from the mouth of Gurus. If a dhadhi was to get "100's of 1000's of followers", this would not change their kavta into 'kachi bani'. And what is wrong with having 100's and 1000's of followers who address them as Sant?? People don't do this WITHOUT reason.

Fair point - I will not refer to dharna's / dhadhi vaaran as kachi bani in the future - Thank you.

Your second point however is utter rubbish. People follow Ram Rahim, Bhainearey waala, Ashutosh - they must also do this for some reason too. More of the same baseless rubbish coming from you.

Do you need Sants to show their avastha by 'scribing' their own bani?? This would be against what sikhi teaches us so please do not make such manmukh comments. I think you might be a follower of people like 'paniara wale' who create their own stuff and call it 'bani'. Sikhi tells us not to create our own granths, we have been told to see Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as our Guru.

Of course not!! I never suggested there should be karaamaat's or iteration of "bani"!! What a preposterous and ridiculous interpretation of my comments! - Did Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Khalsa write his own bani or show karaamaatan to show his awastha!

Do not call me a panearey waala follower. This head bows only to our 11 Guru's and the almighty. If you need to spew hatred against me, odan gaalan kad la - but do not accuse me of following some pakhandi!

You did not answer my question. I asked you where, when, what time/date did you meet Sant Dhadrianwale.

How is the place or time going to change anything? I edited my previous post and answered this there.

would like to ask you where in gurbani does it say that you should not touch the feet of a gursikh?

Where does it say that a mahapurash should show his aura before the sangat can call him 'Sant'?

Where does it say that a gursikh cannot sing the meanings of gurbani (Dharna), so that it is explained to the sangat?

Where did I say one shouldn't singh dharna? Where Did I say show me chamatkaars? where does gurbani says I shouldn't see a sant in a teapot? What's your point?

My argument is backed up by gurbani, therefore reflecting the truth it has in it.

You think my argument/viewpoint/statements are baseless and weak because I refuse to quote Gurbani at every instance to help me to make a stand? You referenced Bhagat Naam Dev Ji in the previous post, I showed you how that shabad can be used in both sides of our debate. -Go read my last post again.

Again, you will not understand in the way I am explaining to you. I cannot explain to the person who does not understand from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj. Bani says, 'moorakhai naal n lujheeai' (Don't argue with fools)

If you have any more questions, read back through my posts as I feel it is wasting time to explain to people who do not understand from Dhan Dhan Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

For starters we're not arguing, I think of this more as a discussion - lets say aimed at helping me see your outlook. You're not wasting your time - if my outlook on a sacha mahapurakh is incorrect, then you are a wadbhaaga gursikh who can help a fool like me.

Look - We're not arguing, you're trying to make defensive statements on things that I DON'T doubt!! I DO believe there are sant's and mahapurakhs! I DON'T want to do anyone's nindeya - and I have tried my best to no do nindeya - you can see through all my posts. I hope it's clear to you that you have your viewpoint and I have mine - this is not a competition to say "I am right and you're not". Stop being cunning and trying to accuse me of being a pakhandi/nindak or whatever comes into your mind. I am an amrit dhari gursikh and proud of it!

A final comment - you clearly don't posses the knowledge to even understand my query let alone provide an adequate answer. I will wait for a gursikh who does. Thanks for the good discussion anyway!

Gurfateh.

All i'm going to say is that it looks like SOME of us are finding it difficult to look at the parchar done by Sant Baba Ranjeet Singh Ji Dahadrianwale. What will happen to our panth! We don't even want our own parcharaks to be in chardikala! Why can't we just stick together and stop putting our MAIN parcharaks down! This ain't gonna get us anywhere!

('singh987' I think your flicking through the posts without reading them properly, 'BSGill' outlined the answers in sooo much detail! we all understand. And besides, you keep twisting everything around.)

You guys have missed out Joga 'Singh' from Edward Street. He's the third person in kulwant Dhesi and Tarsem Deols team. People dont find out about him much becasue he talks about ekta and jathebandis getting together when hes no less than these two. He's the one who made the kalgi picture/video of Sant Baba Ranjit Singh Ji. He has also been involved in taking down pictures of Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Bhindranwale in West Bromwich. These guys used to send people into Sant Dhadrianwale's diwans to spy. However he has recently met Sant Dhadrianwale and has know also made up stories of that too. People dont find out about him unless you live next door to edward street gurdwara as he fakes it outise and does it all behind the sceen so that he can get into other peoples conversations without them knowing hes an anti-sant, anti-dasamgranth anti-taksal/nihang.

And by the way Joga Singh is the one with Kulwant Dhesi who had an interview with Sant ranjit Singh Ji on sikh channel which just shows how these people cover up and try to act inicent when they are the ones causing all this trouble. They are jeluos of the chardi kala of teh panth becasue no one respects them and gives them cars etc. These dushts shall be burnt with darshan ragi in hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!just like Guru Gobind Singh Ji burnt the masands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!akaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!gur bar akalllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!