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This is fictional scenario but possible fact in one of many conversations between Thatcher and Indira or govt advisers over the hotline / correspondence.
Indira: Margaret I need assistance maintaining unity of the Indian union so that we can continue trade relations
Margaret: What assistance do you require?
Indira: I need a plan to sort the Sikhs of Punjab out, they are demanding equal human rights, greater freedom and autonomy as promised by my father nehru to them prior 1947. They are carrying out huge peaceful agitations that are crippling us and succeeding
Margaret: Why not provoke them into doing something violent then? Why not kill a few of their peaceful protesters by police and army firing like we done in Northern Ireland with the Irish republicans
Indira: Why would I do that?
Margaret: It would then give you an excuse to crack down on them with the use of deadly force once they take up arms
Indira: Ah I see! Good idea lets do that!
The whole consipracy goes back to 1978, when Mrs. Gandhi created fake Nirankaris - Gurbachan Singh mocking and insulting Sikh Gurus and Sikh religion in the heart of Punjab - City of Amritsar - followed by peaceful protests by AKJ, and Sant Bhindranwale - followed by police firing on peaceful AKJ protestors leading to death of 18 AKJ members, case shifted to Karnal from the jurisdiction of Punjab. NO ACTION TILL DATE.
Although, Mrs. Thatcher became PM in May, 1979, the seeds for future conflict were already sown.
Can anybody comment on the personal wealth of Mrs. Thatcher, and does it reflect her earnings as a PM of UK?
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BLUE STAR - STAR OF DAVID - Symbol of Jews.
Jews suffered numerous Genocide(s), latest - genocide at the hands of HITLER.
Does this Blue Star of Jews point to a SIKH GENOCIDE similar to Jews Genocide?
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NDTV starts a blog, I have posted 10 comments since morning, none of my comments are posted, they have started posting comments themselves disguised the name of some Singh ...
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Attack on Sri Darbar Sahib, forced by congress, was not an act as a 'last resort' but preplanned in 1982 according to General V.K. Sinha. BJP and Akalis supported 'the' action.
International support include Soviet Union and UK in return of hefty defence contracts and 'special' relation with the dictator of India.
The burden of blame for this shameful act should be shared by all the parties who were involved in the attack on God's place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Blue_Star
"Last resort[edit]
S. K. Sinha, the then GOC of the Indian Army who was sacked at the last moment, had advised the government against the operation.[64] He later criticized the Government's claim that the attack represented a "last resort".[65] He also stated that the operation would have been conducted in an entirely different manner if he had planned it.[66]
He also pointed out that a few days before the Operation, the Home Minister had announced that the troops would not be sent to Harmandir Sahib.[66] But, the Operation seems to have been in plans much earlier: the General has alleged that the army had been rehearsing the operation in a replica of Harmandir Sahib at a secret location near Chakrata Cantonment in the Doon Valley.[67][68]"
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Its clear now that that Bluestar was a planned massacre , organised months or maybe years in advance. This makes Brar a war criminal , this information was not available to the Jury. Retrials happen when new evidence emerges. Maybe our many lawyers out there can assist.
True, and as a way of gesture OR whatever one might say, such as trying to heal some open wounds - Britain along with UN should declare Mr. Brar as a war criminal to be tried in World Court of Justice.
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I am not flooding this forum with some additional documents already posted on Tom Watson website regarding Westland Helicopter deal, so please visit the below web site for reading these additional documents.
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In any organisation - we have C-Level Execs followed by Head of Business Units, followed by Directors, followed by specific Programme/Delivery Managers, followed by a Project Managers, followed by individual Project Leads, followed by individual developers/testers.
Now, where does Mr. Brar stand in the above hierarchy - I don't think he stands anywhere above a Project Lead or possibly at the most a Project Manager, but I won't classify him even as a Programme Manager.
C-Level Execs (in this case, Mrs.Gandhi/Mrs. Thatcher)
do a complete market survey and ask their
Head of Business Units (in this case : SAS, cowboy's RAW)
- to produce a detailed business plan from a point of view of existing competitors,
- feasibility of the business plan (how feasible is the attack on SIKH community),
- approach of introducing a new business product (in this case, how to attack the heart, culture of SIKH community),
- advantages of the business plan (in this case, Mrs. Gandhi changes her image from a dictator to a patriot crushing seperatists, and has a long-term political advantage, Mrs. Thatcher gains defence deals, and GOD knows how much of personal commission?),
- when should the new products be launched i.e. what is the right time to introduce new products , tourist season etc. (in this case, which date/duration when the attack is to be launched, when lots of innocent SIKHS are collected in a single common place, in the name of flushing out terrorists OR seperatists).
This sort of C-Level planning happens months and even years before the business projects are kicked-off, and the Project Leads / Project Managers are made aware of the very basic business requirements (such as flushing out 100-200 seperatists), but don't have a view of the overall business-plan/blueprints drafted by the C-Level Execs.
A lot of times, the Project-Leads/Project-Managers are given an impression, that they are the most indispensable and valuable people of the organisation, and that they know the most of the project, which is probably to keep them at the top of their duty, so they perform well, control their team well, and crush their vendors well (even if their friends). This is known as Management.
This is the current situation with Mr. Brar. He has been given an impression that he has been the most important person of the whole project, and he is the CEO, and that's what his naive statements put up - "All operation was done by Indian Army without any assistance from British intelligence". One should ask this fool - Who will ask British intelligence/army on the day of operation, will British/American army come to India to carry out these operations?
Another problem with Mr. Brar is - Since he is probably the only person living till date, who took part in this operation from Indian Govt. team, and Indian Govt. provides him Z-level security, he considers it as a duty to salute/"JEE-HAZOORI" on each and every such matter, even if he has or not any knowledge about the relevant subject matter. This also gives Mr. Brar an added importance which he thinks is making him a hero, and he has done the most heroic action of his life, by publicily appearing on media for comments on any such subject matter and issuing any statement without even understanding the subject matter, An .example is his current statements and the fact that the subject being discussed is about some letters published in the month of Feb, 84; whereas he came to the picture only in Jun'84.
Indian media - They know the above mentioned weakness of Mr. Brar, and the fact that he likes to come on media/screen, trying to show to the people - I am not the Project-Leader, I am the REAL CEO, KEEP ME GIVING ME Z-SECURITY, I AM THE CEO
, This also satisfies his false self-proclaimed ego.My personal opinion - Mr. Brar is not a very influential person in this whole operation, we give him some extra unwanted importance
, our anger is understood, but there are far more influential people ... Probably, we might be shocked when more names come into the public domain, if a transparent enquiry report is ever published (I don't think it will ever be published), we can see more prominent names from different parts of the world followed by Mrs. Thatcher ...4 -
Breaking News - Prime Minister David Cameron's message to the Sikh community.
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It is important to see letters since 1980.
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NDTV starts a blog, on which it will post itself from its internal people anti-SIKH comments, leading and creating a wave for next SIKH Genocide.
Blog: Margaret Thatcher's interest in aiding Operation Bluestar
Tom Watson is a Labour MP from West Bromwich East and has asked UK government to explain declassified documents that suggest Margaret Thatcher's administration offered Indira Gandhi help in planning military raid at Golden Temple in 1984.
AFP
More than 1,000 people were killed in Operation Bluestar, the raid on the Golden Temple
The revelation that Mrs Thatcher secretly authorised the SAS to provide planning advice to the government of Indira Gandhi, in relation to the military action at Amritsar, has shocked many British citizens of Indian origin.
We do not know the extent of the support nor the logic behind it but a wider reading of the files, recently released by the British government, shines some light on the nature of top level discussions at the time.
It appears to me that the Thatcher government wanted to sell military equipment to the Gandhi administration.
The authorisation for SAS support was made in February 1984. Two months before this, a file note from 10 Downing Street to the Ministry of Defence reports on a top level discussion about the provision of military equipment to India. Mr Venkataraman, the then Indian Defence Minister held a "friendly and relaxed" meeting with Mrs Thatcher in Downing Street. Mrs Thatcher was to meet Indira Gandhi later that month in Delhi at the Commonwealth Heads of State meeting.
Could it be that Mrs Thatcher's eagerness to seal a defence equipment deal led to the decision to authorise SAS planning support for the military action in Amritsar?
One thing is certain: the truth needs to come out. It is beholden on another Conservative Prime Minister, David Cameron, to give a full explanation to Sikhs around the world, just exactly what Mrs Thatcher's government helped secretly plan and support.
The file note from 10 Downing Street:
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed within this blog are the personal opinions of the author. NDTV is not responsible for the accuracy, completeness, suitability, or validity of any information on this article. All information is provided on an as-is basis. The information, facts or opinions appearing in the article do not reflect the views of NDTV and NDTV does not assume any responsibility or liability for the same.0 -
Tom Watson (MP UK) has started a Official Petition to unearthing the truth of the amount of support SAS & UK provided to the Indian Government when they attacked Sri Harmandir Sahib in 1984
Please sign and share!
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/59219
I thought he would like to know the 'truth' by the investigation or probe he ordered. He surely admired the statement of Gen Brar that UK is 'clean'.
DONE.
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Done, didn't took me more than 5 minutes ...
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-25740355
Danish woman gang-raped in Indian capital Delhi.jpg)
Paharganj is a busy backpacker districtPolice in the Indian capital Delhi are investigating the alleged gang rape of a Danish woman who lost her way near her city centre hotel.
The 51-year-old tourist was attacked by a group of men in the Paharganj area on Tuesday evening. Police say she was robbed and raped at knife point.
The woman flew out of India on Wednesday morning, police say.
Scrutiny of sexual violence in India has grown since the 2012 gang rape and murder of a student on a Delhi bus.
Continue reading the main storyIt's hard to imagine a worse headline for India's image abroad, after the battering it has taken over the issue of rape.
After the fatal assault on a Delhi student just over a year ago, the city has earned the unwelcome title "India's rape capital". The picture is not as bad as the media paints, Indian officials say. Other countries also have a rape problem, they protest.
But ever since the Delhi gang-rape case, the safety of women and the discrimination they suffer in Indian society has been in the spotlight. The Indian media just as much as the foreign media are giving the issue much more space.
And while the case involving the Danish woman is getting priority attention from the Delhi police, many say what's still needed is the justice system and Indian society in general to take the issue more seriously.
The government tightened laws on sexual violence last year after widespread protests following the attack.
But violence and discrimination against women remain deeply entrenched in India's staunchly patriarchal society.
The Danish woman told police that she approached the group of men after losing her way back to her hotel near New Delhi Railway Station.
The men robbed her of her belongings and raped her, police spokesman Rajan Bhagat told the BBC.
"She reached her hotel and reported the incident to the manager who called in the police and the investigation is now under way," Mr Bhagat said.
No arrests have been made yet, but police are questioning a number of men in connection with the attack.
"There was definitely involvement of more than one person in this episode. However, we shall disclose as to how many people we are looking for, at a later stage," Mr Bhagat said.
"The woman left India in the morning, on a flight she had booked earlier."
The Danish woman is believed to have been travelling alone and had been in Delhi since Monday after visiting the Taj Mahal, the BBC's Andrew North in Delhi reports.
Police say she gave a detailed statement in the presence of the Danish ambassador before leaving the country, AFP news agency reports. There was no immediate comment from the Danish embassy in Delhi.
Paharganj, a busy backpacker district frequented by foreign tourists, is located in the heart of the Indian capital, not far from Connaught Place.
Last March a Swiss tourist was gang raped and her partner attacked by a group of men in Madhya Pradesh state. Six men were jailed for life for the attack in July.
Since the December 2012 Delhi gang rape, the nation has been shocked by a string of brutal rapes of Indian women.
They include a photojournalist raped in broad daylight in central Mumbai, a 21-year-old woman raped by two apparently unrelated groups of men on Christmas Eve in Pondicherry and a 16-year-old girl who died after being gang-raped twice and then set on fire in the eastern city of Calcutta.
Although cases involving foreigners continue to get far more attention in the media and from the police, Indian women who are raped are still far less likely to receive justice, our correspondent says.
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Can we anticipate even USA and other western nation's involvement?
I have heard in the past that CIA was aware of 1984 November Sikh Genocide, and it was planned to happen irrespective of Mrs. Gandhi's assasination? Does Mrs. Sonia Gandhi knew much about it?
Is the information leakage happening for a specific purpose now? It is quite obvious that such information will not come in the public domain without any vested interests? What can these vested interests be, and whom/how they can serve? How is mighty of the mightiest?
It is very unfortunate to hear from Mr. Cameroon that he takes a comment from Mr. Brar as an acceptable comment, (which all of us know is nothing more than pure lie) rather than making a comment - let's wait for the full investigation report. This shows serious doubts over the intent of this investigation and a pre-mature investigation results which is being prepared.
It is also interesting to see NDTV posting the article (with Mr. Brar comments) with Mr. Brar picture still in stitches, 1 year after attack? I remember his stitches were removed as soon as he reached India, and there were no wounds or even signs of any wounds
. What can Sikh's or Sikh organisations do, react emotionally, and make statements - "My VOTE is not for Tories"?
OR "Let's wait for the facts to be established".
Various Options -
(a). FACTS Established say Britain gave design & planning assistance to India probably including the timing of this operation, "What can SIKHS DO". Do we have an answer to this question today?
(b). FACTS Established say Britain & Other Western Nations gave design & planning assistance to India probably including the timing of this operation, "What can SIKHS DO". Do we have an answer to this question today?
©. FACTS Established say Britain was not involved, Mrs. Thatcher was involved at a personal level and engaged SAS at a personal level. "What can SIKHS DO". Do we have an answer to this question today?
(d). An investigation report is prepared saying "Neither Britain NOR Mr. Thatcher personally was involved, these documents are not authentic". How many of us are going to believe this report? And what can be a subsequent action?
Any more options which anybody can think of? I know it is too early to anticipate the future developments, but I can blindly say whatever Mr. Brar says - just assume things happened 180degrees reverse of it ...
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Please Note - This can be a long boring post, but has all the answers and exposes the Terrorist Hindutva mindset.
Let's analyse the crap list produced by Hindu Terrorist for Khalistani Kharkus, despite the fact that it's authencity is yet to be proved. :
Before 1984 : Number of incidents : 3-4, Number of casualities : Approx. 10-20
AFTER 1984 : Number of incidents : Approx. 50. Number of casualities - Approx. 500-1000.
Now, let us list activities of HINDU TERRORISM and how it led to any events POST-1984.
JUNE 1984 - Indian Govt. attacks 47 Gurudwaras in Punjab, attacking the largest Gurudwara (Sri Darbaar Sahib), on the day of Gurupurab to flush out so called 100-200 Kharkus (on the day of Gurupurab), when the Gurudwara is full, murdering approx. 25,000 innocent pilgrimages (this include Sehajdhari Sikhs as well).
As listed above, Number of Events by any Kharkus before 1984 : 3-4, What was the reason to attack Harminder Sahib : Indira Gandhi wanted to demolish Darbaar Sahib and Akal Takht Sahib, and Hindus wanted it (as I list below, why all Hindus wanted to demolish Babri Masjid - REVENGE).
November 1984 - Indian Govt. under the leadership of Congress(I) carries out genocide of Sikhs throughout India, burning alive Sikhs, burning and destryoing Gurudwaras throughout India, killing approx. 30,000 Sikhs throughout India. 3,800 is the officially counted figure in Delhi itself by BJP members, unofficial numbers in Delhi go upto 10,000. New findings such as Hondh-Chiller, Patuadi village to add to that.
From 1978 - 1995 - As per the reports from S. Jaswant Singh Khalra, more than 25,000+ Innocent Sikh youth found missing from their homes, never to come back, Thanks to the Indian Govt. and their agents S. Beant Singh, S. K.P.S Gill.
Let us leave these above figures and analysis for a moment, and analyse one important statement from Mr. Hindusthani -
Why you ask the Babri Masjid was destroyed: Multiple reasons.
1) Ayodhya is the birth place of Lord Ram and the Babri Masjit was built on top of the existing temple as described in the Babur Nama
2) Mr. Mulayam Singh Yadav opened fire on the karsevaks who up until that point were protesting peacefully
3) The destruction of the Babri Masjid was revenge for the mass killings of Kashmiri Pandits 1 year earlier
4) The final reason is because that is what happened to kashi vishvanath, Somnath and hundreds of other temples in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.
In order to take revenge for mass killings of Kashmiri Pandits an year earlier (first of all, this information needs to be authenticated anyway), but let's move on - HINDU's take a revenge as they form a majority in India by ATTACKING a muslim place of worpship, followed by genocide of hunderds of thousands of muslims in Gujarat and Maharashtra - so, Hindus defend their TERRIROST actions and classify it as an act of bravery, by defining their TERRORIST activities as an act of REVENGE
.Now going back to the post above, Indian Hindutva Govt. AND Hindus murder approx. 2 million Sikhs throughout India, wipe off 1 complete generation from Punjab from 1978 - 1995, and then produce a crap list - you killed 5 in Gurdaspur, 20 in Hoshiarpur, 3 in Moga etc. etc.
CONCLUSION
The ones's which were targetted in Gurdaspur, Hoshairpur, Moga etc. etc. as listed by PROACTIVE and accepted by Hindustani were Terrorist Cops/RSS Terrorists/Terrorist Politicians/Bereucrats responsible for killing innocent Sikhs from 1978-1995, and not alike innocent Sikhs murdered by Indian Hindu Govt. in 1984.
Compare to it on the streets of Delhi in November 1984 - 1000 Sikhs on a train on Delhi train station burnt alive by HINDU mobs
.THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE, between revolutionists and TERRORISTS, Revolutionalists target specific person, TERRORISTS target all from that community.
There is not even a single Sikh user on this forum who will accept/endorse targetting any shrine from any religion OR killing any innocent from any other religion as a means of REVENGE (despite the fact that 1 complete Sikh generation was wiped off by the HINDU's).
However, we can see, how shameful are Hindu Terrorists, they carry out REVENGE and glorify it (statement provided above as PROOF) (demolishing Babri Masjid, demolishing and burning Christian Churches, demolishing Sikh Gurudwaras throughout India), REVENGE carried out by burning alive hundreds of thousands of Sikhs/Muslims/Christians/Dalits throughout India.
When posting crap Video showing a Christian saying "When the time will come, we will take revenge". Before that, HINDUS burn that Christian alive, and burn his Church as well, so the TIME never comes
.Does Burning human beings alive is Hindutva passion?
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If this lady Khobragade is so against the US, then why don't she take her family back to the third world country. She wants to live in the US, but wants to have slaves like she is in India. That is the mentality of powerful in India, and it is a shame that Indians are supporting her and not Ms. Richard .
Common Man of India is not supporting her, I posted a link above, read aam-aadmi comments
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Please read the comments section of this article - Even the Indians want her charged for Visa fraud and corruption in India ...
Devyani Khobragade fallout: Indian diplomats fear more US action, want change in visa status of domestic helps, say sources.All India | Reported by Nidhi Razdan, Edited by Nadim Asrar | Updated: January 12, 2014 16:10 IST
Devyani Khobragade at Foreign Ministry office on Saturday.
New Delhi: Stung by the India-US row over diplomat Devyani Khobragade and her help Sangeeta Richard, sources say the Foreign Ministry is now pushing the Finance Ministry to change the status of domestic workers who go to the US with Indian envoys.
Foreign Secretary Sujata Singh has met senior Finance Ministry officials in this regard, sources said.
Several Indian diplomats in the US are worried that the Americans will now act against them since their domestic helps also come on A3 visa like Ms Richards. The visa subjects them to US laws.
There are, according to sources, around 14 such 'ticking time bombs' in the US right now.
If the Foreign Ministry changes their status to Indian staffers, they will come under Indian law. The proposal requires clearance by the Finance Ministry.
Sources say some Indian diplomats may send back their domestic helps if the proposal is not cleared in the next few days.
Meanwhile, Ms Khobragade has moved a federal court in New York to dismiss the visa fraud case against her, saying there is lack of personal jurisdiction since she had been accorded full diplomatic immunity by the US Department of State. (Read)
Arrested on December 12, the 39-year-old diplomat was allegedly strip-searched and held with criminals, triggering a row between the two countries with India retaliating by downgrading privileges of certain category of US diplomats among other steps.1 -
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Oh I get it!!! Hindus have to be proven guilty in the court, but Sikhs could be killed in some fake encounter without even being ever charged. In fact, in most cases their fathers, mothers, children, and wives will be killed too. They killed whole family of Baba Monochal, father of Prof Bhullar. I can keep on going, but what is the purpose, Hindustani mentality will not change.
The Hindutsan Times Article on her flat allocation in the Adarsh Housing Society, BEST buses, her IFS recruitment. These article are by HINDU media ...
Raymond Allen Davis incident - Anybody who knows how to search google can find this incident and history on WikiPedia, and can easily analyse they were released after payment of Sharia's Blood money, however they were still charged, arrested by Pakistani authorities. It is to be also noted that USA didn't carried out cheap activities such as removing security outside Pakistani Embassy etc. etc. Pakistan is a Muslim country and they follow Sharia Law, blood money as a means of compensation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Allen_Davis_incident
Davis was jailed and criminally charged by Pakistani authorities with double murder and the illegal possession of a firearm.[4][5][6]A car coming to aid Davis killed a third Pakistani man in a "hit and run" while speeding on the wrong side of the road.[7]On March 16, 2011, Davis was released after the families of the two killed men were paid $2.4 million in diyya (a form of monetary compensation or blood money). Judges then acquitted him on all charges and Davis immediately departed Pakistan.[8][9][10][11]
There is a law in Sharia, "Blood money" via which these people were released, but they were charged and jailed by Pakistani authorities. Although US authorities contended for these people to be provided diplomatic immunity, they were however charged on murder charges and the trial happened, they were released under the Sharia "Blood money" clause.
Very similar to how 17-18 Indian Nationals from Punjab, Haryana were let go in Saudia Arabia, when the blood money for killing of 1 Pakistani person was paid.
By this virtue, Devyani Khobragade trial should continue in the US, US should soon release her arrest warrant, which I am sure is going to happen shortly. I don't know why India is saving a corrupt officer.
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Why hasn't this hindustani clown been banned yet? Its obvious he is anti Sikh and he has been exposed in numerous threads.
This also proves how secular and democratic a Sikh Forum is, (it allows posting of even Hindu terrorist views - read the justification why Babri Masjid was demolished
), this can even be seen historically, how democratic and secular KHALSA SARKAAR RAAJ was, run by Maharaj Ranjit Singh Jee!, and how democratic and secular the future Khalsa Raaj would be, unlike the Hindu media, and hindu comments section on their web sites, which don't post other side of the coin, and the Hindu Nation justification of Babri Masjid, burning of Churches, burning of Christians alive, raping nuns etc.2 -
Bhai Iqbal Singh Bhatti on Hunger Strike at Jantar Mantar, Delhi for 38 Days now. His demands are
1)Release of Prof. Devinderpal Singh Bhullar
2)Punish those responsible for 1984 Sikh Genocide
3) Open a fast track court for achieving justice for 1984 Victims
Show Your Support
We support Bhai Gurbaksh Singh Khalsa
Has any Sikh organisation such as DSGMC spoke on this issue?
Has any Sikh organisation approached AAP?
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Hindustani - None of your questions hold any ground, all your questions are baseless, and replying to any of your questions or even discussing any serious subject matter with you is a waste of time, this is my final post of any such reply to you. You lost your credibility when you stated that 76 HINDUS WERE GUNNED DOWN By supporters or by Mr. Bhindranwale WHEN WATCHING RAMAYANA TELECASTED IN 1981? This implies what your intent in India is - provoke ignorant masses to carry out genocide of innocent minorities based on false and imaginative data.
Watching Ramayana and watching Raam-Leela are 2 different things.
WHY HINDUS DEMOLISHED BABRI MASJID?
WHY HINDUS BURNING CHRISTIAN PEOPLE AND CHURCHES IN ORRISA?
TIME TO FIX HINDU TERRORISM.
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'go On, You Muslim, Die': Shocking Moment Smirking Female Shop Assistant In Lidl Racially Abuses A Muslim Customer
in POLITICS | LIFESTYLE
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2541183/Shocking-moment-smirking-female-shop-assistant-Lidl-racially-abuses-Muslim-customer.html
Please see the Video in the link ...