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Good, Happy for him, and wish him best of luck ...
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This thread seems to be loosing steam.
Waljinder Singh, Johnny, N30Singh, Mehtab Singh, GPS, Proactive AND Everybody else with Panthic Dard --- WHAT Should Sikh organsations do to get Justice !!!
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Outrageous behaviour by a TINY MINORITY. I feel People in India are right to feel distressed about that - "AND HENCE I JUSTIFY GENOCIDE OF SIKHS IN INDIA".
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I am a British Citizen and pay tax to the British Govt. on my earnings. Mine and other tax-payer's money is used by the British Govt. to fund their Intelligence, military, NHS and other govt. work. My tax-payer money is not meant to be used to provide secret intelligence by one individual running UK govt. to another individual running a foreign govt, to suppress foreign govt's rebels.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SIKHS, THIS CAN HAPPEN TO ANYBODY?
Is there any intelligence sent to Sri Lanka?
Is there any intelligence sent to Kashmir?
It is too naive for any Sikh reprsentatives to make statements on Sikh media - we are happy with this report.
THE INVESTIGATION IS NOT COMPLETE, THE INVESTIGATION SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS JUST STARTED,
THERE IS LOT TO COME,
IF IT IS ADMITTED IN THE VERY FIRST ENQUIRY-REPORT THAT THERE WAS SOME CONSULTANCY PROVIDED, BUT HAD MINIMAL EFFECT, JUST IMAGINE HOW DEEP THE CONSIPARCY IS, JUST IMAGINE WHAT MORE IS WAITING TO BE REVEALED FROM FURTHER INVESTIGATIONS ...
- WHY UK PROVIDED THIS CONSULTANCY, EVEN THOUGH IT HAD MINIMAL OR NO IMPACT???
- WHAT SORT OF OBLIGATION WAS UK SERVING TO PROVIDE THIS CONSULTANCY TO INDIAN GOVT.?
- WHY THE UK GOVT. DIDN'T REFUSED ANY SUCH CONSULTANCY?
- WHY???
AN INDEPENDENT JUDICIAL ENQUIRY SHOULD BE ASKED FOR, CRIMINAL CASES SHOULD BE FILED IN INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE ...
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Plan to Kidnap Sant Bhindranwale
http://dailysikhupdates.com/2014/02/02/plan-to-kidnap-sant-bhindranwale/
Why was there a plan to Kidnap Sant Bhindranwale?
Why Indira wanted Sant Bhindranwale to be dead at any cost? Did Sant Bhindranwale knew something which could had exposed Indira Gandhi, something out of context from Sikh rights/AnandPur Sahib resolution?
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True, they had fired gas canisters at the Singhs, but ironically the direction of the wind was blowing against the Indian soldiers as a result some Indian soldiers fell unconscious when they were exposed to their own gas.
Hahahaha, This sounds so funny
, intelligence of so called mightest army of the world, didn't realised the direction of the wind flowing against ... This is what you call "Lakeer De Fakeer" ...2 -
Sant Bhindranwale moved into Sri Harminder Sahib to protect it from the pre-planned attack of Indian Govt.
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Mehtab Singh Jee, are they also related to Chandu Brahmin? I have heard some theories that Indira Gandhi was a re-incarnation of Chandu's daughter who's marriage was refused by Guru Arjan Dev Jee on the orders of Sadh-Sangat (when Chandu Brahmin insulted Guru-ghar by making a derogatory comment at GuruGhar), and she vowed revenge for it, by demolishing Akal Takht Sahib, hence took re-birth ... I don't know how far this crap is truth!
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Of course when you know that the two bitches were having a 'special ' relationship.
What do you mean by 'special' :glomp: ?
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Asked if he would apologize for the 1984 riots, Gandhi said, "First of all, I wasn't involved in the riots at all. It wasn't that I was a part of it." At the same time, he admitted that "some Congress men were probably involved.”
http://www.indiawest.com/news/16505-rahul-gandhi-declines-to-apologize-for-1984-anti-sikh-riots.html
His PapaJee was the designer and architect of 1984 SIKH Genocide.
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Start a separate thread for that.No one is defending Badal and company here.
Akalis were after chairs as they have proved now.
It was congress of Indira Gandhi who gave sikhs a bloody nose to garner Hindu votes.
She did not care for anyone.
Please throw some light / your opinion on Yogi Bhajan involvement, it is quite heard he was an Indian Govt. agent sent overseas to create misconceptions about the Khalsa Panth, and till date whosoever have started following him have been in a confused state.
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There should be one more category -
DAADI-KATTA
YES NO DON't MIND
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Arvind Kejriwal interview with Rajdeep Sardesai - IBN-CNN.
AK has the right agenda at the grass root level, I don't such wave with NaMo.
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Baba Banda Singh ji Bahadur did not endure the struggle against the Mughals when Guru Gobind Singh ji came to Nanded but still felt the pain and was determined to fight when told about the atrocities by the Mughals and how the Chote Shahibzadey were made shaheed . Why??
Because he was Banda Bairagi, and met Shahe-Shehan Shah Guru Gobind Singh Jee
. may be we both might be correct, what i am trying to say is everybody is not the same. We had 40 Mukte as well, who gave Bedawa to Guru Jee and left ...1 -
He told that he agrees with the Punjabis to join the movement but was not convinced himself as he was treated very 'special' by the Delhi and Punjab officials - which shows how self-centred the American was.
Difficult to judge that way, as until the time somebody has been the system for long and suffered the same way, including suffering of previous generations, one does not join the party ...
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Thanks, Good Post.
I read story of Ajaamal for the first time,really heart-touching.
By virtue of that, how advisable is keeping one's chiildren name's as something close to some Guru's/some referred name of GOD, such as GOBIND etc.
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I already know Chaupai Sahib bro and it says mahadev is called sadashiv and thats why i refer to god as Sadashiv/Bhagauti.
Mahadev is called shiv by accident*
Do you read the complete Tuk -
Mahadev ko kehat Sadashiv,
Nirankar Ka chinat nein bhiv.
Nirankar da chin matar (means "rati bhar"), means does not has even 0.00001% knowledge of Akal Purakh Nirankaar
, himself searching to get Naam Daan from some Pooran GurSikh.Swavye Sahib
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Brahma Mahesar Bisan Sachipat, Ant phase jam phas parenge,
Je Nar Sri Pat Ke pras hain, pag te nar pher naan deh dharange.
"The above Baani says Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh will end up in the cycle of death/birth, whereas a true GurSikh attached to 1 Nirankar will leave the cycle of birth.death!.
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RanaJodh Singh Jee,
The way you are saying, there is another Shabad -
"Panchali ko Raaj sabha mein, Raam Naam Sudh aayi". But Panchli ko raam naam sudh taan nahin aayi, Mahabharata serial (made by B.R. Chopra) shows she chanted name of Krishna!. So, we have a contradiction here - SGGS Jee says, she chanted/remebered Raam-Naam, but Mahabharata serial says, she remembered Krishna.
I would definately go with my GURU as this is Dhur Ki Baani - Guru Nanak Ki Baani - which means, this Raam-Naam is different - neither it is Sri Raam Chandra Jee nor it is Sri Krishna Jee.
As per your write-ups, wherever it comes Narayana/Gobind/Raam in SGGS Jee - either it is Sri Krishna or Sri Raam Chandra Jee.
Well, let's look at some baani of Bhagat's born before Sri Raam Chandra Jee -
Bhagat Prahlad Jee
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ਹਰਿ ਜਗ ਜਗ ਭਗਤ ਉਪਾਇਆ ਪੈਜ ਰਖਦਾ ਆਇਆ ਰਾਮ ਰਾਜੇ ॥
In each and every age, He creates His devotees and preserves their honor, Lord King.ਹਰਣਾਖਸ ਦਸਟ ਹਰਿ ਮਾਰਿਆ ਪਰਹਲਾਦ ਤਰਾਇਆ ॥
The Lord killed the wicked Harnaakhash, and saved Prahlaad."The above Baani from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee says, In every Yuga, he creates his bhagats, "Paij rakhda aaya Raam Raaje", does this "Raam Raaje mean Raja Raam Chandra Jee"? How can Raja raam Chandra Jee take care of Prahalada, when Prahlada was born thousands of years before Sri Raam Chandra Jee?
One more important thing, If Akal Purakh sent Sri Raam Chandra Jee as 14-Kalan Avataar, Sri Krishna Jee as 16-Kalaan Avatar, they are not specific to HINDU'S, as they never created any thing such as HINDUISM. They are earlier Akal Puraak Avataars, with specific and limited capabilities, and not Sarab-Kala-Samrath.
As to the Dasam Granth and your quotes where you say it praises Devte, here you go. -
Patshahi Dasvin Chaupayi
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Mahadev Ko Kehat Sada Siv, Nirankar Ka Chinat Neh Bhiv
"People say Shiva as the Maha-Dev, but don't know the secret of the formless god."
This particular Line(s) and meaning at 02:29, but start listening from start.
Patshahi Dasvin Swavye
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Soor Soorardan Sudh Sudhayek, Sant Smooh anek mati ke -
Bed Puran, Kateb Kuran, Jamin Jaman sabaan ke pekhe.
Brahma Mahesar Bisan Sachipat, Ant phase jam phas parenge,
Je Nar Sri Pat Ke pras hain, pag te nar pher naan deh dharange.
"The above Baani says Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh will end up in the cycle of death/birth, whereas a true GurSikh attached to 1 Nirankar will leave the cycle of birth.death!.
Kahun le pahan pooj dhareo, sir kahun le ling gare latkayo,
kahun likhiyo har awachi disa mein, kahun pacha ko sees nivayo.
kou butaan ko poojat hai, pasu kou mritan ko poojan dhaayo,
koor kireya urjheyo sab hi jag, sri bhagwaan ko bhed naan paayo.
See Video below for all meanings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWUrwFPiQDi
Dasam Granth baani prakash, please do it, but it does not praises DEVTE
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AISSF and SFJ handover memorandum to British High Commission, New Delhi.
The copy of mamorandum given to British high commission, New Delhi from Sikhs for Justice.
January 17, 2014
British High Commissioner to India
Shantipath, Chanakyapuri
New Delhi – 110021 IndiaEmail: web.newdelhi@fco.gov.uk
Phone +91 (11) 2419 2100 Fax +91 (11) 2419 2464
Re: Massacre of Sikhs during June 1984 attack on GoldenTemple – Disclosure by Tom Watson, MP for West Bromwich East, that he had seen “top secret papers from Mrs. Thatcher authorizing Special Air Services (SAS) to work with the Indian government”Sub: PASS a resolution that planning by British forces SAS with Indian army to invade GoldenTemple in June 1984 that resulted in the death of more than 10,000 Sikhs was grave blunder.
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All India Sikh Students Federation (AISSF) is a registered organization committed to work for the betterment of Sikh community, promoting the values of Sikhism and to raise voice on the issues concerning the Sikh community.
Sikhs for Justice (SFJ) is an international human rights organization which believes and adheres to Universal Declaration of Human Rights and endeavors to create an environment in which minorities – regardless of race, religion, language, gender, or ethnicity – can freely exercise their right to “self determination” as enshrined in the United Nations Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.
Recently Tom Watson has cited two letters which have only just been released under the 30-year rule
One, dated 6 February 1984 from the prime minister’s office, talks about the “Indian request for advice on plans for the removal of dissident Sikhs from the GoldenTemple”. It states that the prime minister is “content that the foreign secretary should proceed as he proposes”. The other letter, dated 23 February 1984, said “the foreign secretary decided to respond favorably to the Indian request and, with the prime minister’s agreement, an SAS officer has visited India and drawn up a plan which has been approved by Mrs. Gandhi. The foreign secretary believes that the Indian government may put the plan into operation shortly”.
That Army invasion of Golden Temple in June 1984 with the support of British intelligence agency’s on a day when Golden Temple is most visited, most crowded and most occupied by innocent Sikh pilgrims who gather to commemorate martyrdom of 5th Guru Arjun Dev Ji resulted in destruction of Akal Takhat Sahib and the loss of thousands of innocent Sikh lives. The eye-witnesses claim that more than ten (10) thousand Sikhs were massacred.
The planning by British government with the Indian government that started with June 1984 genocidal attacks on the Sikhs doesn’t end with the death of over 10,000 innocent Sikh men, women, children, and the greatest Sikh leader in modern history (Shaheed Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale). The British government is also guilty of all the innocent blood that spilt since June 1984. This includes more than 30,000 Sikhs systematically killed during November Sikh Genocide and the 1984 to 1996 Punjab Liberation Struggle which resulted in the Indian police killing over 100,000 Sikhs across India.
Winston Churchill once said the “British people are highly indebted and obliged to Sikhs… As a result of their timely help, we are today able to live with honor, dignity and independence”, but because of the United Kingdom, we are today NOT able to live with honor, dignity and independence.
We urge you to:
- PASS a resolution that planning by British forces SAS with Indian army to invade GoldenTemple in June 1984 that resulted in the death of more than 10,000 Sikhs was grave blunder.
- DECLARE that British government is remorseful for the massacre of innocent Sikhs during the attack on GoldenTemple and the loss of more than 100,000 Sikh lives from 1984 to 1996.
- CONDEMN that action of PM Thatcher of colluding with Indira Gandhi to attack GoldenTemple in June 1984 was wrong.
The British people, their monarchy and their government owe a debt to the Sikh Nation. This debt to the Sikh Nation will only be repaid by the full and unconditional support of the British government in assisting the Sikhs to reclaim their legal land of Punjab back from India.
Submitted By:
Karnail Singh Peermohammad Gurpatwant Singh Pannun
President Legal Advisor
All India Sikh Students Federation (AISSF) Sikhs For Justice (SFJ)
Phone: +91 98144-99503 Phone: +1 718-938-7801
+91 88721-11984 +1 647-969-2025
Email: aissf_news@yahoo.com Email: gurpatwant.pannun@sikhsforjustice.org
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170114 The Breakfast Show: MP Pat McFadden discussing the recent disclosure of letters relating to the potential UK involvement in events of 1984.
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Just the other day I saw two videos of sikhs - one was saying that we should be butchering and eating cows in our gurudwaras, and the other was basically calling "sita" a .
And those kinds of videos (I cannot blame the entire the sikh community) are not making you any friends...
Post those Videos as evidences, else we have heard a lot of lies from yourself ...
That might be the reason your posts not getting posted, as you just post lies without any evidences ...
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Sajjan Kumar is moving scot free for the past 30 years, nothing happened to him. Earlier an arrest warrant was issued against him, CBI went to arrest him, and wasn't able to arrest him, he absconded, CBI and Delhi Police said, we can't find him
. Nothing is going to happen to him.1
** Tom Watson Uk Member Of Parliament Reveals Biggest Secret: Britain Involved In 1984 Army Attack On Darbar Sahib
in WHAT'S HAPPENING?
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POINT OF VIEW AS A BRITISH TAX-PAYER (NOT AS A SIKH)
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TOTAL COST OF BRITAIN GIVING GUIDANCE TO INDIA IS MUCH MUCH MORE THAN LISTED BELOW -
COST OF TAXI FOR BRITISH MILITARY/INTELLIGENCE PERSON FROM HOME TO HEATHROW (RETURN) - APPROX. £250
COST OF FLIGHT FROM HEATHROW TO INDIA (RETURN - BUSINESS CLASS) - APPROX. £2500
COST OF TAXI FROM N. DELHI TO AMRITSAR - APPROX. £100
COST OF LIVING IN AMRITSAR - APPROX. £250 PER DAY, STAY FOR 15 DAYS = £3750
COST OF 1 MILITARY ADVISOR VISITING INDIA TO ADVISE ON INDIA'S INTERNAL MATTERS = APPROX. £6600
5 SUCH MAN-TRIPS = £33,000
£33,000 IN 1984 IS EQUIVALENT TO £100,000 TODAY
10 SUCH MAN-TRIPS = £66,000
£33,000 IN 1984 IS EQUIVALENT TO £200,000 TODAY
IS BRITISH TAX PAYER MONEY MEANT TO FUND SENDING OF INTELLIGENCE/MILITARY TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES TO SUPRESS THEIR INTERNAL CONFLICTS???
WHAT OBLIGATION WAS BRITISH PM/GOVT. SERVING TO PROVIDE SUCH SERVICE TO INDIAN GOVT.??? WHO GIVES THEM THE POWER TO MIS-USE HARD EARNED TAX PAYER MONEY???
I PAY HEAVY TAX ON MY INCOME, AND ALL OTHER BRITISH CITIZENS SHOULD ASK THEIR MP'S - "IS THIS WAY OUR HARD-EARNED TAX-PAYER MONEY IS SPENT"?