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We are letting dumb Hindus make joke of us. It doesn't happen in my life, because Hindus know they don't stand a chance. 

"Now in 2018 every single country USA, UK, Russia, Canada, France, Germany, Japan, etc even including China and Pakistan are sucking up to Modi because they care about the financial benefits of trading with a 1.3 billion population multi-trillion economy as opposed to the human rights of the thousands killed in the years from 1984 in the Congress Genocide of Sikhs unleashedby terrorist Indira Gandhi and her wretched son."

Answer, sort of: As I mentioned before, I respect what you are doing and saying. However, that being said, read Sikh history ( which I am sure you have), Sikhs have never moved forward without taking revenge or justice, I am open to you providing me some examples from the Sikh history, where that has not happened. 

You might think that odds are against Sikhs, but read Sikh history, I will take these odds any day compare to what Sikhs have been through in the past. I have full faith that Sikhs will get justice, no matter what the odds are. 

As you know, what I am saying and what you are saying are not mutually exclusive, we can do both. 

I will pm you, just because I believe in your cause, I will either either match or double the donation to your Sikh charity although they are not the one I donate to.  

"Educate me on how you propose to fix the disease so I can learn".

I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, you have very good intentions, and I can respect that. Also, I am not doing anything constructive either. 

You mention that more Sikhs were killed during partition, but Sikhs took revenge/justice, we were able to keep our turbans. Similarly, in all other genocides, Sikhs fought back, and we have something to be proud of. Sikhs were very small in numbers even then, but that didn't stop Sikhs from dying for Justice (think about  Garja Singh). There was a time when Muslims (some Muslims) said that there is no Sikh left in Punjab, but Sikhs fought back and were able to form Khalsa Raj. Sikhs in those times didn't think how small their percent is compare to the majority. 

There is only one answer: as mentioned by Guruji and Sant ji; when there is no other way to get justice then the use of sword is the most pious thing to do. 

Answer: Either we get the justice or we die fighting for Justice. 

36 minutes ago, GareebSikh1699 said:

Guys far be it from me to spoil the fantasy dreams party but ...

... with all due respect ... instead of fantasising uselessly

... Let us all unitedly focus on 5 simple objectives like how we:

1. Ensure only one united Gurdwara per pind and locality

2. Ensure 99% of Sikhs avoid drugs and alcohol

3. Raise money to ensure 100% literacy amongst poor Sikh children

http://www.shdf.org/

4. Eradicate female infanticide as a phenomenon among Sikhs

5. Raise money to combat cancer amongst poor Sikhs in particular

 

I agree, presently there is no easy way to create our own country, but that should be the only goal. 

What you are mentioning are just some of the symptoms not the disease! Did you ever think why certain communities have drug issues and other social problems (e.g., black and native American community). Main reason is that they have nothing to be proud of and they don't see any future. 

Similarly, at present, Sikhs are not proud and don't see any future. Tell me what will you do if your Sikhs sisters have been raped and brother and sisters been killed, and the killers are roaming free and they tell Sikhs not to even stand up (in other words, they are kicking our turbans)

Put yourself in those shoes, then only thing left is denial, which can only achieved by drugs! 

Unless we get justice, and get our turbans back, the issues you are mentioning are not going away!

1 hour ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Fair enough. I always have referred to it as quran sharif.. I'm not sure i would call any religious scripture that speaks of the divine as gandh 

You also think that Hindu don't kill Sikhs! Go back to your Hindu lovers. 

On 5/31/2018 at 11:01 AM, Big_Tera said:

Other faiths no. As they are mostly peaceful people. 

Muslims places - Yes. 

We got foolish people dishing out meals on eid. Thats how silly some of us have become. 

Put a sock in it. These same muslims see us as infidels. Yet we feed them look after their mosques. Next we will be marrying them off in our gurdwaras  

opps thats already happened. 

You are saying, Hindus, who probably have killed as many Sikhs as Muslims, are peaceful!! 

For your information, Hindus like you are still killing Sikhs!

5 hours ago, Singh123456777 said:

Yup it is for hindus like me and all the singh-hindus in the 1700s.

You got that right, Hindu

1 hour ago, Singh123456777 said:

Jathedar Akaali Baba Santa Singh Nihang 96krori Budha Dal.

Yes, Hindus like traitor Santo and his followers. Now you have a new devi called Indira

On 5/26/2018 at 10:02 AM, Singh123456777 said:

Dushera is in october

Maghi mela is in january

martyrdom of 4 sahibzade in december

birth of mata sahib devan in october

Dushera is for Hindus like you. And for the traitor Santo!

20 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

I recently saw a sikh album called straight outta khalistan lol 

No, we should call it coming out of dumb Hindu India. Why don't you take your dumb  stuff to Hindu site, where you belong

6 minutes ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

So many words so little substance 

Why are we still arguing with this Hindu?

4 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

How do we know for certain he is a 'Sikh man'

Just because he has a turban and dhari that does not make him Sikh.

Never judge a book by its cover. 

Theres so many turbaned men with dharis who are absolutley vile and scum of the earth. 

You don't even understand the concept. 

On 8/21/2017 at 11:45 PM, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Most Sikhs are Indians. 

We have seen the consequences of fighting for our homeland in 84 nd it was bloody. India today is much stronger than in 84. Any sikh rebellion would be crushed in an instant. It would be foolish to repeat the same again 

This is exactly the same thing which Muslim Kings and army was saying about Sikhs a few centuries ago. In fact, these Muslim rulers were saying that no Sikh is left, however, Sikhs did become rulers of the land after couple of Genocides. I am not saying it is going to be easy with Hindu India, but you are under estimating Sikhs. 

10 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

I am not against moneh  but I saw how few sardar men raising their young son without uncut kes and patka . 

How horrible is that? if your son grows up and cut his hair, its a different thing , but to raise him such , it reflects the self-loathing and self-esteem issues these men have . 

Let me get this right, btw I agree with you. 

Hindus raped and killed sikhs in 1984. Thousands of Sikh mothers and daughters were raped and killed in 1984, and they still are!

Thousands of Sikh were killed in 1984 and they are still being killed by Hindus without any problem.

Point I am making is, why those sikh father's should care, we have nothing to be proud of as being Sikh in Hindu India  However, as a Sikh I do think we will win in the end. 

At this time if you want to rally sikhs up, all you have to say is Dasam graranth, they don't care that sikhs are getting killed and raped every day,  however, they wanna fight about Dasam garanth or meat because they are not ready for the real battle!!

6 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Why wait for independence? Why can't they start doing it now? Why didn't Panjabi SIkhs start this years ago? 

There is a backwards conservatism when it comes to innovation out there, not to mention widespread petty jealousy. 

You do realize that the other state industries get subsidized by the govt (eg, Himachal), so even if Punjab has the best industry it cannot compete with products from states which are subsidized. All I am saying is that everything is not equal in Hindu India

8 hours ago, Singh1989 said:

Thas all.

Why should Sikhs be happy for Hindu Independence? Sikhs are still getting killed by Indian govt !!

11 hours ago, sitokaur said:

Khalsa kill ONLY IN DHARAM YUDH!

Why is this Hindu on a Sikh site!! Khalsa fight for righteousness! 

Who define Dharam yudh

10 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Such bullsht excuses ! 

We will bend over backward to any extent just to appear "cool" , when infact no one gives 2 crrap to no matter how much you handle out freebies in the name of "langar" and "sewa" . Langar just meant roti daal sabzi, simple and healthy , not the processed food crrap we see in gurdwara nowadays.

Not the "lets hand out coke and bagels" we see in chowks of western cities. You think the gorey give 2 crrap that you're giving free handouts to them ? they are prolly thinking you're doing nothing special as you prolly own them atleast that much for living in their country.

Wherever the christian and muslims went, they spread their culture , eating habit, dressing habit , and religion. We lose ours wherever we go. Sometimes I wonder god revealing sikhi to a group (punjabi) that is so grossly opposite to sikhi just goes on to prove god is just trolling humans lol seriously

You have a point or you just like to complain!! White Christians ruled Punjab for 100 years, and they were not able to convert us to their religion, even though they had all the control. If you cannot be proud of your religion then keep your mouth shut!

3 hours ago, Prokharkoo84 said:

Very good post bro but in regards to losing, I get your side but ultimately we won... Prior to 84 and post 84 look at the shift in change of people who came in touch with Sikhi again, the spirit of the Khalistanis gave the Sikhs their Anakh back and ultimately bro, people like myself and many more most likely wouldn't have an interest in Sikhi if it wasnt due to the Baba Deep Singh,  Sukha Singhs and  Mehtab Singhs of the 80s and 90s

As a Sikh, I think we just lost some battles, and in the end we will win the WAR (it might take some time, but we will win)! However, that being said, I don't agree with you.  Yes, Khalistan movement produced some of the great Sikh Shaheeds of all times, and as you, we all are proud of that. You are right, that it brings lot of Anakh/Pride to Sikhs in diaspora and in some places in Punjab.  Still, we cannot deny the fact that we lost, and Hindus make fun of us and remind us that they have killed the "Sikh Spirit".  Airport in Delhi is named after Indira, that is akin to naming airport after Massa Ranghar, and one big road in Punjab is named after Jagat Narain.  Just a year ago, the DGP of punjab was Saini who killed more innocent Sikhs and raped Sikhs mothers, daughters, and sister than anybody else, even present DGP has innocent Sikh bloods on his hand.  Nobody really got punished for Sikh Genocide in Delhi and other parts of India, I personally heard one hindu saying that it seems like you Sikhs have forgot Delhi 84.  Many Sikhs who fought against India are still in jail, you get the picture.

The point I am trying to make is that because of these past and present injustices, many Sikhs (especially in India) feel no pride and that is reason for the following things:

Less and less Sikhs are keeping turban/kesh 

Drug use among Sikhs. Look at any kaum who has lost they have issues with drugs (native americans, black, etc).

Fighting about meat, Dasam Granth, Raag malla, etc.  At this point most Sikhs will fight on superficial reasons instead of realizing we are slaves in Hindu India.  Hindus are enjoying these stupid Sikh fights.

Anyway, I am realizing that I am taking this thread on a different tangent, and I will stop here.  Maybe one day when I have more time, and I will start a new topic on this issue.

The reason we are talking about "lessons to be learnt from Khalistan movement" is because Sikhs lost (yes it is obvious and everybody here knows this), if we would have won there would have been "no lesson"  even though some things were done wrong, but I will say, those were symptoms and not the real reason/disease for the Khalistan movement to fail.  Let me explain:  As many of you know, there was a time in late 80s when it seems like Khalistan was going to become a reality, in fact, Indian PM Chander Shaker was ready to make a deal, which was close to demand of Khalistan. However, one external reason (not really external, but out of Sikh control) that killed everything was building a wall between India Punjab and Pakistan Punjab! This wall is the sole reason for the Khalistan movement to fail.

Israel provided this information to India that unless India build a wall, insurgency will never end, and sooner or later Khalistan will come into existence.  As you know, Israel is also surviving because of the wall between palestinian and Israel land.  Of course, Banazir providing the names of Sikh freedom fighters to Indian intelligence didn't help either. Additionally, Pakistan never really wanted to help Sikhs with regard to Khalistan they just wanted Sikhs to create violence in India.

Insurgency is still going on in Kashmir because India cannot build a wall there for many reasons, and unfortunately kashmiri muslims don't know how to fight, if Sikhs were in that area Khalistan would have come into existence.  Anyway, I digress, what I am trying to say is that in late 80s many Sikh freedom fighters realized that Khalistan might not become a reality.  Just to clarify, it is not that they explicitly thought about that, but all the news was very demoralizing (killing of leaders of Sikh movement everyday with impunity).  That is when social reforms, some non justified killing, some wrong deals were made.  Yes, we can learn from them, but in the end we lost for different reason.  I will address some other issues later.