REDRUM

I guarantee that if you asked the brahmgianis about bhai gurdas Ji's varan then they will reply and do veechar of them straight away. There is a reason why for e.g. sant jagjit singh says what he says. Every question you ask them is replied back without any doubt they truely have gian.. It's just that we doubt and think that our understanding is greater than the brahmgianis, which causes problems but your underestimating them by saying that don't they use bhai gurdas ji's varan. Obviously they do know about them but maybe the way we interpret them is wrong and english translations arn't always right and fully in context... Why don't you ask them to do veechar next time I'm 100% sure your doubts about this will be cleared.

But NEVER NEVER think and limit brahmgianis knowledge that is a big mistake your making and saying that it is different from bhai gurdas ji.. You need to first ask a brahmgiani to do bibek for you then you'll see...

Admin Note: Look, don't know about you, but we Sikhs have Sahib Siri Guru Granth Sahib Jee, the supreme BrahmGyani, and that is the end of it. The Panj Piyare have been given the authority to give Naam in Gurmat, end of story.

I watched the video properly this doesn't seem like beadbi to me. Whoever built the place was trying to annoy us by copying sri harmandar sahib. But in the video (please correct me if I am wrong) the sri guru granth sahib is being given proper respect.... Its also in a separate room and the hindu shrines are outside... So whats the beadbi..

On a plus side it brings the sikhs and hindus together... All religions are equal REMEMBER... Doing matha tekhna to say for e.g. to vishnu maharaj for a hindu is the same for a sikh to bow down to dhan dhan sri guru granth sahib ji. Both are sargun saroop of waheguru....

BUT THE CASE WITH warehouse owned by Lachman Chela Ram is MAJOR BEADBI

This is like guru ji becoming shaheed for us 2500 times:@

But let me tell you that there is so much beadbi going on like I went to kalgaar gurdwar in india and they were slaughtering a sheep near sri guru granth sahib ji and I tried to stop it but there were too many ppl against me and I was lucky that they didn't kill me because I was from abroad... But they broke my leg as I wasn't strong enough...

What I am saying is that if you really want to make a difference first build your kamai like sant jarnail singh then you will have kirpa from waheguru to put an end to these things. Someone like me may have the courage to face the whole gurdwara but it is suisidal as I don't have kamai to do anything.....and don't have kirpa to make a difference...

Then I went to get some aid from another gurdwara and everyone there was bowing down to a tree and sitting around it and sri guru granth sahib ji was inside and noone was attending it.. But everyone was outside looking at the tree. That day was the worst day of my life but I couldn't do anything as I was in too much pain.

But learn from my lesson and defeat... that first you must become a saint then a warrior.. Today no one has the spirtual development to do anything..

Btw Sant Jajit singh wasn't the brahmgiani I was talking about but they have the same views... as brahmgianis are 1 and knowledge is same. Let us learn from them and our misunderstandings be cleared.

I hope I helped you Only five next time I will not be spoon feeding you this... Just agree to disagree ok:sleep:

6. In Kalyug, can Sachkhand be attained without Khande Batte Da Amrit ?

- Sant ji said, whoever did naam di kaamie from any bhek will attain sackhand. There are many ways to meet Vahiguroo, whosoever did naam kaamie after receiving spiritual discourses from saints will get to sachkhand. However, there is only condition, sant/mahapursh should be pooran gyanvan/bhramgyani. He/she could be from any matt, jatt/patt.So regardless of them being sikh a brahmgiani can give naam only and doesn't matter what religion they are from.

7. Did the devi/devtae (Krishan Bhagwan etc) attain Sachkhand, if so how, because in Bachitar Natak Guru Ji states they all got lost in maya and that why Guru Ji had to come?

- Sant ji said, krishan maharaj is also avtar of vahiguroo, he is always in sachkhand. Wherever he steps, that place becomes sachkhand.

8. Are the bhatts/bhagats who have their writings in Guru granth Sahib Ji, actually the Devi/Devtae reborn and attained SachKhand through Guru Ji?

- Sant ji said, guru maharaj took gurbani from bhagats who were mukht(liberated). They were mukht before sri guru nanak dev ji came in physical form. Vahiguroo is only one, vahiguroo is the one takes avtar from ages to ages. Some people call him narsingh, raam, krishan, sri guru nanak dev ji etc there all one. To see any distination or have any partiality is work of agyani pursh(ignorant ones) not aim or work of gyanvan bhramgyanis.

I'm not going to reveal the brahmgiani but all I will say is that they have a kutia in wolverhampton in their name....

But another brahmgiani has answered the questions before..... his name is sant jagjit singh ji harkhowal. Here is the link you can download the links to the questions he says that

naam can be given by a brahmgiani... Also your in luck only five he also tells you the definition of satguru as well (please listen to it, it will really really help you). Also you will learn how the bhagats got mukti... Anyway enjoy this will be an eye opener for you.. But remember we're all learning so don't get too disheartened.

Here's the link and in that webpage it has audio files where you can listen to them.

http://www.sikhphilo...-harkhowal.html

Watch Redrum run and hide now that I asked him which Brahmgiani have told him about Naam of Brahmgiani.

Oh please lol

P.S. Listen to the parts about krishan Maharaj as well that will help you as well as you don't think they were in sachkand but they are all one... You will see..

I said ask those question to a brahmgiani, obviously your not a brahmgiani (You don't have the gyan to answer them NO OFFENCE)... Also read sukhmani sahib part and see what I mean... I have no gyan so this what I have learnt from brahmgianis and sri guru granth sahib

Anyway do what I said it will really help you to clear your doubts...

Good luck

I gave you gurbani to answer your questions but you don't agree with it, so what's the point.. I diagree with most your points and I can use gurbani to prove them wrong but your just going to say your twisting gurbani to suit your needs lol

You know what, if you ever meet a brahmgiani ask them these questions, which I have already asked:

Can a brahmgiani give naam?

Second what difference is there between god and a brahmgiani?

Then you will see.

In the meantime lets agree to disagree.<_<

P.S. Also ask them what the def of satguru is as clearly you don't know...Then take it like a man lol

only five you may diagree but you clearly haven't met a brahmgiani.. So why talk the talk when you haven't walked the walk...

What difference is there between guru ji and brahmgianis?

So whatever a brahgiani says is true if he gives naam then there is no difference in guru ji giving amrit to you personally.

Har harjan dohi ik he bib beechar kish nahe

God and god's lovers are 1 dicussing differences are futile.

Tuhi muhi muhi tuhi antar kesa

you are me and I am you and there is no difference

Brahmgiani aap parmesher

Brahmgiani is god himself

See there is no difference... Doesn't need marada to prove anything when gurbani itself gives the authority to brahmgianis. (I suggest you read the 13th astpadhi of sukhmani sahib part). If give gurbani gives authority to brahmgianis then it is the same as guru gobind singh ji saying it..

Simples

Aren't they all promises and symbolically powerful in a way. It's the path you take after that defines everything.

Yes thats correct and once you follow the path you want then you must never quit until you have achieved your goal..

Tera pana meeta lageh!!

All this is happening in waheguru's will and his grace if he wanted it stopped it will be..

If you read my reply before, this was aimed at ppl saying that only taking amrit by panj leads to sackhand only but this was incorrect. There are many diff paths as I highlighted above saying that naam from brahmgiani gives you the same result... Taking amrit is 1 way but there are other ways as well... They are all 100% guaranteed..

You need to take amrit from panj or get naam from a brahmgiani(both are same) if you want spirtual progress. Take a step towards this as soon as possible as you don't know when you will die... So don't put it of..

TBH honest with maharaj's kirpa I have taken both naam from brahmgiani and taken amrit so there is no difference but you got to remember taking amrit is ONLY THE BEGINNING. The Journey afterwards is very difficult (in terms if rehit and spirtual progress) but has to be walked on..

Spiritually.

Exactly, which is only done by naam simran and following rehit..But I still don't get your point if you were trying to make one...

Selfish mentality too its a wonder that your not living in a cave. One need's to acheive a lot in life before they can have full faith and be blessed by Satguru.

Yes I am very selfish... Anyway what do you mean that one needs to acheive a lot in life before they are blessed?

You mean in terms of money, career etc ? lol

Picture yourself in the 17th or 18th century fighting in the Khalsa army, would you trust your fellow Sikhs?

There's a difference in trust and worldly practicality, if you look into it all you'll realize getting a blow taken to you (ie someone cheating you) really shouldn't matter to a Gursikh. Sure, you have to be careful and avoid such things, but not trusting anyone really, really says something.

You should rethink what you said imo instead of clinging on it like a blind individual.

That khalsa army that once existed does not exist anymore if it did then there would be no beadbi today... Yes but I am not a gursikh and my thinking has never let me waver from naam simran.. This thinking is true, everyone has god in them but are their qualities like god? Everyone is like a pick pocketer looking for their own interest no one is there for you.. so why waste your time trusting someone.

Like I said only have faith, trust and love in waheguru.... Everything and everyone that has not let you down and broken your trust will eventually do so (This is a gurantee).

you have such a negative attitude, its going to take you nowhere in life.

It is not negativity but practical thinking lol.. Seriously I don't care if I don't achieve anything in life as long as I have waheguru's name and faith in him then I am satisfied...

If someone can't be trusted, they're not a Sikh. What Guru Gobind Singh Ji said holds true.

I think what you're trying to say is you can't trust all punjabis.

I also mean amritdari sikhs as well.. I only trust brahmgianis and sri guru granth sahib ji thats about it.. How can I trust someone who is still effected by the 5 evils? They will eventually let you down...

I've seen their videos, they seem legitimate and honorable. Have trust and faith, Guru Gobind Singh Ji said one should trust a fellow Sikh.

Videos can easily be faked and acted out...(Not that I am saying the videos above are fake lol) Also I've been ripped of by many sikhs in the past, if someone is sikh it doesn't mean they can be trusted... Let that be my advice to you be careful in who you trust and even better don't trust and have expectation in anyone but only waheguru...

and only who take amrit can go to sachkhand so u have to see how important amrit is

I know this for a fact that amrit is not the only way to sachkand there are many other paths. So please don't misinform the sangat.. I have met brahmgianis that have merged with akal purakh without taking kande amrit. So this concept is false first test this theory of yours practically rather than saying what you have heard.

its all legit no punjabi corruption unlike other orgs lol u get so get involved peeps

I hope so.... tbh you don't know what really happens unless your there... (It is kaljug).

I had a relationship with a gursikh and learnt he was a fake gursikh that has had many other females in his time

Tbh you could of saved yourself from all this.. Obviously he was a fake because GURSIKHS DON'T DO DATING DOOTING! So please don't say he was a fake gursikh he wasn't EVEN ONE. You shouldn't be dating anyway..

I been contemplating whether or not to write a thread for a couple of weeks, I will keep it as brief a possible.

I was introduced to a girl, I thought she was perfect the person for me I had my doubts, but I asked Guruji to settle them for me and he did, I would have said yes to her, it was all going well but she has ended it now her family said she had met me three times and she had to make a decision, in the end she said given how she felt having doubts she was going to say no.

I just feel gutted I was so fed up before I was introduced to her I was adamant I wouldn't talk to any more people but everyone said I had too otherwise it looked bad that my pooaji had made the effort to introduce me to someone. I cant believe this has happened again, I have seen over 12 girls now and this was the only I would have said yes too.

I keep thinking to myself that my worse fears are coming true Im going to end up dieing alone. I've felt so alone these last 3 years the only thing that seems I have learned from all this is im just alone in this world. Every time I think about how I feel and if I end up alone jus break down in tears.

Im sorry to burden everyone with this im sure your fed up reading the same thing over and over again by people, but i honestly dont have anyone else to talk to right now.

Im trying to hide from my parents how depressed I feel

See this as waheguru's full kirpa.. I know it's hard to believe but marriage isn't the answer to your loneliness. Consider yourself lucky trust me MARRIAGE IS DUKH (Pain)!! (If you play with fire - Expect to get burned lol) Seriously your never alone waheguru is always with you, if you feel lonely go to the gurdwara and sit in the sadh sangat.. It will help and your loneliness will go and FORGET all about marriage and looking for the right spouse.. by doing this your worries will disappear instantly..

So to make it simpler:

When your Lonely= Go to gurdwara and join together with the sadh sangat and when your by yourself talk to waheguru (I mean literally)

When your feeling negative and in fear= Block all your negative thoughts and fears by doing simran over them.

lol I can't forgive you I'm a papi myself only guru ji can

Then why did you reply to me in the first place lol

You don't have to argue I just asked a few questions...