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Surpised none of "baba" ji's chele have replied in this thread. Perhaps he has none.
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actually i think you do need to pin point one committee(s) whom it involves, because then you are blaming them all.
khalsa ji, as you said i organised a meeting in a Gurdwara in which invited punjab police, what am i supposed to do? boycott the Gurdwara?
From ALL my posts do i seem like a AGENT? Or Anti Khalistan or anti Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa or anti to the current Sikh Movement for Sikh Self Determination??? or do i seem like a PANTH VIRODI?
or someone who wants to see the Panth go downhill?
Khalsa ji, we need to take these Gurdwaras away from the claws of these BEASTS who are "Chamche" of indias politicians and of the punjab police.
No need to hold meetings at the Guru Ghar until the committee sets out a policy on the kabaddi tournament and PP officers playing in it. There, there are plenty of venues where you could hold meetings that are not linked to kabaddi tournaments and PP officers.
Unless there has only been one committee since 1980s then all the committees are to blame. They should either continue allowing the PP officers to take part or remove all the human rights and Khalistan literature form within the Guru Ghar. They simply do not practice what they teach.
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It always get to the form but not any further. A complete waste of sangats money.
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Oh and another thing, please research into which people, were in the management committee of the Gurdwara, who invited punjab police into the tournaments and which people ACTUALLY HAVE LINKS WITH INDIA'S POLITICIANS AND PUNJABS POLICE and invited them to the tournaments.
because.. you are putting the Gurdwara down as a whole.
I have not put down the Guru Ghar. It is the people managing the Guru Ghar who have been allowing PP to attend the Brum tournament. quite a few of the players from India are linked to PP so why are they still allowed to attend and play in Brum tournament ?
This is not a new thing it has been going on since the mid 1980s. So no good trying to blame just one committee.
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OMG oh yeah punjab radio is the best isnt it?? yep soo perfect even the people that do katha on it COLOUR THEIR BEARDS BLACK.
Oh and the ORG your on about its always done bad hasnt it? NEVER EVER done ANYTHING good has it???
well i would like to ask in which way Khalsa ji do you contribute to the Movement? and Contirbute to the Panth and Panthic SEVA???
And about AWAZE QAUM INTERNATIONAL what has it done wrong??? it does enough parchaar, NEVER had given a Pakhandi's Advert like... peer sahib, pundit maharaj and all the rest B******T.
Only NAROOL Sikhi and its still bad?
someone does seva, and someone gets jealous, says rubbish? and you believe?
Now where have I heard that one before.......lets think back who was jealous about Nishkam Sevak Jatha ?
Never mind what orgs I subscribe to as there is little point in doing seva if all you want to do is boast about being a member of xyz. I would not compromise my views however by holding meetings at Gurdwara linked to Punjab Police via sponsoring Brum tournament.
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I wont mention names but the organisations linked with this gurdwara (which btw has nothing to do with nanaksar), has a lot to answer for,
for many years it has tarnished the panthic movement in the uk, by using strong arm tactics to gain control of gurdwaras an play dirty politics, they have very dubios links with gangs, ex policeman and the underworld in the UK.
Many of their members have acted as agents in bringing dhadi, ragi, sant babas over to the uk, taking a cut of the money made. i can name names and instances but wont.
They where instrumental in bringing this baba over to the uk, who allegedly speaks for khalistan, but what does that mean?
The GOI is not threatened by people who shout khalistan, this infact helps the case against it.
They are more concerned with writers and intelectualls in India who are still working in india, only 2weeks ago a young writer had the 2nd attempt on his life.
This Singh is working actively in India against the RSS, yet you will never hear him shouting baout khalistan, yet he has probaly done more for the movement than this pakhandi baba ever will.
It is typical of members of this org im not sure if singh_shromani aligns himself to this org but his words do have the same tone.
They seem to think that whoever can shout the Kahlistan Zindabad the loudest is the most panthic, yet they have done nothing but to put people off the whole notion of sikh nationhood.
It is sad that in this case it will be a case of them shouting everyone else down on this issue until it is brushed under the carpet, i am thankfull that we have a an independent radio station like Punjab Radio, that will continue to speak the truth.
By the way when has Punjab radio said anything against Sant jee?
Gurfateh
Agree with your comments about shouting Khalistan the loudest.
Singh Shriomani, dont you think the government would have locked this "baba" up on some trumped up charges if as the "baba" claims the indian Intelligence Bureau (IB) etc were watching him etc POTA was a great tool for putting people away . Its all a charade to build himself up as some big time "baba" and to earn a bit of money. If not why does he need to tour western countries. Has he run out of people to do parchar to in India ?
Its a shame that people fall ito this trap. If he cares about Khalistan so much where was he during 1984 and when all the Singh were becoming Shaheed ? Why did he do nothing then ?
Looks like he will not be getting a visa for another UK tour.
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Waheguroo ji ka Khalsa Waheguroo ji ki Fateh !!
Daas want to visit India during visaakhi for the visaakhi samagam and was looking for information to book the room as I was told that there is so much rush that time that it is very difficult to get a room unless booked in advance.
If anyone has any information or contact, please advice.
Waheguroo ji ka Khalsa Waheguroo ji ki Fateh !!
I have been told that the Nishkam Sevak Jatha have built a serai near Gurdwara Baba Atal for NRIs. I am not sure if it is open yet but you may want to contact the Jatha and ask them. I do not have any contacts details for them.
You should in theory be able to book a room online at the SGPC web site http://www.sgpc.net/sarai-booking/index.asp but I know of someone who tried booking using this site but kept getting error messages. You could email sgpc@vsnl.com .
The SGPC were reported to have spent many lakh rupees on the web site but it looks as if some child designed it using frontpage. A shame really as it would be useful for the sangat to have a functional site where they could book rooms.
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your issue about i dont live in your area, you do something about it.... i don't live in france but i'm still trying to do the most i can to support the case to the Dastaar, does this mean because your not in france you will not support french sikhs? or raise your voice against what french authourities are doing to them?
THESE ARE PANTHIC ISSUES, ISSUES WHICH WE ALL NEED TO TAKE ACTION.
And yes Panjab Radio do Talk AGAINST Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa (Bhindranwale) ask ANY panthic org and they will agree, ask students of Taksal and they will agree!
Yes we held a meeting at the Gurdwara, big deal? What has that got to do with punjab police? i ain't invited them, none of us did... No police and no politician especially ones involved in the massacare of Sikhs who do not support Sikh Self Determination and who came into power and did nothing to free the innocent Singhs in the jails of india, should not be invited!!
I repeat again, so you happy about holding meetings at a Gurdwara that openly sponsors tournaments where members of the Punjab Police are allowed to play and attend. The very same Punjab Police that was torturing, raping and murdering our brothers and sisters in Punjab. Maybe the committee wale and those who hold meetings there have forgotten about what was happening in Punjab. BIG DEAL of cause it is unless you think what the Punjab Police did was OK.
Say what you want about Panjab Radio. In my view they are doing a good job and are impartial. More impartial than the likes of Awze Quam publication.
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Punjab radio talks against Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa "Bhindranwale" what is Baba Baljit Singh against him? and do u believe them on Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji aswell????
and your issue about i dont live in your area, you do something about it.... i don't live in france but i'm still trying to do the most i can to support the case to the Dastaar, does this mean because your not in france you will not support french sikhs? or raise your voice against what french authourities are doing to them?
THESE ARE PANTHIC ISSUES, ISSUES WHICH WE ALL NEED TO TAKE ACTION.
Oh so Panjab Radio is now in on the conspiracy. Whatever next RAW were behind dissapearance of Lord Lucan and RAW got Elvis and Rob Maxwell bumped off. I have heard presenters on Panjab Radio say good things about Baba Jarnail Singh so how you reconcile that with what you are claiming ?
Not me who sits in Brum saying this and that about Nishkam Sevak Jatha and making accusations about Mohinder Singh (without ever showing proof) yet you hold meetings at a Gurdwara that plays host to Punjab Police officers at Brum tournaments. Ah well if you are happy with that then so be it......the old saying "those living in glass houses should not throw stones" springs to mind.
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Right, going back to the issue, a radio station has backed up the case of Sant Baba Baljit Singh Ji Khalsa, and have given a live interview.
Baba Ji has questioned where are the people he has allegedly brought over from india?? which family has he brought over from india?
Its all a punch of lies fabricated to make Sikhs look bad in the media.
Otherwise wouldnt they show the people who he's brought over? speaking to the Singhs who's pictures have been put on the paper, ANYONE AND EVERYONE can question them, they said SANT BABA BALJIT SINGH JI KHALSA HAS GOT NOTHING WHAT SO EVER TO DO WITH THEM, THEY HAVE MET BABA JI WHILST DOING KATHA KIRTAN AT GURDWARA NANAKSAR WALSALL. AND THAT IS ALL.
so its all rubbish. and they can be questioned at any time!
whatelse proof does one need?
Not what the guy said on Panjab Radio this morning. He said the "baba" had got his family members over.
Who did Maz meet who said he was the "baba".
This is not lies it is true, some no-marks were giving out letters to facilitate illegal immigrants.
I am not from Brum and do not go to the Gurdwara in question where they have small stands outside to highlight human rights abuses every now and inside have notices telling youngsters why not to be proud of the tiranga. At the same time they play a major part in Brum tournament where Punjab Police (PP) officers attend and take part. You held a meeting at the Gurdwara so maybe you know the committee. Perhaps you can have a word with them about the double standards they employ. If I lived in the area I would do something but it is your territory so leave it down to you. Unless of cause you agree with having PP officers at tournaments sposored by Gurdwara. Terrible all this stuff happening in Brum. Only last week we had pictures of a Brummie councillor and some other brummie honouring the nirankhari associate gurcharan mall. No good naming tournaments after Panthic Shaheed when you going to have PP at the tournaments.
Its not fabricated. Who wrote the letter for the journalist ? and charged £400 ? Not a RAW agent was it ! It was so called Sikhs. Not the medias problem that these so called Sikh used religion as a means to get immigrants over to the UK.
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What have I said about you ? also stop using all this <admin-profanity filter activated> language it is not becoming of a Gursikh to feel the need to resort to such gutter language.
Read the posts carefully before getting your ******* in a twist.
Did I say your family had benefitted ? No I said the family of the money making baba had benefitted. This is the baba you are claiming is good because he talks about Khalistan.
urrrr......oh the Punjab Police Officers at Brum Tournament issue causing you problems ? Its still going on. They even allow Pidoo (now retired but top player in the 1980s) who is a DSP to attend the tournament.
Yes I repeat again. What proof have you ever presented to back up your claims about Soho Road Jatha ?
What proof....what proof ....what proof, its all you ever say. Come on give me proof about Soho Road Jatha. Reading old posts I recall you was ready to have your head cut off and all sorts not too long ago but then went all quiet on the issue.
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This story was partially discussed on the Chardi Kall program on Panjab Radio.
The presenter did not mention his source but siad the baba / sant was involved and had been using this dirty technique to get his fmaily members to the UK.
So Singh Shriomani looks like the family of the baba has benefited and looks certain that the baba was involved in some way.
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Gadar. Usual Pak-India partition split rubbish. Sunny Deol dons a turban as if it is a baseball cap. Some places he has it on other scenes it is discarded. His sidekick in the truck also has kesh but is shown as a <banned word filter activated>.
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oh yeah isit? yeah a Sant / Baba was exposed before, but wheres the proof Khalsa ji????
Khalsa ji, where is the proof on that Sant / Baba of the misdeeds he did???
i can go handing out B*** <admin-profanity filter activated> leaflets about people of our Community does that mean its true?
so much was said about that Sant / Baba does it mean its true???
Wheres the stories now about him??? it said more was coming wheres it all gone now??????????????????
This Story now about Sant Baba Baljit Singh Ji Khalsa wheres THE PROOF???
come on i could say MAZHER MAHMOOD is a terrroist and was plaaning to cause havok on the Sikh Community and Sikh Gurdwara's.... does this MEAN ITS TRUE???????
go speak to the people involved they say it has got nothing to do With Sant Baba Baljit Singh Ji Khalsa!!
He said: "It's a pukka job. Your man is sorted." <<<<< for a person who cannot speak english, can he use this type of language???????????
The story about that baba is well known and it is also well known why he has not stepped foot in Canada since the story broke but is now going to places like Kenya.
You appear to be confused and well into conspiracy theories involving RAW etc. I think you have watched James Bond too many times. Reminds me of your Soho Road fantasy/conspiracies, which you have not proved to date ! Also what you done to stop your uncles at Smethwick Gurdwara allowing Punjab Police officers playing in the Brum Kabaddi tournament ? ( L O L )
Go on I believe the story. You the one who doubts Mazar so go on you prove him wrong.
If its nothing to do with the Sant then which plonker did Mazar interview who claimed he was the baba ?
You ever thought that these so called baba espousing Khalistan etc could be RAW agents sent over every now and then to rouse people like you in the UK ? Afterall if they are so against this "baba" why would they give him a passport to leave India they could easily use toxins in envelopes etc to kill him in a few minutes if your RAW conspiracies are to be believed.
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its FAKE, its a Fake story which has been fabricated, and RAW and other indian govt agencies have fabricated this,
Sant Baba Baljit Singh Ji Khalsa "Dadu Sahib Wale" are one of the Sant's in india who speak 84 and Khalistan aswell as Gurmat Katha Kirtan Updesh
and so the Indian Govt are trying to frame "Sants" and "Kathavaachaks" And "leaders" who speak out.... Khalistan and 84
if you want proof Baba Baljit Singh Ji's cassettes Cd's DVD's from india, recorded Live in a Diwan in india Baba Baljit Singh Speaks openly of Khalistan and Of 84 Shaheeds, and Of Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa "Bhindranwale"
his speeches can be heard on his cassettes and Cds and DVDS.
He also has had trouble with pakhandi gurus like radha soamis and noormahalia's and sirsa wala's.
So if someone speaks about 84 and Khalistan they cannot be involved in immigration scams ? (LOL)
Contact Maz (or whatever his name is and ask him for tape recordings).
Dr Chohan is always on about Khalistan but has not been framed by RAW and IB.
Once again a "Sant" is exposed and his followers claim he can do no wrong. Reminds me about followers of another so called baba/sant accused of sexually exploiting his followers. Whats the point in giving his phone number he is not exactly going to say I am a people smuggler.
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The same dholl player who was happily playing his dholl at the naraqthari centre opening has been given an award by the Sikh Community & Youth Service UK.
see http://www.bbc.co.uk/birmingham/content/im...gallery.shtml?8
It is of great sadness that the two men in the picture honoured this dholl player.
They should remember the sacrifice of the brave Singh who confronted the naraqtharis in 1978.
Picture of the two hnouring the naraqthari associate are attached.
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i agree well name and shame them!!! the same "politicians" and "police officers" and "leaders" who were and are responsible for killing and being involved with the murder/massacre of Sikhs are invited to them tournaments as VIP's and at Gurdwaras they are given siropa's by our pakhandi presidents (pardhaans). we need to keep an eye out for these ppl who abuse their position in the Gurdwara so that when they go india the same politician gives them police security and all the rest and siropas in india.
and these same pardhaans (president) were involved in building the nirankari centre!
Correct me if I am wrong but dont the committee at the Guru Ghar that you recently had you big meeting to discuss various Sikh issues play a major part in the Birmingham Kabaddi Tournament ? It really surprises me because when I went past last year they were having a demonstration outside the Guru Ghar to highlight the human rights abuses. The people managing the very same Guru Ghar then sponsor events where senior Punjab Police officers take part. How can they reconcile having these demos and sponsoring tournaments.
Which pardhaan were involved in the naraqthari centre ?
Also I think all Guru Ghar should be made aware that the dholl player Gurcharan Mall is a naraqthari associate and should not be invited to play at Nagar Kirtan.
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There are two groups of Nirankharis. One group is said to follow Sikh practices and are accepted as Sikhs.
Also Singh Shriomani, it ok telling us a bout pardhan who go to these baba but what about all those Gurdwara (I am sure you are aware which ones I mean) that sponsor kabaddi tournaments where Punjab Police officers are allowed to play (many of them were senior officers during the 1980s/1990s when large scale human rights abuses occured in Punjab).
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sorry, but whats ure point?
they arent Sikhs and they are removed from the panth anyway. by u posting up that link, why dont u just get to it and prove whatever point u wanna prove.
no use in ppl saying that dhol guy shouldnt be allowed by Gurdwaras to play dhol on Vaisakhi days etc. DO something about it then. Right to the Gurdwaras. Not being funny, but hands up if u r the pardhaan of ure local Gurdwara comittee here? I expect hundreds of replies to match the amount of Gurdwaras.
So whats your point ?
The post was to make you all aware of what was happening, obviously you know everything and see little point in the post.
I still fail to see why admin deleted the thread. It would be nice to know. Appears to me that they do not want people to be aware that the naraqtharis are building a following in the UK. Rather than delete a thread why dont they lock a thread and indicate their reasons for doing so. I thought censorship issues were one of the reasons for these new forums.
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If the Prime Minister is accused of something - what do we expect?
The proceedure is that you issue a statement - clarifying your position.
Why is it that "Sant" Maan Singh has not issued a statement?
Why is it that his chelay (followers) are issueing statements! When the only people who know what happened between him and the apparent rape victim are the Baba and the girl.
Only the victim's family knows the grief and pain. It's okay for his fans and followers to say "No its all false". But perhaps the Baba could say something on the matter and it may be more proffesional and respectable.
food for thought
I agree with Sher Panjabi.
Also there is nothing wrong with going to Court in a libel case. Many so called baba/sant go to court in India for financial reasons (get land etc) so what is wrong with taking the paper to court ?
If he does not want to go to court why does he not go to Canada any more ? It is said that he will be charged with the alleged offences.
As for the joot. Why does he not just ask for smaller portions ?
These people all claiming he is innocent sound to me as if they have been brianwashed just like you get with cults. This is not the first time a so called baba has been accused of such crimes and we all know about Dhanwant Su being sentenced to 10 years for rape (incidently the Akal Takht Jathedar let him off on this charge).
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Really? Can anyone shed some light on this please!
Checked a few web sites and we were both wrong. Apparently Shin Kin stands for Mind and Body. It comes frm no language, culture or country it is just a sybolic name.
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This was on BBC teletext.
Sikh demo play under discussion
The issues raised by the cancellation
of controversial play Behzti are to be
discussed at Birmingham University.
The work, which depicts rape and murder
in a temple, was dropped by the city's
Repertory Theatre after violence at a
protest involving hundreds of Sikhs.
Its author, Gurpreet Kaur Bhatti, had
to go into hiding in December after
receiving death threats.
The dispute will be discussed at a
seminar on Monday attended by a leading
member of the Sikh community.
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Maybe his chele are not too internet savvy then.