kurtas

Let them be UK...

Infact take out many of these kind of relics from India and distribute them across the Gurdware in globe...Sikhs belong to this world and not to any particular country.

Guru Ji message should reach each and every corner of the world

Excellent idea.....NOT. We need some form of central museum where these "relics" can be kept in the right environment so future generations can se them. The last thing we need is for them to be distributed across the globe so hardly anyone gets to see them and every oddbod treats them how they want which if we go by our past record means destroying everything we have.

Keep everything in the UK, the nonces in India can go do one, they have destroyed everything they have ever had. They have not yet even managed to get material stolen from the Sikh reference library back from the government yet they want more items.

You will not find these anymore. I remember helping a cousin put one of these together in the 1980s.

Best alternative is to get one made using a good picture of the Darbar Sahib. It is easily done from a photograph and several companies offer a 1000 piece jigsaw option.

http://www.alljigsawpuzzles.co.uk/personal...saw_puzzles.htm

The above site charge about £30 for a 1000piece 60x55cm puzzle.

As long as we have the <banned word filter activated> in my signiture pretending to be the Jathedar of the Akal Takht we will never stop such beadbi happening. To date he has failed to summon anyone to the Akal Takht for beadbi in the UK. If he doe snot want to summon people he should give up the job gets some chanjra and become a hijra. If he wants to remain Jathedr he should get off his backside and at least make an effort to summon people to the Akal Takht for punishment. He comes to the UK on secret visits and is usually hosted by the Soho Road Wale. Why do they hide his visits and not take the lead in making him aware of the beadbi issue ?

Missusing your faith to make money is common with the 3HO lot. Next the dimwits will launch Golden Temple condo-ms and Golden Temple branded viagra. These leaches need to be told where they can stick their products.

Thinking about it we have no such products in the UK, I may start buying pallets of baked beans from netto at 7 or 8p a can putting a Golden Temple label on them and flogging them for 30p a can. I will then expand into butter, Hemkunt shower gel, Kesh Shampoo, Hemkunt Drinking Water etc etc

Sri Satguru Ram Singh Ji Sahai (12th)

First of all you people are entitled to your opinons of the video of youtube which I myself put of Guru Jagjit Singh Ji and have decided to remove it because you are just sinning. It does not give you the right to do Nindaya according to Gurbani if you are true gursikhs.

If Namdhari religion seems so fake to you people, then where were you during the time of British invasion? Oh I forgot, the Singh Sabha movement were the slaves of the British. They were also licking their boots clean as well. I give two thumbs up for the singh sabha movement because they do a really good job of licking someones boot clean. Your ancestors were part of that movment which even you cannot deny.

I really cannot call you the gursikhs of Guru Gobind Singh Ji because you believe in Guru Granth Sahib as the Guru. If that is the case, I suggest you call yourself the Sikhs of Guru Granth Sahib not Guru Gobind Singh Ji. I myself consider the Sikh of Guru Ram Singh Ji, because he still exists in this world.

My last question to all of you is, If Guru Jagjit Singh Ji is a fake Guru, then why the hell could your movement or so called Sikhi not stop Guru Jagjit Singh Ji? If you cannot answer this question, I will answer it on your behalf. The reason is, you people are true cowards who talk behind other peoples back and not have the courage to say anything front of their face.

Please give us a few more videos like one of your baba ji in his fancy imported car, whilst you are at it post us details of the Notingham incident when abuse of children by a certain someone prompted namdharis to renounce the namdhari faith and rejoin the Khalsa Panth.

>>If Namdhari religion seems so fake to you people, then where were you during the time of British invasion? Oh I forgot, the Singh Sabha movement were the slaves of the British

Where was your "Guru" when the Harimandir Sahib was attacked in 1984 ? Where was he when the Indian state was killing scores of Sikhs every day in Punjab ? Where was he when thousands were murdered during the 84 riots. Ups I forgot your "Guru" enjoys links with the Congress party and has done for a long time. I tell you what if your "Guru" is true get him to perform a miracle such as bringing a dead person back to life. Baba Atal Rai Ji was able to perform such a miracle so I guess your "Guru" should have no problems. Please post the video of the miracle.

ahahaha their "great guru" is in a wheel chair

and its funny that hes in a wheel chair?!

what can you expect from fanatic gangsters sikh youths of today?

making fun of wheel chair man- <admin-cut>!!!!!!!

moderators warn this guy hes swearing on a forum which can be accesable to young people ,yh gd hes in a wheel chair hg i say thts what he desrves the fake old dog

ahahaha their "great guru" is in a wheel chair

and its funny that hes in a wheel chair?!

what can you expect from fanatic gangsters sikh youths of today?

making fun of wheel chair man- <admin-cut>!!!!!!!

moderators warn this guy hes swearing on a forum which can be accesable to young people ,yh gd hes in a wheel chair gd i say thts what he desrves the fake old dog

Not the first time he has used such language on this forum. For some reason admin are reluctant to moderate or ban him. I wonder why ? Is he related to one of the mods ?

ahahaha their "great guru" is in a wheel chair

and its funny that hes in a wheel chair?!

what can you expect from fanatic gangsters sikh youths of today?

making fun of wheel chair man- <admin-cut>!!!!!!!

What you say is what you are. <admin-cut>.

At least these naraqtharis are easy to identify. The real people we have to watch for are those like nob-star who will defend rapist "baba" etc as he aspires to be like them. Such people are the real <admin-cut>.

VJKK VJKF

HULK U joka! this is base don pure facts, documents of forgery, he ad adult content in his laptop and stuff! and other things which were disgusting, we aint fishing it out liek chugliya, pics have been put up so peoplE r aware of who it is, so they dnt do this in other gurdwareh around britain or in the world! so we aint doing now nindia chugliya reh reh! and its all good!!

stay in chardi kala!

VJKK VJKF

Por-n ? Dirty old hara"i. One thing though this is quite usual especially for the odd bods who come here from India. Loads of them giani and kirtan crews have dodgy video files on their mobiles.

One important thing for Aman Jee and Bass Singh. If this as$hole has been doing the old sponsorship/visa scam then I suggest that you guys report him. Please check your PM as I have sent you an email contact I have so you can report this to the relevant person at the British High Commission in India. The last thing we want is a Canada type media witch hunt (like when they got them dodgy panj piare in 1999) giving the Khalsa Panth a bad name because a few idiots have got letterheads etc. Remember you will be doing sewa for the panth by reporting this mans activities.

We all have deep down respect for these two Gurmukhs who have gone down in Sikh history. The same cannot be said of Dhuma, the man is power crazy. Lets see him and his coetrie of Rode and Mokham follow the example of previous jathedar of the Taksal. These people do not have the bottle to do anything.

The fact that rode and mokham are still running the "show" for Dhuma really is a sad state of affairs. It is rather like the Dogra brothers who were alowed to dominate the affairs of the LAhore state. Rode is a known GOI agent, mokham is an RSS sympathiser and we all know his stance on our brother Prof Bhullar who is facing a death sentance.

This whole story shows how Dhuma was only interested in providing langar so he could grab the stage, he had no interest in doing sewa. His sole intention was hogging the limelight on stage. It is like the big Dhuma conference ealier this year. What exactly was achieved. What exactly has the Durbar-e-Khalsa they announced (to be headed by GOI agent Rode) actually done since its inception. Dhuma is a disgrace to the glory of the previous DDT Jathedar. I just wish Baba Jarnail Singh Ji was not Shaheed, he would soon put Dhuma, Rode and Mokham in their places.

Stop doing nindya guys. Maybe the guy has a identical twin brother who is into manmat activities.

Kurtas check this 4 a nindia!!

THE BABAS A <banned word filter activated>!

Please do not say such things. It is cruel to talk about a Brahmgiani Sant 108 like that. Gurbani tells us not to do nindya of Sants.

Obviously Dhan Sant Baba Harnek Singh Ji Mahraj 108 fits into the definition of a Sikh. He has never been caught drinking and driving, never had bother over money, never married someone young enough to be his daughter, never danced like a bollywood dancer during a supposed Nagar Kirtan.

Bass Singh Ji, if you do not stop doing beadbi of Sant Baba Harnek Singh Ji Mahraj you will get punished. You will forever have to listen to the hiss of treble from Goodmans speakers made in China.

Media Sewa is a Phoola nut-hugger. He is the type of person who shares the passions of na-ng phoola such as raping women, keeping prostitutes in Guru Ghar complexes (like Massa Ranghar did), keeping and drinking bottles of whiskey in a Gurdwara complex.

Please ignore him. He is here to seek attention. Let him carry on posting his rubbish. We all know the good Col Sandhu Ji has done and will continue to back him 100%. Frankly I could not care if he had brothers of the muslim faith living in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia or even on the moon. He should be judged by his actions not on him having brothers of another faith.

The phoola na-ngs and the other exposed "baba" nut-huggers can hold as many press conferences they like, no one who is panthic is going to take them seriously.

Please guys bear in mind this baba Ji is a Sant so please do not do any NINDYA. He is a very kewl baba ji, he is bit of a party animal who loves to boogie to the latest tunes during his annual birthday bash.

Time Vedanti got his finger out and sorted this out. The perks that Badal and his party enjoy from golak funds is huge. The langar issue is just one of these perks. Petrol and diesel for badal badmash comes out of the same golak, whilst genuine visitors to Gurdwara are denied a bed in the serai, badals rent a mob have huge blocks of the serai to themselves.

To cap things off the same badal who likes to play the Sikh card when he is out of power has been getting funding from tobacco companies.

without dhaya u dont get dharam, himmat, mokham or sahib

dhaya (humbleness) is the first step to everything in sikhi and i dont see any of that here!

u need to see my point and not see me trying to criticise!

dont get me rong - there are sum wanabee sants out there that do abuse the name "sant" but there are sum out there that do so much for the panth but everyone puts them in the same category and tries there upmost to tarnish thier names! - which is so sad!

It might help things if the "real" Sant started to boot the fake ones out the Sant Samaj. Then they could fix a meeting with the almighty and sort out differences they all have amongst themselves over the Rehat Maryada. They could also ask if it was ok for them to use the prefix Sant in light of the context it was used by our Guru Ji. Whilst they are at it maybe they could ask the almighty why the Sant title was never used prior to the 20th century torefer to any person.

They could then rename all the dera to Gurdwara.....I doubt we will see any of this and I doubt we will see eye to eye. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji would enforce the Hukumnama of te Akal Takht, Ranjit Singh recently performed at Guru Ghar in the UK which violate the party hall sandesh. Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji would have been more interested in enforcing the sandesh rather than being focussed on doing as many programs in a day as possible.

In fact, when Baba Ranjit Singh came UK last year, he mentioned in front of the Sangat when we went that he would not go against the Hukam from Akal Takht and would not perform at any Gurdwara's with tables/chairs.

And when Baba Ranjat Singh Ji came UK recently, various programs at different Gurdwara's including our local Gurdwara were cancelled due to the fact that langar was not in pangat but on chairs/tables. Why they were booked in the first place is a different matter but he upheld what he said.

Did not stop him performing at Gurdwara with party halls this year !

Why the differentiation between the two evils ? Both are wrong but ask most people and they will agree that using Guru Jis golak money for party halls is the worse evil out the two.

Please do not mention him in the same breath as Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji. Baba Ji gave qurbani for the panth. Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji did not spend crores on building a fancy dera. Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji did not ever stop anyone taping his programs (compare this to Ranjit Singh Ji who is tied to a t-series contract, try to tape a program in India and see how his chele enforce the t-series contract),

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Baba Ranjit Singh does not compare himself to Sant Jarnail Singh. At FatehGarh Sahib, in the Vishav Sikh Samelan, Baba Ranjit Singh said clearly on stage that we cannot be and are not like Sant Jarnail Singh. But, this does not mean that we should not do Kamaiye and Naam Bani to try and emulate the "Guns" that he has. After all, Sant Jarnail Singh gained his Guns through Bhagtee. If every GurSikh does Bhagtee, then we all will gain those Guns.

My Veer at the top did not say that Baba Ranjit Singh is like Sant Jarnail Singh, but in his eyes, he saw Baba Ranjit Singh emulate one of the Guns that Sant Jarnail Singh Jee has.

The Dera is for the benefit of Sangat to accommodate the hundreds of thousands of Sangat that go to Gurudwara Parmeshar Dwar at every Sangraand.

No-one stops recordings at his Diwans. I was recording a Diwan in India right next to the T-Series guys. No-one said anything to me, and his "Chele" were only a few yards from me. :T: :TH:

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Waheguroo

Read what he wrote and stop getting into semantics to justify mentioning Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji with Ranjit Singh.

Please visit a few more diwans next time you are in India and you will see his chele stopping people taping his programs.

I am sure the sangat could go to numerous local Gurdwara rather than to a dera on sangrand.

these nindaks just never stop!!!

FACT - certain mahapursh/sants in this day and age have inspired thousands to take amrit

FACT - every person who posts on this site and every other site for that matter put together CANNOT match that

Taking that into account - WHO THE HELL IS ANYONE TO SAY ANYTHING TO THEM!

WHERES THE NIMRATA, WHERES THE LOVE OF OUR SO CALLED GURSIKHS OF TODAY!??

it just realy amazes me, if someone inspires so many to take guru maharajs amrit they should be respected by humble gursikhs not disrespected by egotistic "so called" gursikhs (who go all out to tarnish their names)

dont these people realise what they're doing to their own jeevans!!

These "dera" wale nut-huggers never stop. Their "Sant" (Dhanwant the dirty dog) baba rapes a small girl, hey who are we to question the rape of a child, as the man is a self titled sant who has inspired thousands to take amrit. Go get alife. I do not give two hoots about your twisted use of the word nindya. It is people like you who hug the like of Nan-g Phoola and deny the crimes he committed. "Sant" Jagera of Ludhiana rapes a woman, but hey we cannot question that. They are all "Sant" they are entitled to loot, rape and take advantage of gullible people.

Get off your high horse and lose the krodh.

sangat jeeo, Babaji recently came to Malton Gurughar where i attended all of his diwans. Before I used to be one of those losers who would just do nindhiya of Babaji, but after meeting him and listening to his diwans I realized this guy is one of the most blessed guys out there right now. He did amrit sanchar during the last diwan and almost 600 people took amrit, where most of those people were cut hair. On top of that, there wasn't enough room for the next 500 who wanted to take amrit so he's coming back on october 6th, where they will do another amrit sanchar.

He actually sed during his diwan that whenever anyone looks at you they will look at your avguns and not your guns. He said the reason he doesnt come to canada alot is because too many people talk smack, whereas people in india don't waste time doing that, but intsead just listen and see for themselves. He sed that the video that was made about his birthday was false. He sed he did not tell people to matha tek him but if they do what can he do about it when there is so many sangataan. he sed the video showed everyone putting hars on him, but they didn't show when i took them off and gave the hars back. he sed he did not want the maya but when the sangat wants to do it for their own enjoyment, he lets them, but never keeps the maya. he sed he always took it off and gave it back to them. the reason he keeps looking away in the video from people matha teking him is not haunkar but because he did not want it to happen, if u look at the video again u can notice he is kinda ticked at everyone matha teking him, which is why he keeps looking away and talking to people

me and my dad were very blessed to have actually spent good time with babaji and he is a GREAT guy and a very blessed mahapursh. he's just really funny cause u wuldnt expect a mahapursh to be as short as him lol, he's like 5'6 and he's so cute, he has to like climb on his bed and like the sofa n stuff.. its so wicked. anways back to the point lol, my dad actually picked him up from the airport when he arrived and he sed that some bibi came and actually went straight for his feet when she saw him and matha took him, but he just changed his direction and walked away so she was matha teking nothing and so she wuldnt matha tek him. actually i've seen a video where Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale Mahapursh did the exact same thing.

in conclusion i hope this helps people see the truth about him. if it doesnt i suggest u read sukhmani sahib where it tells us not to do nindiya of sants. I mean seriously, who are we moorakhs to judge if someone is a sant or not, just know that we or at least i am no where close..

anyways srry any mistakes i've made Bhul Chuk Maaf

WaheGuru Ji Ka Khalsa WaheGuru Ji Ki Fateh

Please do not mention him in the same breath as Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji. Baba Ji gave qurbani for the panth. Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji did not spend crores on building a fancy dera. Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji did not ever stop anyone taping his programs (compare this to Ranjit Singh Ji who is tied to a t-series contract, try to tape a program in India and see how his chele enforce the t-series contract), Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji would enforce the Hukumnama of te Akal Takht, Ranjit Singh recently performed at Guru Ghar in the UK which violate the party hall sandesh. Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji would have been more interested in enforcing the sandesh rather than being focussed on doing as many programs in a day as possible. If he is serious about not being in it for the money ask him to empty the charawa he gets into Guru Jis golak before he leaves a program. Baba Isher Singh Ji did this on more than one occassion.

However those things aside I have noticed one thing about Ranjit Singh Ji, he does to satkar of Guru Mahraj. I have seen countless so called Sant who as soon as they have finished a pogram rush away not even bothering with the ardas or langar. Ranjit Singh Ji does wait with respect. Other 108 wale could learn a few things from him. I have even seen someone who is a self titled sant and active against beadbi, rush off (multiple times) without having the level of satkar that Ranjit Singh Ji shows.

He can say what he wants to about the birthday bash. He has admitted it was a mistake. You only admit mistakes if you have done wrong. Most of us have seen it and he makes no attempt to walk away from the bash.

I am having trouble finding the words to express how sorry I am to hear this news, my prayers, thoughts, tears and heart, go out to the family of these Gursikhs. Love and condolences to all the families concerned.

Sad loss for the Sikh panth. These 3 Gursikhs were gems who would go out their way to help others and do sewa for the panth.

who is phoola?

A genuine na-ng. He is a criminal who murdered people etc. He used to rape women in his dera complex. He kept alcohol and freely consumed it in his dera complex. He had links to the police and carried out many murders on their behalf.

Col. Sandhu took him on and phoola na-ng is now in jail awaiting trial.

Col. Sandhu has also started a campaign other dera wale accused of rape/molesting women etc etc.

These dera wale who teach others not to do nindya are now doing the very same thing against Col. Sandhu. Good thing is that no one is listening to these dera wale apart from their nut-huggers.

This is an excellent piece of journalism or should I say story planting by a few of those he has exposed. It is obvious that people want to malign his reputation. Sad thing is the only thing they can come up with is that he has brother(s) in Pakistan. It is a case of 2+2= 420.

We all know the people he has exposed are financially very well off. They organised a press conference, gave the journalist good food and drink and got a story published. The Baba brigade who organised the press leak/conference should know better. How many times have we heard them telling us slander is wrong (and miss- using Sukhmani Sahib and pretending it was written for their dhan dhan dera wale).

Col. Sandhu has never denied having brothers in Pakistan. There are thousands of people who were left with brothers and sisters in Pakistan at the time of partition. Does that make them ISI agents ?

Anyway when someone starts accusing you of being an ISI agent you should see it as a sure sign of the person doing good for the Panth. Look at other people who were accussed of being Pak agents, Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji, Shaheed Baba GS Manochal and countless other Panthic sewadaar have been accussed of being ISI agents. Just shows how lame these dera spin doctors are that they have to malign others by making them out to be anti Indian, are they suggesting their dera wale are pro India (the same India where 22 years on we are still waiting for politicians to be charged and bought to book for the 84 riots).

This is nothing new for self titled Ramgharias. They spit on the name of Sardar Jassa Singh Ramgharia every day. There are some real scums who use the name of Sardar Jassa Singh Ji for their dirty party halls. The real sad thing is they think it is OK to use the name of a Sikh warrior for their party halls. As they say Sharam da katta. I think these guys have no sharam at all.

Guys could it be that they milk badam in those aluminium kegs ? .... I gues not but just thinking of the excuses these lame idiots will come up with.

Would it not be an idea to get our own house in order before preaching to others.

What has the Sikh Quam done to preserve our Guru Ji from the 17th century ?

So called "Sant" Fateh Su (the same one who went on umpteen fasts to death which he always broke by tea time) got consigned to flames countless historical saroop of Guru Ji (even though they got easily have been conserved/repaired). Do we jump in a fire if we get a deep cut on our arm or leg ? No we go see an expert and get it stitched together.

In recent times the SGPC have been undertaking systamatic abuse of our Guru Ji at Kiratpur Sahib. If you are ever in India visit one of the various Gurdwara where Guru Ji are taken for cremation and see how the ang of Guru Ji are torn and people walk all over them in dirty bare feet. Again numerous historical Guru Granth Sahib Ji have been lost due to the illeterates employed to do this "work" by the SGPC.

Once we have got all this in order we will be able to tell others how Guru Ji should be treated.

I applaud the efforts of the BL in preserving our heritage. Just remember how our heritage was destroyed during bluestar due the the apathy of the SGPC (and most of the Sikh quam) to keeping our rare manuscripts, old hukumnama and most importantly saroop of Guru Ji in proper safe rooms. Where were the fireproof cliamte controlled rooms etc etc ? Even today the SGPC has done nothing to correct this.

We all now how the old gold plates from the Harimandir Sahib are stored. In a store room with address labels stuck to them.

Its all coming out very slowly. The whole Dear Baba Jagtar Singh setup is corrupt to the core. Their sole intention is to wipe away sikh history through their so called kar sewa more like kar destruction. Jagtar is no better, he is an illeterate bufoon who loves cement. They have been running scams for years. They openly sell cement meant for kar sewa (bought at subsidised rates) to builders. These dirty corrupt pucca nangs need good shithar.

Looks like gold was not only being used for fancy palkis but to adorn the kanjri that Amrik Singh was sleeping with. Amrik Singh was a totally crass person with lots of dirty habbits. It is an open secret about how when in Pakistan to do so called sewa he would visit Hira Mandi to procure prostitutes.

Another case registered against absconding ‘baba’

Varinder Walia & Chander Parkash

Tribune News Service

Amritsar/Patiala, September 8

The absconding baba of Kar Seva Wale, Amrik Singh, got into more trouble today when the Patiala police found documents pertaining to the purchase of prime land in parts of Punjab and bank accounts in the name of the culprits.

He fled from the Dera Baba Jagtar Singh at Tarn Taran and went underground on July 8 after allegedly embezzling donations worth crores.

The FIR revealed that the absconding baba belonged to a poor family.

The alleged culprit had supervised kar seva of the holy tank at the Golden Temple, gold plating of the Darbar Sahib, Tarn Taran, and work on Sikh shrines in Pakistan.

He had collected huge donations and was kept under captivity for days at the dera, but he fled on the pretext of buying medicines from Amritsar.

The Patiala police registered a fresh case against the absconding baba on the intervention of the Director-General of Police yesterday, when Gurmit Singh submitted more documents pertaining to the purchase of land.

According to the FIR, Amrik Singh had accounts in the Centurion Bank of Punjab at Patiala.

A perusal of the bank statements of this account revealed the manner in which Amrik Singh, Guriqbal Singh and Amandip Singh used to embezzle funds.

Amrik Singh had purchased 27 kanal and five marla of land at a village near Bahadurgarh.

Amrik Singh, Mukhtar Singh, Mukhtar’s wife Harjit Kaur, Mukhtar’s son Amandip Singh, Mukhtar’s daughter Kanwaljit Kaur, Harmohinder Singh, Guriqbal Singh, alias Rinku, and Dharmjit Singh were booked.

The FIR alleged that Amrik Singh had illicit relations with a resident of Bakshiwala.

It was alleged that Amrik Singh had given one kg-and-a-half of gold and a mobile phone to Kanwaljit Kaur.

Another FIR was lodged against supporters of Amrik Singh at Kum Kalan in Ludhiana on behalf of Kuldip Singh, a former driver of the baba.

In the FIR, Kuldip Singh alleged that he and other followers of Jagtar Singh were beaten up by supporters of the absconding baba.

Amrik Singh had secured a multiple visa for Pakistan to carry out kar seva at Sikh shrines in Pakistan.

Amrik Singh, 38 years of age, had joined the dera of Jagtar Singh at the age of 17 years.

He had visited many developed countries, including the USA, to collect donations.

Longowal was one of the biggest traitors the panth has seen. He was a power hungry politician who titled himself as Sant Longowal. He was far from a Sant. He took an oath to defend the Darbar Sahib if it was attacked. What happened during Bluestar is well known. Tohra, Longowal and others like Balwant Ramoowalia surrendered like cowards. Tohra and Longowals location was communicated to the army and they whilst our brothers and sisters were being mowed down by automatic fire from the army and young children crying for water these dirty animals sat in an office consuming campa cola and eating the finest barfi. After they were caught they were put up in luxury government rest houses.

We should not forget what this traitor did. We should celebrate the Shaheedi of Bhasi Sahib Halminder Singh Leel and confer honours on Bhai Sahib Gian Singh Leel who served time in prison for getting rid of the dirty Longowal.

I fail to see why admin have locked the thread.

I was just checking my list of UK Gurdwara with party halls. It appears that one of the first programmes (9:30pm on 01/09/06) of Bhai Sahib Mann Singh Ji is at one such Gurdwara. Can theworldof Guru Nanak Dev Ji ask Bhai Sahib to tell the management committee to follow the recent statement released by the Akal Takht (about NOT using Gurdwara funds for manmat activities).

People like Bhai Sahib can play an important role in clearing up the gand that is being financed by money from the golak of Guru Ji.