pastachef

I agree with that Sikhs need a country to call their own however I do not think we have the leadership to manage a country yet. Having said all that, Sarabjeet here is another way of looking at it:

I know Indian govt and Hindus are not innocent either , but there is no scope of peacefully getting back sikh homeland back from GOI . Hindus won't allow that to happen !

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Have you realised how many sikh women could become raped and widowed ? how many kids orphans and how many sikh youth will die , just because of some stupid step of sikhs in canada and UK ?

You say Sikhs will face:

1) Death2) Rape3) Prison4) Killing of Youth

and you say that Sikhs are ok in India? Don't you want a country where you could be free to express your opinion and not face the above 4 options?

People got past 1984 which is why half of Punjab youth has been wiped out since then. Do you think if Sikhs in India were getting murdered, then Sikhs in the UK, Canada etc will sit quietly?

All of us are fools, we ourself are not following our Guru.

Guru ji says:

mUrKY nwil n luJIAY ]19]

moorakhai naal n lujheeai ||19||

Don't argue with fools. ||19||

And we have spent hours arguing with Sukhdev.

This Shabad is by Guru Nanak Dev Ji in Raag Maajh on Pannaa 143

mÚ 1 sloku ]

ma 1 salok ||

First Mehla, Salok:

mCI qwrU ikAw kry pMKI ikAw Awkwsu ]

mashhee thaaroo kiaa karae pa(n)khee kiaa aakaas ||

What can deep water do to a fish? What can the vast sky do to a bird?

pQr pwlw ikAw kry Kusry ikAw Gr vwsu ]

pathhar paalaa kiaa karae khusarae kiaa ghar vaas ||

What can cold do to a stone? What is married life to a eunuch?

kuqy cMdnu lweIAY BI so kuqI Dwqu ]

kuthae cha(n)dhan laaeeai bhee so kuthee dhhaath ||

You may apply sandalwood oil to a dog, but he will still be a dog.

bolw jy smJweIAY pVIAih isMimRiq pwT ]

bolaa jae samajhaaeeai parreeahi si(n)mrith paat(h) ||

You may try to teach a deaf person by reading the Simritees to him, but how will he learn?

AMDw cwnix rKIAY dIvy blih pcws ]

a(n)dhhaa chaanan rakheeai dheevae balehi pachaas ||

You may place a light before a blind man and burn fifty lamps, but how will he see?

cauxy suienw pweIAY cuix cuix KwvY Gwsu ]

chounae sueinaa paaeeai chun chun khaavai ghaas ||

You may place gold before a herd of cattle, but they will pick out the grass to eat.

lohw mwrix pweIAY FhY n hoie kpws ]

lohaa maaran paaeeai dtehai n hoe kapaas ||

You may add flux to iron and melt it, but it will not become soft like cotton.

nwnk mUrK eyih gux boly sdw ivxwsu ]1]

naanak moorakh eaehi gun bolae sadhaa vinaas ||1||

O Nanak, this is the nature of a fool-everything he speaks is useless and wasted. ||1||

haha, you been proven wrong and you are now resorting to cheap shots.

3) Is the income generated from the hall honest , when the hall is hosting alcohol and meat parties?

I ask you pasta chef, are the donations made to the Gurdwara earned honestly?

Many donations come from people who sell alcohol and tobacco or divert tax money etc

Your logic would imply we must screen all donations!

Your question is totally invalid because the context are different. People can donate 1 million pounds but Guru ji will not accept. This has been shown by our Gurus with countless examples (bhai lallo sakhi). What you are saying is that It is perfectly acceptable to use Guru Ghar and the donations to start up dishonest business, business which actually goes against the teachings of sikhi.

The funny thing is that in most situations the Guru ghars don't even need the extra income.

I do to my Gurdwara's Sangat not some internet Sikh's calling themselves "UK Sangat"and how can you be a legitimate sangat without a Gurdwara!.

That has to be the most stupidest comment ever, majority of the people who post here belong to a gurdwara. As for can someone from another town be classed as sangat of your gurdwara or not well, Guru Arjan Dev ji actually did seva of sangat who was visiting from kabul. So by your definition they werent sangat because they were not local.

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Sukhdev Singh Ji you have posted the same message about 5 times which we have had to delete, please don't just copy the same post again and again.

I thought they were all slightly different?

Are you moderating or taking sides?

Dirty music ?

Are you being a Sikh or taking sides? Take the side of your Guru for once.