harsharan000

You are the devil personified. I have met some bad and mad people, who hasn´t? But you are the champion among them all. And above all a big liar. As it is said, do not discuss with a stupid man, he will drag you down towards him, and win you by experience. You are this type of being, with whom one should not discuss. Only an evil person like you can say that, Guru Arjun Dev and the rest of Guru Sahibans are not Wahiguru in human form. When we say He Himself, sings His mahima, (you mad man), it means Guru Arjun Dev is saying so. I do not know what are Guru Sahibans for you, but for me, they are Wahiguru in human form. Do not confuse people, it is you who is out of senses, and because of your ego, you go to the extent that, you twist the words...and go against Gurmat, the very teachings of our Guru Sahibans ਸਾਸ ਸਾਸ ਤੇਰੇ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਵਾ ਓਟ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਚਰਣਾ ਜੀਉ Saas Saas Thaerae Gun Gaavaa Outt Naanak Gur Charanaa Jeeo सास सास तेरे गुण गावा ओट नानक गुर चरणा जीउ I sing Your Glorious Praises with each and every breath. Nanak takes the Support of the Guru's Feet. Guru Dev is saying: I sing your praises with each and every breath ..... Are you that blind that you do not see what Guru Jee is saying, of course you are blind, and you as blind, you want to guide others, you are already condemmed, and you will drag down all the innocent who believe you, with your lies... Of course you are a devil, you deny the words of our Guru Sahibans.... and go against them. You want to put your ego, your hankar before the very Guru Sahibans.... Shame on you ...shameless fellow. Tomorrow I may be here on this forum or not, that is not the problem. But the problem is if you are to continue here, because you will fill the minds and hearts of the Sangat with your poison and ignorance. You think you are very intelligent, but you are most useless chap I have seen ...and above all, a very big liar. But still, may God bless. P.S: I am harsharan000. Means I am zero at all the 3 levels, but inspite of that,I have taken refuge at the Lotus feet of Har. That is why, it becomes harsharan000. I have His protection. Do you get it, evil man? I doubt you understand it. How come will you? You are full of eviilness. If you open any of your 9 holes, only mal will come out. Because your whole being is full with it. May Wahiguru protect the sangat from your evil influences...

As usual, there are 2 attitudes or choices to face situations. One is to be negative and deny reality, the other is to be positive and accept reality and facts, in one word the Truth. And moreover not our human truths which are all conditional, and may vary from diffrent angles, or levels of consciousnesses. But the Truth, the Bani, uttered by our vey Guru Sahibans, in the Sree Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj, is unchangeable throughout the ages... So here we may be like bats and close our eyes and deny the teachings of Gurmat, and see what we want to see, and hear what we want, due to our ego, our arrogance .... but the unchangeable reality is still there. Each ang of Guru Jee, is nothing but a small fraction of His ustatee or infinite mahima, just like Him, Himself. Wahiguru is Nirankar, and so, through His ustatee, His mahima, we get purified, in order to be inmaculate enough to merge in Him. Some say, that it is by His simran, or Nam Simran, that we can realize Him. But, does not the Bani say: Prabh ka Simran, Har gun Bani. Means, by doing His simran, we sing His praises. And all other praises, are means to this type of His praise, which is His simran. And so, Sachay Patshah Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj, in the following lines in Raag Maajh, gives us the summary of both of these type of mahima or praises: ਸਾਸ ਸਾਸ ਤੇਰੇ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਵਾ ਓਟ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਚਰਣਾ ਜੀਉ Saas Saas Thaerae Gun Gaavaa Outt Naanak Gur Charanaa Jeeo सास सास तेरे गुण गावा ओट नानक गुर चरणा जीउ I sing Your Glorious Praises with each and every breath. Nanak takes the Support of the Guru's Feet. ਸਿਫਤਿ ਸਾਲਾਹਣੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਰਜਾਈ Sifath Saalaahan Thaeraa Hukam Rajaaee सिफति सालाहणु तेरा हुकमु रजाई To praise You is to follow Your Command and Your Will. Now from both the above lines. Guru Jee, is telling us, that not only it is not impossible to sing His mahima, but actually He himself does so, with each and every breath; and moreover, doing His sifath saalaaahan, singing His mahima, is His command and His will. And we all know, nobody can go against His will or Hukum, if anybody dares to do so, he will go directly to hell, because, that would be denying Him. So let us be humble and pure, that we may also like Guru Jee, sing His mahima or glory with each breath. And moreover His mahima, is not any prose or verse made by any man, but it is the very Bani, the very mahima, uttered by our Guru Sahibans. And it is through our pure paviter Guru Sahibans that we can know anything about Him, otherwise we are all blind and heavily stained. So all the greatness, the mahima, is only of Wahiguru, of our Guru Sahibans, and Nam. Sat Sree Akal Jee.

The "dait", the moorakh, the agyanee, the hankaree, the liar, the shameless..... does not know anything of Mahima of Wahiguru. He constantly denies it, becuase His mind and heart are full of "mal". So not only he avoids paying attention to it, but also pollutes the minds and souls of the weak, of the inmature; trys to act smart and provoke disharmony. Inspite of being warned and ignored, like a mad dog he keeps on barking and inviting trouble for himself, so the best remedy is to leave that dog alone, unless nature finds a solution for him, or a veterinary municipal officer comes and lock him up, in a locker for the mad dogs. he goes to the extent that, if any quotation is taken from the Bani of our very Guru Sahibans, who sing His glory, His Mahima... he says that it is dictionary teacher ..... shame, shame, shame, It is true as somebody told him, that he had exceeded all logic and common sense, even his " supporter" left him .... But nevertheless, inspite of all the evilness from some of these daits, if anything is worthy being done in this world, that is singing His Mahima, His wadeeayee, His greatness... from the Bani left by our Guru Sahibans, who are His very embodiment, and through them we are able today to listen and sing His Mahima. Following are some few words of Sachay Patshah Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj, where He confirms that His Mahima can be sung and heard, if He wants, not otherwise. Raag Gauree, Sukhmani Sahib: ਆਪਿ ਜਪਾਏ ਜਪੈ ਸੋ ਨਾਉ Aap Japaaeae Japai So Naao आपि जपाए जपै सो नाउ Those, whom He inspires to chant, chant His Name. ਆਪਿ ਗਾਵਾਏ ਸੁ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਨ ਗਾਉ Aap Gaavaaeae, So Har Gun Gaao आपि गावाए सु हरि गुन गाउ Those, whom He inspires to sing, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord Wah Wah Saachay Patshah Dhan Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj

kali-aan mehlaa 4 Kalyaan, Fourth Mehl Following are some words of our Fourth Patsahee in Raag Kalyan, where He describes clearly in a simple manner, what happens if one sings His glory: Har jan gun gaavat hasi-aa. The humble servant of the Lord sings the Lord's Praise, and blossoms forth. He says, that by singing His glory, one blossoms forth, means, one becomes fit for His realization, and one achieves the objective of one´s life, which is to become one with Wahiguru Akal Purukh. Then continuing a bit further he says: Har Har Har keerat jag saaree ghas chandan jas ghasi-aa. The Praise of the Lord, Har, Har, Har, is Excellent and Sublime in this world. His Praise is the sandalwood paste which I rub. Here, the praise of the Lord, is as same as His Simran, and He refers to it as sandalwood paste, and the rubbing is, the doing the bhakti of Nam Simran. So just as when one applies the sandalwood paste on one´s body, that body is perfumed by its fragrance, so does that sikh get perfumed with the fragrance of Wahiguru´s virtues, when one engages oneself in His bhakti. And also, He points out the character of those who deny His glory, He calls them "dait" means evil, because just as soon they hear His Mahima or Glory, their whole being gets perturbed....so naturally, they think and speak evil only: kahaa bha-i-aa dait karee bakheelee sabh kar kar jhar pari-aa. What does it matter, if a demon speaks evil? By doing so, he only gets frustrated....and tries to vomit that frustration on all around him. But His servants, His devotees, who sing His Glory, are protected by Him at all times, as per the folowing line of our Guru Jee: Har jan Har Har Har Parabh raakhay, jan naanak saran pa-i-aa. The humble servants of the Lord are protected by the Lord God, Har, Har, Har; servant Nanak seeks His Sanctuary. * In this above shabad of Sree Guru Ram Das, we come to know one more virtue of His beant Mahima, which is, that He is Rakhanhaar(protector), of His devotees .... Sat Sree Akal.

ga-orhee chaytee Gauree Chaytee Har jas suneh na Har gun gaavahi. They do not listen to the Lord's Praises, and they do not sing the Lord's Glories, baatan hee asmaan giraaveh. but they try to bring down the sky with their talk. aisay logan si-o ki-aa kahee-ai. What can anyone say to such people? jo parabh kee-ay bhagat tay baahaj tin tay sadaa daraanay rahee-ai. You should always be careful around those whom God has excluded from His devotional worship. aap na deh churoo bhar paanee. They do not offer even a handful of water, tih nindeh jih gangaa aanee. while they slander the one who brought forth the Ganges. baithat uthat kutiltaa chaaleh. Sitting down or standing up, their ways are crooked and evil. aap ga-ay a-uran hoo ghaaleh. They ruin themselves, and then they ruin others. chhaad kuchrachaa aan na jaaneh. They know nothing except evil talk. barahmaa hoo ko kahi-o na maaneh. They would not even obey Brahma's orders. aap ga-ay a-uran hoo khoveh. They themselves are lost, and they mislead others as well. aag lagaa-ay mandar mai soveh. They set their own temple on fire, and then they fall asleep within it. avran hasat aap heh kaannay. They laugh at others, while they themselves are one-eyed. tin ka-o daykh kabeer lajaanay. Seeing them, Kabeer is embarrassed. In this beautiful shabad of Kabir Sahib, from Raag Gauree Chaytee, in the Granth Sahib Maharaj, apart from singing the Glory of the Supreme Lord (Wahiguru Akal Purukh) He is telling us something about, those who deny His praises and thus do not sing His Glory, because they say that, that is not possible. He says that we should be careful from them, because they know nothing of His bhakti, but rather with futile talk, want to reach His abode. Their mind is full of evil at all times, whether they are sitting down or standing up. Outer positions do not count, as it is the mind and hearts of them which are full of "mal".... They know nothing, except evil talk (slander and nonsense), thus they themselves are lost in agyanta, and they mislead others as well. They are (crooked) square headed, and shortsighted, for them, only they are right....they do not understand the depth of the teachings in Gurmat, but just swim on the surface....while the precious gems are found only by going deep into the ocean (within oneself), through the practice of bhakti, which is the very purpose of sikhee So in the eyes of saints and merciful people, these "special people" are to be pitied only, because what more adeversity can be upon them, who, as the starting of Kabeer Sahib´s this very shabad says:" Har jas suneh na Har gun gaavahi" ......they do not listen to His praises, and thus do not sing His glory neither ... *The fact is, we all are imperfect beings, as long as we are away from Him. But according to one of His countless virtues, He is known as Merciful, and the following line of Guru Jee, reminds us to take shelter at His holy Feet, so that He may accept us as we are, in order to cross the "bhavsagar" and reach Him. Kirapaa karahu dheen kae daathae, maeraa gun avagan n beechaarahu koee Have mercy on me, O Generous Giver, Lord of the meek; please do not consider my merits and demerits

In times of Christ, a prostitute was going to stoned by the crowd, and then Christ said, raise your arms and throw stones those who are free of sins .... that very moment they brought their arms down, all who were eager and ready to stone her.... The society in which we live, is the same today. Each and everyone is ready to judge and cut throats of others. One of Wahiguru´s name is also "Sad Bakshanhaar" .As long as you have life to breathe, He is ready to pardon you, just take His Name with love and devotion in your heart, so that He abides within us, and we no more ever come under the negative influence of the mind to fall so low. But on the contrary, be filled with His Light, and shine with His virtues of truthfulness, gyan and budh, so to say, to face any situation with courage and dignity, as long as we are in this phisycall frame. Sat Sree Akal

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ..... For me you and Balbir jee, with all respects live on the same mental floor. Try to learn to laugh man, do not be so rigid that you do not even know and understand a joke. All of us can shower you and Balbir Singh, with more hard nouns that you both use, but that then will not make any differences between you both, and the rest of us. So at least I am not going to reply any of your nonsenses anymore, there is no way! But both of you only deserve, sympathy and pity from the rest of us, cause your are already condemmed with your present mental condition. . There is a just one Babeh for me, and that is Baba Nanak, the Guru Sahibans, and the Guru Granth Sahib, so if you have any other polluted fantasies in your mind, better remove them. So we can not do anything but pity you, may God bless you Sat Sree Akal

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On singing His praises Raag Sarang Guru Arjan Dev ਰਵਣ ਗੁਣ ਗੋਪਾਲ ਕਰਤੇ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਸਚੁ ਜੋਇ Ravan Gun Gopaal Karathae Naanakaa Sach Joe रवण गुण गोपाल करते नानका सचु जोइ Chanting the Glorious Praises of the Creator, the Lord of the Universe - O Nanak, this is Truth. One is just left speechless, with the simple sweet words of Dhan Guru Sachay Patshah Arjun Dev Maharaj. So much depth, so much gyan, so much love, so much of blessings .... And we moorakhs are discussing on His infinite Glory? That is surely because we are not yet absorbed in His dhyan, otherwise, what difference does it make, about how and who sings His Glory....is it not me, you, he, she , we , they....are all His children? If He does not stop us from loving Him, why should we feel jealous, and quarrel with our brothers, when they only sing His Glory, out of their love and devotion for Him. Is He not the same Father mentioned by all of us? Whether we call Him: Wahiguru, Akal Purukh, Har, Hari, Gobind, Satnam ....or so many other names, mentioned in the Bani... Different names given to Him, by His Gurmukhs, or Guru sahibans, does not change His nature...He alone He is. So then why so much disharmony? Or is that by using these His names, we are referring to any other authority than Him? Let us leave aside all our egos and jealousies, our moorakhta down, and ignite real love and devotion in our hearts at His Lotus feet, with the help of the Bani. At least, I have no problem with anybody, because he/she/they and all, are also His very children just as I am, so then with whom to quarrel? And what for? There is no sense. If someone thinks he / she is a better lover and gyani than this das or even others on this web-forum, then real mubaarak to him, may he still go forward and flourish his mind with His love, even more... Waheguru Jee

ON THE SUPREME IMPORTANCE OF NAM Dhan Guru Sachay Patshah Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj, in His Bani from Raag Saarang, and the title of that Shabad is,Charnah Gobind maarag suhaavaa, tells us about the supreme importance of the Nam of Wahiguru in the following line: Sarab niDhaan Naam Har Har kai, jis karam likhi-aa, tin paavaa. All treasures are in the Name of the Lord, Har, Har; he alone obtains it, who has it written in his karma. Have we ever thought what are the treasures of Wahiguru? Well, His treasures are His infinite countless virtues. And He himself being the embodiment of those infinite virtues, makes Him infinitely beautiful(atee sundar), infinitely attractive (atee mann mohan), and we like bees get attracted to His scent of Nam, which emantes from Him. Once we taste His Amrit of Nam, all other tatses become tasteless.... So here Guru Jee, is telling us, Wahiguru Akal Purukh, is the fountain of all spiritual treasures, which are the cause of eternal bliss and true permanent happiness. But these fruits of Lord´s virtues, only that wadbhagee jeeva obtains it, on whom He himself has written it so on his forehead. Nobody can obtain it by himself, by any means. It is purely His "daat".

maajh mehlaa 5. Maajh, Fifth Mehl Shabad Title: SaaDhoo sang tareejai saagar katee-ai jam kee faasaa jee-o From the Shabad Title of Dhan Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj in Raag Maajh, some lines are been taken to draw the attention on the three pillars of Gurmat, which are coincidently also mentioned in the title of present thread. First of all, he says: man tan rataa raam pi-aaray. My mind and body are imbued with love for the Lord. Here, He is telling us, that in order to meet the Lord Wahiguru, we must fill our mind and body with love for Him alone, means, He should be our sole objective. When a mother holds her child in her arms, only the child exsits for her, she is absorbed in the pure selfless love, and beauty of her child, in such a way should be our love for Wahiguru Akal Purukh. We must bear in mind, that these Sant Janas, Gurmukhs, Guru Sahibans, they are already one with Wahiguru, but whatever they say or do, is for us humans, so that we may learn the art of pure love, and all that implies, in our relation with Wahiguru. Now, the question may arise, how to fill ourselves with Love for Him? For that purpose, He gives us the answer in the following lines: sarbas deejai apnaa vaaray. I sacrifice everything for Him. aath pahar govind gun gaa-ee-ai bisar na ko-ee saasaa jee-o. Twenty-four hours a day, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord of the Universe. Do not forget Him, for even one breath. In the first line above, He is telling us, what is the real meaning of sacrificing everything for Him. He is not tellings, to leave our jobs, or our responsibilities towards our family, neither to torture the body, neither stop eating or talking, as many may think. But it means to give priority to our relation with Him. Daily we should take some time from our 24 hours and meditate on Him, on doing His bandagee. This is what He wants; He wants our hearts, our minds, our souls.... our humility. This is what, pleases Him the most. What else ours do we have to offer Him? As already He has everything. He knows we are uncomplete, we are heavy sinners, we are uncapable of doing anything good, but He also knows, that without Himself washing us, we can never get cleansed by ourselves.... However the child maybe dirty, the mother never misses the chance to embrace her child to her chest. So is our heavenly Father Wahiguru Akal Purukh. When we invoke Him with devotion, He washes us, with the Amrit of His Nam. Our sins, our sanskaras, our blemishes, our weaknesses, even the "panj vikars" of kam krodh lobh moh and ahankar, can only be overcome by His Nam. This is what it means, when the Bani says: "Sarab rog ka aukhad Nam" Then in the second line above, He is teling us to sing His glory for all the 24 hours. Not to forget Him even during the inhaling / exhaling of a breath... Now what does the exactly mean? What is our Guru Sahiban telling us here? He is telling us that, the real singing of His Glory, is not reciting any scriptures(though that is very good also), for some hours, because, we can recite them for some hours, then what? We can not practically do that all the 24 hours. Then, what is it, that our Sachay Patshah, is telling us to do all the 24 hours non stop? Well, at other place the Bani says: "Prabh ka Simran, Har Gun Bani". Means, engaging ourselves in His Simran, is the real singing of His glory. And if we pay attention, this jugtee is practical, which we can do at all times and being at any places. In the end, to sing His Glory or do His Simran, is the same thing and has the same effects thus. We may complicate things with our twisted minds, but these Guru Sahibans are simple, and their teachings are also simple and universal. In some further lines, He says: saaDhoo sang tareejai saagar katee-ai jam kee faasaa jee-o. In the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, one crosses over the world-ocean, and the noose of death shall be cut away from the soul. This is the mahanta of Sadh kee Sangat, where we learn to love Him, where we leave behind our moorakhta, our agaynta. The Bani says: Har keea Katha, kahaneeya, Gur meet sunaiyaa. The secrets, the stories, the glory, of my beloved Lord Wahiguru, are made known to us, by His Gurmukhs, Gursikhs, Guru Sahibans ..... Going a step ahead, in the mahima and importance of His Gurmukhs, He tells us: pooran bhaag bha-ay jis paraanee. saaDhsang milay saarangpaanee. That mortal who is blessed by perfect destiny meets the Lord, the Sustainer of the Universe, in the Company of the Holy. Then is the following last line of this Shabad, he summarizes the teachings of Gurmat: naanak naam vasi-aa jis antar parvaan girsat udaasaa jee-o. O Nanak, if the Naam, the Name of the Lord, dwells within the mind, one is approved and accepted, whether he is a house-holder or a renunciate Here, He is telling us, that, if you meditate and establish His Nam in your chit, in your mind, with the Simran of His Nam, as said before, as much as possible, to the extent of all the 24 hours. We must bear in mind, any other thing apart from nam Simran, can have negative consequences, whether physically or mentally, but His Simran, as much as we may do, is never ever sufficient, there are no side effects, only countless benefits. And this Nam Simran, one can do it, whether one is married and being a householder, or even if one is leading a life of being single, or even a renunciate; it does not make any difference, because, He is within each one of us, and it is there we have to focus our attention, through the teachings of our Guru Sahibans, which is none other than His Simran. Waheguru Jee.

The purpose of the teachings of our Guru Sahibans, is to make us mature spiritually. Of course we start that process with a b c d e....but as we grow, we learn to make sentences, then there comes a time, that with sufficient hard work and deeper studies, until the day comes he himself becomes a scholar, and is capable of sharing his knowledge acquired, by teaching his fellow mankind. But then, someone enters in the scene and says, hey wait a minute, why are you saying and writing words and sentences, and misplacing the alpbabet taught by my kindergarten teacher, as they never said such things, which is, and must be in the same order,means: a b c d e f.... Now if we look, objectively this situation, the scholar and the mentally student are both right, none is wrong, because both have different consciouss levels, so naturally both are talking from their mental consciouss level. It depends much, on how much one wants to progress, and is ready for that maturity ,or even what destiny has kept for him, one just receives, what one has written in his/her destiny. So dear brother Balbir Jee, now that I know what is going in your mind, and understanding your problem, with my folded hands, I just ask for forgiveness, for all the wrong and hard words used against you, not because I am at fault, but because I do understand you. From my side, I do forgive you also, I do not hold any grudges against you, nor do I want any revenge. The same beloved Lord Wahiguru who is in all, in you, and in me, deserves not hatred, but forgiveness and humility, so with whom to get angry? We are moorakhs, if we do the contrary, so from my side, you may do or say anything against me, even continue slandering me, I will not raise a single word, but rather spend that time in His devotion. As brother Lucky said, life is too short, to be wasted in useless things, better to do His bandagee and love his creation as well. So you do what you like, but I will try to be worthy, to be in His presence, and for that, I will take the support of His Lotus Feet. Sat Sree Akal .

Why is it that I have to provide always? Why do you not provide where in the Granth Sahib is written, that the title of this thread, can not be written so? Just provide one line, as such, and I will not continue your game. And please do not say or write, let us think, why did they not say so.... that is speculation. The thing is not why did they never used those words as per your way of thinking, but if it is illegal, or it is a sin in writing so, and thus if it is not authorized by them in written somewhere, in their Bani. I do not need any answer as per your way of thinking, because that question does not ever arise in my mind like in yours, and it shall never ever will. Thanks for your blessings from God, and I pray the same for you, that He may answer you, as per why they did not say or write so. Because if He does not gives you that answer, nobody can ever do that for you. Only He knows, what was in their mind at that time, and if they did not write or say so, it must have been for some good reason, they know best. Who are we to question them and arise our voices: hey Guru Jee, I am arguing with someone, why didn´t you write those words, as I think it should be or not be....

Believe it, I do not have to answer any of your nonsense. I am not obliged. as long as you do not behave, with all your nonsense, that is how, you are going to be treated. Because that is the only language you know. Your are such shortsighted..... His Nam, means, the Nam of Wahiguru. Stupidity has no limits. You do not use your brain, though I wonder if you have it. Because not even copying and pasting can you get the gyan in your head, nor common sense, according to your thinking. If you see someone drinking , and you ask him what are you drinking,and if he tells you water, you will surely say;: you are lying, nowhere on the glass is written water, or if someone is eating bread, you will tell him, why there is no label written on your eatable, that you are eating bread. Come on man, God has given us brains, we should use them. Nam is his, because it is not your nor mine, They are His Gurmukhs, because, he choosed them, nobody can become Gurmukh without His will, and it is His mahima, because, He is an ocean of infinite virtues ..... And infinite starts with 1, then 2, then 3 and so on. Or is it because it is infinite you can not count even upto hundred.... Your corrupted stained mind has no limits. i am not to sacre no one, and I am surely not a son of a false preacher. Of course I am not like you, otherwise i could name also, not only your father, but even youir mother and all your relative....so be careful with your nonsense

Time after time, you keep on denying the reality of Mahima in the Bani, by diverting the attention of the Sangat to useless and baseless points, but which are your own delusions. But never mind, His Mahima is infinite, and that does not mean, that you can not sing His Glory....other thing is if one can ever finish singing His Mahima. These are 2 different things. Each and every time, you keep on twisting the meaning of the Bani, just because of your ego and jealousy mainly.... but never mind, His Mahima is so powerful, that it will sure one day enter your heart and your mind. Our sangat here is much more intelligent than what you take them to be, so do not try to be oversmart, do not play with the Bani with your own manmukh misinterpretations. There are infinte examples from the Bani, of His Mahima, His vadeeayee, His greatness, and as such, following are the words of Ninth Patshahee: ਗੁਨ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਗਾਇਓ ਨਹੀ ਜਨਮੁ ਅਕਾਰਥ ਕੀਨੁ Gun Gobindh Gaaeiou Nehee Janam Akaarathh Keen गुन गोबिंद गाइओ नही जनमु अकारथ कीनु If you do not sing the Praises of the Lord, your life is rendered useless. 60442 ਸਲੋਕ ਵਾਰਾਂ ਤੇ ਵਧੀਕ (ਮ: ੯) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੪੨੬ ਪੰ. ੧੦ Salok Guru Teg Bahadur Now on one side we have our Teg Bhadaur Maharaj, who says, if you do not sing the Glory of the Lord(Wahiguru), you have wasted your life. And on the other side you alone, are facing our Guru Sahibans, with your misinterpretations, by saying His Mahima is undescribable. Don´t you feel even a little bit of shame, for this your misbehaviour, of misinterpretation and your negative effects on the younger generations, who are not mature yet, are growing in spirituality and starting to love and live in Gurmat. Gyan can not be copied as you say, because if it was so, you would have some tons of it by now, and you would not be saying the nonsense, which keep on doing and saying, with your mischiefs. Then other thing, Nam is only one power, it is the same power operating in me, you, or in the donkeys.... Nam is not a word, which you say, is from Satguru Jee or from somebody else. Nam is a conscious power, not a word or words in any particular language wriiten or spoken. You, with all your unlogic interpretations, you are revealing your own shortcomings, as in the form of your so called"smartness and knowledge" Be humble, do not be oversmart with your own presumptions, you have that capacity and capability, so take the most of it by putting it into practice, and be truthful. Your main problem is your ego, otherwise you are a good person. May God bless you.

ਅਸਟਪਦੀ ॥ असटपदी ॥ Ashtapadee: ਬਡਭਾਗੀ ਤੇ ਜਨ ਜਗ ਮਾਹਿ ॥ बडभागी ते जन जग माहि ॥ Very fortunate are those humble beings in this world, ਸਦਾ ਸਦਾ ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਗੁਨ ਗਾਹਿ ॥ सदा सदा हरि के गुन गाहि ॥ who sing the Glorious Praises(Mahima) of Hari(Wahiguru), forever and ever. Here once again, there is a proof from our Guru Jee, who is saying, that very fortunate are those beings, who sing the Glorious Praises = Wahiguru´s Mahima. That also not from now on, nor since yesterday, but since ever and forever. One must be possesed by some evil really, because to avoid listening or singing Hi Mahima is really a very bad sin. Not only that, that you avoid and do not accept this fact, this reality, (which is not mine, but of our Guru Sahibans), and you induce others to believe your nonsense, with your own ego, your own hankar,and your arrogance, your frustration. On the contrary, our Guru Sahibans say, that not only it is possible, but, it is advisable to do so, because it makes one receptive to His grace, to become a wadbhagee. Further on in the same bani, Guru Jee tells us: ਮਨਿ ਤਨਿ ਮੁਖਿ ਬੋਲਹਿ ਹਰਿ ਮੁਖੀ ॥ मनि तनि मुखि बोलहि हरि मुखी ॥ Those who speak of Hari in thought, word and deed (Wahiguru Kee Mahima)- ਸਦਾ ਸਦਾ ਜਾਨਹੁ ਤੇ ਸੁਖੀ ॥ सदा सदा जानहु ते सुखी ॥ know that they are peaceful and happy, forever and ever. Our Guru Sahibans, invite us to sing His mahima, His Glory. And you like a enemy of the Bani, says, and make others believe that, that it is not possible. Who knows more, our Guru Sahibans, or a shameless person like you? Who(you) knows only, to create confussions among the sangat,and hatred, or in one word : disharmony. And this is a devlish task. All your words, attitude, thinking ..... is totally against Gurmat May He bless you, to make you at least a good person, so that you may sing His Mahima, read His Mahima, and listen His Mahima, and become a wadbhagee as per the Bani above. Sat Sree Akal

These words of the poster above are full of humanity, of love, of forgiveness, of truth...... These words and feelings of the poster below, as usual; are full of hatred, of negativity, of ignorance, of ego, of arrogance, corrupted thinking.... So naturally, what one has inside, that is the output...and in this case is our brother Balbir Jee. But anyhow, may Wahiguru bless Him with love, humility, and capacity to sing and listen His Mahima...

ੴ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ ਅਕਾਲ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਅਜੂਨੀ ਸੈਭੰ ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ Ikoankaar Sathnaam Karathaa Purakh Nirabho Niravair Akaal Moorath Ajoonee Saibhan Gurprasaadh ੴ सति नामु करता पुरखु निरभउ निरवैरु अकाल मूरति अजूनी सैभं गुर प्रसादि One Universal Creator God, TheName Is Truth, Creative Being Personified No Fear No Hatred He is beyond time Beyond Birth, Self-Existent. By Guru's Grace He is realized ਆਦਿ ਸਚੁ ਜੁਗਾਦਿ ਸਚੁ Aadh Sach Jugaadh Sach आदि सचु जुगादि सचु True In The Primal Beginning. True Throughout The Ages. ਹੈ ਭੀ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਹੋਸੀ ਭੀ ਸਚੁ Hai Bhee Sach Naanak Hosee Bhee Sach है भी सचु नानक होसी भी सचु True Here And Now. O Nanak, Forever And Ever True. ਸੋਚੈ ਸੋਚਿ ਨ ਹੋਵਈ ਜੇ ਸੋਚੀ ਲਖ ਵਾਰ Sochai Soch N Hovee Jae Sochee Lakh Vaar सोचै सोचि न होवई जे सोची लख वार By thinking, He cannot be reduced to thought, even by thinking hundreds of thousands of times. ਚੁਪੈ ਚੁਪ ਨ ਹੋਵਈ ਜੇ ਲਾਇ ਰਹਾ ਲਿਵ ਤਾਰ Chupai Chup N Hovee Jae Laae Rehaa Liv Thaar चुपै चुप न होवई जे लाइ रहा लिव तार By remaining silent, inner silence is not obtained, even by remaining lovingly absorbed deep within. ਭੁਖਿਆ ਭੁਖ ਨ ਉਤਰੀ ਜੇ ਬੰਨਾ ਪੁਰੀਆ ਭਾਰ Bhukhiaa Bhukh N Outharee Jae Bannaa Pureeaa Bhaar भुखिआ भुख न उतरी जे बंना पुरीआ भार The hunger of the hungry is not appeased, even by piling up loads of worldly goods. ਸਹਸ ਸਿਆਣਪਾ ਲਖ ਹੋਹਿ ਤ ਇਕ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਨਾਲਿ Sehas Siaanapaa Lakh Hohi Th Eik N Chalai Naal सहस सिआणपा लख होहि त इक न चलै नालि Hundreds of thousands of clever tricks, but not even one of them will go along with you in the end. ਕਿਵ ਸਚਿਆਰਾ ਹੋਈਐ ਕਿਵ ਕੂੜੈ ਤੁਟੈ ਪਾਲਿ Kiv Sachiaaraa Hoeeai Kiv Koorrai Thuttai Paal किव सचिआरा होईऐ किव कूड़ै तुटै पालि So how can you become truthful? And how can the veil of illusion be torn away? ਹੁਕਮਿ ਰਜਾਈ ਚਲਣਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਨਾਲਿ Hukam Rajaaee Chalanaa Naanak Likhiaa Naal हुकमि रजाई चलणा नानक लिखिआ नालि O Nanak, it is written that you shall obey the Hukam of His Command, and walk in the Way of His Will. If all this Mahima from Guru Nanak Dev Maharaj in the above lines is not enough for you, let me know, I will write you down all the 1430 pages..... you are afraid of long posts, but then here you will have to drink the Amrit from all the Angs of the Bani.... maybe then, your arrogance, your malice, your ego is thus washed away... and makes you humbler, sincere, gunvaant(means full of virtues)... May God bless you Balbir Jee.

What a mature and a fabulous reply Lucky Singh Jee. This reply reminds me , of a similar situation in the Bible, a story which I heard a long ago, where Satan appeared disguised to Christ in the desert, and told Him, people say you are God, so turn these stones into bread, and I will give you a kingdom. Christ replied Him with the following words: know that I am your God, I have nothing to proove you, you are made to serve me, so go away from here, and so Satan disappeared. Without any weapons, without any hot debates and discussions, but with just simple words the evil was defeated by love and mercy of Christ. Because if Christ had wanted, just by His wish, the devil could have been burnt to ashes...... In the long run, in the end, the virtues and goodness prevail or win, over malice, hatred, and agyanta, so has been seen throughout the history.

There is a saying going like this: There is no greater blind, who does not want to see. Not that he/she can not see, but refuses to see, because he is stuck on personal ego, or even personal observations or interpretations. All the posts referred above on the Mahima of Wahiguru, are just a infinitesimal greatness, of His infinite virtues, and are from the angs of Guru Jee. Though it has been said, that nothing new was created or added by me, because we are moorakhs compared to our Guru Sahibans, who left the Bani for us, so that we get ideas(though limited) of how great He is. And this job none other than our Guru Sahibans or Gurmukhs could have done, as they have a personal experience of that infinite being, namely Wahiguru, while we just talk on presumptions or just guessing, unless we too do the jugtee of revealing Him within us, as per Nam Simran. So, if somebody has a thick veil of ego and arrogance, before his eyes, naturally he will deny all His Mahima. And for that purpose, again I am going to pour out His mahima, with the support of the Amrit Bani, in the Guru Granth Sahib. In Raag Gauree, Fifth Patshahee, describes some of His infintes virtues using the limited extensions of words, because it is by words, that we can listen, and understand to an extent. This Shabad describes the very topics of this thread: which are Wahiguru, Nam and His Gurmukhs. And all of these are described perfectly by Fifth Patshahee in the following lines agam roop kaa man meh thaanaa. The Lord(Wahiguru) of Unfathomable Form has His Place in the mind. First of all, He is talking about the form of Wahiguru as Agam Roop, which by itself is His description, otherwise He is unfathomable. gur parsaad kinai virlai jaanaa. By Guru's Grace, a rare few come to understand this. Then He is telling us, that by Guru´s Grace, a very few come to understand this, others wander in debates and discussions or even worse, deny His Mahima or His existence. anhat banee thaan niraalaa. The unstruck melody of the Guru's Bani vibrates in that most special place. taa kee Dhun mohay gopaalaa. The Lord of the World is fascinated with this melody. Then He is telling us something of Sach Khand and the owner Lord of Sach Khand. He is saying that the Anhad Bani of Nam is being played there unstruck, means non stop. And going a little bit further, He is telling us, that, that very Akal Purukh, is absorbed, is fascinated with that Divine melody of Nam. And in some lines atfer, He tells us, the importance and heights of the Gurmukhs, sadhoos, Sant Janas, Guru sahibans, Bhagats: paarbarahm kay sangee santaa. there, the Saints dwell, in the Company of the Supreme Lord God. So we can see, in just few lines and in a simple manner, Fifth Patshahee, has decribed, the Mahima of Wahiguru, of Nam, and His Gurmukhs. If again, this descrition is not in words of Wahiguru, from Sree Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj, then what is it? We are so egoistic, so much self centered about ourselves, that even after reading and listening His mahima, through the pure paviter Bani of our Guru Sahibans we say: no no, that is nothing, this is not mahima, because nobody can do so. We are so mean and low, we pput ourselves even befor our very Guru Sahibans, who are the very embodiment of wahiguru Akal Purukh, to th extent that we question and doubt their words of His Mahima..... shame on those, who are so closed minded! There are many many more Shabads, which describe the mahima, the greatness of Wahiguru. Read any Bani, any Shabd, it is nothing but His Mahima. Starting from the vey mool mantar, it describes the unique qualities of Wahiguru, and describing His qualities, His virtues, is nothing but His Mahima. Wah wah Sachay Badshah.

Thanks luckysingh99, for such a inspiring and a mature reply, which is full of love and humanity. May God bless you Sat Sree Akal.

Balbir Jee, if they did not use those words, it was their choice. What was going in their minds at that time, how can we moorakhs know or understand them, the Ocean of Gyan? And if they did not use thse words, they did not do anything good or anything bad, neither have they written or stated anywhere, that nobody can use them together. Or do you have any proof of it? So what is your trouble with these words? Why are you so frightened to see or hear them? What evil do you see in them? I have answered your query each and every time very clearly, but if you fail to see the answer, it is not my fault. There must be something bothering you in your mind, which refrains you from seeing, the answer I give and shall always give you. How can I know what is in your mind, or the type of answer you want to hear from me. Better, why do not you say what you think the answer should be, maybe this ends all your so created problems... For the the last time, I repeat to you, Mahima is vadeeayee, is mahanta, is greatness, and in this case I refer to the mahima of Wahiguru alone, which is the Bani of our Guru Sahibans in the Granth Sahib Maharaj. As simple as that. So stop complicating things in your mind, by seeing things that do not exist. If after this post, again you dare to provoke me, I will totally ignore you, because it is better to talk to a wall, than to you. And do not tell me how to write what I want, whenever I think proper to use we, I shall do so, and when I think proper to use I, that shall I do so.

It is a pity,that the Bani, instead of making us mature and broadminded, can not effect as such on us, because we are rigidly closed minded with our own agyanta, which we do not want to leave and come out of it. So naturally we are to be blammed, not the Bani. Then too we are so petty minded, we use the name of the Bani as our shield to cover our weaknesses, our own insecurities, so how can we ever overcome them? Then if we see someone waliking confidently, within the parameters of the Bani and sound logic, we feel mentally perturbed, we can not witsthand seeing someone independant, without the restrictions we have put on ourselves. Then too, we foolishly, name the Bani and say, it does not say so or so... The teachings of Gurmat, are to make us balanced and mature, and above all free from agyantta. But we have been so much time in darkness, that we like bats prefer that sweet darkness, than to lit the light of Gurmat within us, and to benefit from its purifying Light. This Light of Gurmat, makes us more human beings, and as said before, free us slowly and slowly from all our bondages and agyanta and moorakhta. But this light, does not come like that, it is lit by putting into practice the teachings of our Guru Sahibans. So, Balbir Jee, when you throw your false accusations, is that not, not sticking to the topic of this thread ? But when I goodheartedly, try to clarify you, you say, stick to the thread? Still you do not accept and recognize all the evidences brought forth, demonstrating that your attitude towards me , was not the correct one? But your intentionally twisting and manipulating words, which I never wrote nor said. So you are again cunningly trying to divert the attention towards another useless points. I do not know, what you understand of Mahima? But for any normal person, it is the greatness of someone. And in this case, it is the greatness of Wahiguru, or Satnam, or Akal Purukh. Nobody can sing properly His Mahima. A little child can not read or write, not even talk properly, but that does not mean, he should stop pronouncing what he hears his parents saying. In our case, our Guru Sahibans are our parents. And I am not saying anything new of my own, but reciting like a parrot, (like the most of us), what the Guru Sahibans have said and written in the Granth Sahib. And then too, I am viewed as an wrong doer? There should be surely something wrong, going in your mind, by thinking so. The pure paviter Bani, is nothing but ustatee, vadeayee, mahima of Wahiguru, which if heard, it purifies one ears; ir recited, it purifies our polluted mouths, and if written, it purifies our dirty hands, and this Bani, then leads us to the inner true Bani. So for once and all, mahima is glory, is greatness, of that one Akal Purukh. Guru Maharaj, does not say, do not sing His glory, neither does it say when to eat, or drink or sleep, or talk. Come on man, we should not be that rigid. Our father Wahiguru is not a dictator, He has give us freedom to use it responsibily. The Bani does not say, do not drive a car, or travel in planes., or many other normal things we do daily...then according to your limited thinking we sholuld not do that even... the Bani does not say also that 2 + 2 is four, but do we because of that, stop with arithmetics? Come on man, do not be so petty minded and name the Bani for it The only thing, we should keep in mind, is not trespassing His Hukum, because then we incurr in sins. We should not feel jealous, neither cheat, nor hurt anyone deliberately or unintentionally. We should, aath paher, keep our mind in His Simran and chintan, so that we may not fall down and be ashamed of our deeds. If you say my posts are long, what is that? is that not jealously? is that not your own insecurity? Or even lack of clear thinking? You can not withstand, someone doing sifat salahee of Sachay Patshah. Why so much narrow mindedness? For me, Wahiguru is my true Father, and me being His child, I only want to either talk about Him, or listen about Him, which is nothing, but His Mahima. Of course, we can never ever sing all His countles virtues, but if we just stick to just a few of His virtues, the rest of the virtues and Kul Malik Sachay Patshah Wahiguru will come and dwell within us. Virtues which can help us to walk on the path of Guramt are, humility, forgiveness, patience, and above all His Simran Now do not tell me that, that infinite and big Lord, how can He come and dwell within us? Because knowing you, as you are, you are capable of doing so, and much more. Sat Sree Akal.

Dear Balbir Jee, Some people are very much in twisting things and like to put you down, but it does not matter, patience is the best remedy to face those sitautions. If you say you can not trust me, but then can you say, that you can trust and believe yourself? I think you can not, and should not. And let me proove it to you, because I am going to do that, that you can not. You want to proove me wrong, which I am not, even if thousands of Balbir like you come and tell me the same. But yes, you are totally and deliberately wrong. I am saying that, that Sadhoo and Gurmukh are one with Akal Purukh, That is it. I am not saying, a Sadhoo is a Gurmukh. And you say, that I say:provide one reference from SGGS jee where Gurdev says that Sadhoo is a Gurmukh Again you say: These holy Vaaks from Gurdev are not saying that a Sadhoo is a Gurmukh as you wrote. You have totally changed my words, there is no similartity in them at all, in what I originally say, and the way you write it, and then too, you say I am not to be trusted or believed? Who is here making faults and not recognizing them time after time? Obviously you. There is a saying:to make mistakes is human, but to recognize and accept them, makes one divine. But if after making mistakes, one does not recognize or accept them, that is hankar, that is arrogance, that is pride. And to trouble someone just for the sake of one´s own arrogance, that is a sin. May Wahiguru bless you, with peace and clarity!

Sat Sree Akal Balbir Jee, it is a pleasure referring to the Bani, but it would be appreciated, if a little bit of trust is given to this das, otherwise if everything written has to be given proof, then we could never end. Not much, but a little trust is important. Neither you know me, nor do I to you. But healthy minimum trust is necessary. We are not perfect, we are all here to help each other. Each and everyone as it it is, at least I do not ask much, I trust, except when it sounds fishy... Though I have written a reference above from the SGGS of what you are asking...it is a quotation of Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj from Sukhmani Sahib, where He says: ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਧ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਭੇਦੁ ਨ ਭਾਈ Nanak, Sadh, Prabh, bhed na bhaee. O Nanak, there is no difference, between a Sadh(Sadhoo), and the Lord. Moreover at other place in the same Sukhmani Sahib, He says: ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਧ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਬਨਿ ਆਈ Naanak, Saadhh, Prabhoo Ban Aaee नानक साध प्रभू बनि आई O Nanak, the Sadhoo (Holy) are at one with God. If one goes through the Sukhmani Sahib, there is a whole section, where Guru Maharaj speaks about Sadhoo, and Sadh kee sangat, means the countless benefits, which one derives by being in their their company. Satisfied, bhai Balbir Jee? Sat Sree Akal, Waheguru Jee.