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If you're saying Muslims are more religious than Sikhs, then I disagree. Sikhs are far more religious. They follow their dress codes (esp. turban) in any nation, even if there is only one Sikh in the entire community. Muslims would never do anything overtly religious if they were in that same position, in my opinion. A Sikh friend told me that reincarnation doesn't mean you are given more tries as in a video game. You still follow your faith and take it seriously; there are consequences, etc. You can correct me if I am wrong, as I am not a scholar of either faith. So, I don't think Sikhs and Muslims are in conflict when it comes to religion. They both take it seriously and respect the others' faith. A Muslim wouldn't eat jhatka and a Sikh wouldn't eat halal but they won't stop the other from doing so on the same dining table.

I really appreciate what you said about the Masjid. I said it was an isolated incident because Muslims and Sikhs visit the same shrines but these facts are never highlighted unlike this incident. As the post before me states, the situation is settled in favor of the Sikhs but this will also be ignored, completely. I had read a report that same day in which an army official got involved to defuse any troubles. Why wasn't it mentioned here? Also, the faith that Sikhs have in Pakistan's judiciary by asking the Chief Justice for help, considering him "just" won't be appreciated either. I wonder why? Until you tell me otherwise, I will be forced to think that you believe Pakistanis and Muslims are guilty until proven innocent, which is extremely unfair. I don't believe Sikhs or anyone should be given guns at all because there is an overflow of guns within the Pakistani populace and any more would be terrible. Sikhs achieved their goal democratically without the use of any violence. If they let sanity prevail, you should do the same.

I would like to begin by sharing this video: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Qy0S6iqLwXw I really appreciate you guys welcoming me here. There is a common misconception among Sikhs that Pakistanis either want to 1) convert them or 2) want them to secede from India (i.e. separate it). 1) Faith: With regards to faith or proselytizing, this is all I care about: Anything related to this stuff, I am willing to comment on as it is a commonality between our faiths and not one "superseding" the other. There is a band of a few 100 individuals that are committed to create chaos within the state of Pakistan for which our army is fighting them. Majority of normal peace-loving Pakistan never had a problem with Sikhs or Sikh yatris; as you know, Nankana Sahib is in Pakistan. 2) India: I won't be indulging in this discussion because that did not drive me to come here. What drove me to come here was that I found a lot of love from Sikhs for Pakistanis as I mentioned before. I will be posting stuff that promotes peace and love between the two communities as the video above shows. Unfortunately, there is a lot of anti-Pakistan and anti-Muslim propaganda among Sikhs, which you can see reflected in Sarabjeet's post. I am under the impression that stories of partition and the Mughal-era drives Sikhs to hate us, which is why they join the Indian army against Pakistan. I believe peace in the subcontinent can be achieved if Sikhs and Muslims were to love each other considering that 25% of the Indian army is Sikh and 50% of Pakistani army is Punjabi. I believe in the philosophy of Pakistan and since we already have a nation; nothing else is of any interest except the disputed territory of Kashmir. I don't support militancy in India and neither does the state since Musharraf's time despite the lies propagated by the Indian media. In Pakistan, people believe that if someone slipped over a banana peel in Calcutta, they would blame Pakistan. We support struggles like that of ANC against apartheid South Africa. People of Kashmir are already doing that. Even the ex-militant Yasin Malik is following Gandhi's steps to achieve freedom. We believe in using peaceful, democratic ways to get our points across rather than violence because that's how Pakistan came into existence. Pakistan was made because of our founders' democratic efforts, extraordinary academic backgrounds and political acumen. Pakistan did not have a capital, any buildings or even barracks. This was a country whose first bureaucrats had used branches from trees as pen and pins. If Sikhs were to do that and raise awareness for their cause, Pakistanis (Punjabis in particular) will be the first to support them. This is not just for the sake of human rights; majority of Pakistanis feel closer to Sikhs than Arabs despite sharing the same religion with them, did you ever wonder why? We went through all of this to have self-determination and honor. But I won't teach you about honor because honor and Sikhi are synonymous.

As a Pakistani, I would like to clarify that this incident was an isolated one. This group is primarily an intra-faith missionary group. They have been taking over mosques from other Muslim sects so this was not done because Pakistani Muslims hate Sikhs. They are mainstream to a certain extent but they do not hold power and it is not state policy to suppress the Sikhs, as it is in India. It is a common misconception among Sikhs that Muslims want to proselytize Sikhs and convert them. Nothing can be further from the truth. Our founders had regarded Sikhs as neither Hindu or Muslim. They asked Sikhs to opt with Pakistan and offered them an autonomous region where Sikh laws as in the time of Ranjit Singh could be established. Pakistan is the only country in the world that has made the Sikh marriage certificate, a distinct document and part of law.

I am a Pakistani and I would like to share with you why I joined this site. Recently, I was made aware by Sikh activists about the state of Sikhs in India. I had always thought that Sikhs and Muslims (esp. from Pakistan) are supposed to hate each other for what happened during partition and with your Saints/Gurus. But, I did not know that the Sikhs had a lot of reverence for my country because of the Anand Karaj act, Nankana Sahib, our culture, language and religion. I knew that Guru Nanak had visited Mecca but I never knew that Sikhs considered Waris Shah, Bulleh Shah, Baba Fareed and others as holy figures as well. I don't know if there are Pakistanis here but I would like to be a representative of Pakistan to build a stronger connection with Sikhs. I am now aware that Sikhs are a distinct community in South Asia. Due to a lack of awareness, people in the west think they are Muslims and in Pakistan, they are thought of as Hindus. I am trying on a personal level to at least share with my fellow Pakistanis about how close Sikhs are to us; yet different and unique. I will be inviting other Pakistanis from another forum to join this forum to improve relations between our communities once you guys approve. I don't mind being looked at with suspicion because only gullible fools accept everything that is fed to them, blindly. I would still like to request you to accept what I said above, as is, and appreciate my efforts regardless of what you believe my intentions are. Your thoughts...?