Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! I could not find it or anything like that in Guru Arjan Dev Jee's writings. Do the readers know who have written articles on Sikhiwiki? Those who have found the true Sabad Guru know what they write in articles on the Internet. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and GPS Jee! Please accept my hearty thanks for the wonderful references from the reverend Gurus. Such examples are avoided normally by the preachers and grammar pandits among Sikhs. One wants to eat mangoes. Does he start listening, the songs about mangoes? Or, does he start reading a book about mangoes? This is what the true Guroo is singing in this Vaak. ਸੁਨੀਐ ਅਵਰ ਅਵਰ ਬਿਧਿ ਬੁਝੀਐ ਬਕਨ ਕਥਨ ਰਹਤਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ सुनीऐ अवर अवर बिधि बुझीऐ बकन कथन रहता ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ Sunī▫ai avar avar biḏẖ bujẖī▫ai bakan kathan rahṯā. ||1|| rahā▫o. ang 498 The only thing remained is this. What is this avar bidhi and how it is resolved? Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Sall Jee! God's blessing is recognized when HE showers the beloved introducing the true Guroo. False preachers work hard to introduce, mislead and attach the seeker with others. I requested "Other examples you have provided are from Bhai Gurdaas Jee and Bhai Desa Singh Jee. Are these your Gurus?" Why did you not answer? Your question is "Very clever, tell me what you think of these two personalties first then I will respond with my thoughts- stick to the point of my response don't go astray." These two personalities are not the Gurus of Sikhs. No Sikh should follow others than his Guru. The preachers who teach something else are opening their Bazaars. Listen to any preacher in Gurdwaras and find out how much he has given the listeners from the true Guru's Treasure. Quote "Tell me which ones you think are preaching and misleading seekers and in particular let's start with Bhai Gurdas only , tell where is his preaching wrong?" One preacher is the participant on this forum with the mask name 'Sall'. Here is an example from Bhai Gurdaas Jee. ਸਕਲ ਧਰਮ ਮੈ ਗ੍ਰਿਹਸਤੁ ਪ੍ਰਧਾਨ ਹੈ || सकल धरम मै ग्रिहसतु प्रधान है ॥ sakal dharam mai grihasatu pradhaan hai. Kabit 376 Last line In all religion grihastu is on the top. Please ponder. My Guru is singing about Dharam. ਸਰਬ ਧਰਮ ਮਹਿ ਸ੍ਰੇਸਟ ਧਰਮੁ || ਹਰਿ ਕੋ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਿ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਕਰਮੁ || सरब धरम महि स्रेसट धरमु ॥ हरि को नामु जपि निरमल करमु ॥ sarab dharam mahi sresaT dharamu. hari ko naamu japi nirmal karamu. SGGS Ang. 266 In all religions supreme religion is. Hari's naam by japping is the soothing karam. Quote "Tell me why did you not answer my question ' Do you believe in the amrit ceremony have you taken amrit'???" Please do not knock at the other's door. God is realized within first. Amrit ceremony is not to believe. Amrit is to enliven. Did any of the Gurus ever mention that Amrit is a ceremony? Business minded preachers have injected a ritual among Sikhs calling it A.... ceremony. Please listen. My Guru is singing about Amrit. ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸਬਦੁ ਪਛਾਣੀਐ ਹਰਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਨਾਮਿ ਸਮਾਇ ॥ गुरमुखि सबदु पछाणीऐ हरि अम्रित नामि समाइ ॥ Gurmukẖ sabaḏ pacẖẖāṇī▫ai har amriṯ nām samā▫e. ਗੁਰ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਪ੍ਰਚੰਡੁ ਬਲਾਇਆ ਅਗਿਆਨੁ ਅੰਧੇਰਾ ਜਾਇ ॥੨॥ गुर गिआनु प्रचंडु बलाइआ अगिआनु अंधेरा जाइ ॥२॥ Gur gi▫ān parcẖand balā▫i▫ā agi▫ān anḏẖerā jā▫e. ||2|| SGGS 29 Are your preachers providing this Amrit? Quote "Admins-- What type of personalites do you have in quality control this is madness or am I going mad??" Since years preachers have made some folks mad. Now it is their turn. Please do not call the Admins mad. ***** The topic here is 'Raam' in Gurbani. Please say something about Raam. Even Bhai Gurdaas Jee has written about its results many times. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Sall Jee! Thanks for the reference of the wonderful Vaak from Guru Arjan Dev Jee. ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰੂ ਜਪਿ ਮੀਤ ਹਮਾਰੇ ॥ गुरू गुरू जपि मीत हमारे ॥ Gurū gurū jap mīṯ hamāre. Chant and meditate on the Guru, the Guru, O my friend. ਮੁਖ ਊਜਲ ਹੋਵਹਿ ਦਰਬਾਰੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ मुख ऊजल होवहि दरबारे ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ Mukẖ ūjal hovėh ḏarbāre. ||1|| rahā▫o. SGGS Ang. 190 Your face shall be radiant in the Court of the Lord. ||1||Pause|| Sikhs have names of ten Gurus and the name of their present Guru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee. May I ask Guru Arjan Dev Jee is suggesting, to Jap, which Guru? Other examples you have provided are from Bhai Gurdaas Jee and Bhai Desa Singh Jee. Are these your Gurus? Since hundreds of years preachers are misleading seekers to follow others than the reverend Gurus. Why? Please listen. My Guru is singing. ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮਾ ਉਚਰੁ ਮਨਾ ॥ स्री राम नामा उचरु मना ॥ Sarī rām nāmā ucẖar manā. ਆਗੈ ਜਮ ਦਲੁ ਬਿਖਮੁ ਘਨਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ आगै जम दलु बिखमु घना ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ Āgai jam ḏal bikẖam gẖanā. ||1|| rahā▫o. SGGS Ang. 155 Did Bhai Gurdaas Jee and Bhai Desa Singh Jee ever hear and say something like that? Balbir Singh

Bijla Singh Jee! Why a Sihari is needed in the Gurmukhi language?

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! Bijla Singh Jee wrote "Have you studied Gurbani viyakaran yourself? If yes then refute my arguments using viyakaran." Gurdev : ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਕਹਹੁ ਮਤ ਝੂਠੇ बेद कतेब कहहु मत झूठे झूठा Beḏ kaṯeb kahhu maṯ jẖūṯẖe Bijla Singh Jee interpreted: ਬੇਦਾਂ ਕਤੇਬਾਂ ਦੇ ਮੰਨੇ ਹੋਏ ਰਸਤਿਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਕਹੋ ਕਿ ਇਹ ਝੂਠੇ ਹਨ Call the religions preached by Vedas and Semitic scriptures false The above is the result of your grammar. ***** Truth does not change by replacing the words. Gurdev : ਝੂਠਾ ਜੋ ਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੈ ॥ झूठे झूठा जो न बिचारै ॥ jẖūṯẖā jo na bicẖārai. Bijla Singh Jee interpreted: Meaning – ਅਤੇ ਝੂਠਾ ਹੀ ਉਹ ਹੈ ਜੋ ਸੱਚ ਦੀ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰਦਾ । And false is the person who follows any of these religions and does not contemplate the truth. Thanks for using the word Truth for Ved, Kateb. ***** Grammar Pandits may receive the wisdom (Gur) of the Sabad. The Gur Sabad liberates them also from the entanglement with a language and its rules of grammar. Please ponder. Guru Naanak Dev Jee is singing. ਪੁਸਤਕ ਪਾਠ ਬਿਆਕਰਣ ਵਖਾਣੈ ਸੰਧਿਆ ਕਰਮ ਤਿਕਾਲ ਕਰੈ ॥ पुसतक पाठ बिआकरण वखाणै संधिआ करम तिकाल करै ॥ Pusṯak pāṯẖ bi▫ākaraṇ vakẖāṇai sanḏẖi▫ā karam ṯikāl karai. ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਸਬਦ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਕਹਾ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮ ਬਿਨੁ ਉਰਝਿ ਮਰੈ ॥੨॥ बिनु गुर सबद मुकति कहा प्राणी राम नाम बिनु उरझि मरै ॥२॥ Bin gur sabaḏ mukaṯ kahā parāṇī rām nām bin urajẖ marai. ||2|| SGGS Ang 1127 Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! Bijla Jee interpreted the Guru's Vaak. I cannot imagine that the reverend Gurus ever give conflicting statements. Truth is not contradictory. Guru Naanak Dev Jee is singing. Please listen. ਚਾਰੇ ਵੇਦ ਹੋਏ ਸਚਿਆਰ ॥ चारे वेद होए सचिआर ॥ chaare ved hoe sachiaar. SGGS Ang 470-8 ***** Should your followers call God false after reading your preaching? According to Gurdev, God Himself is Veda, Puraan and all Scriptures? ਆਪੇ ਵੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਣ ਸਭਿ ਸਾਸਤ ਆਪਿ ਕਥੈ ਆਪਿ ਭੀਜੈ ॥ आपे वेद पुराण सभि सासत आपि कथै आपि भीजै ॥ Aape ved puraaN sabhi saasat aapi kathai aapi bheejai. SGGS Ang 551 Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! Words Raam and Hari occur thousands of times in Sri Granth Saahib Jee. Rather, the reverend Gurus suggest doing Simran of these names. Still, I have not seen a Sikh doing Naam Simran of Ram or Hari in Gurdwara premises. No Guru has suggested doing Simran of the word Vaheguru. Still, many techniques and ways are used to do Simran of the word Vaheguru. What has happened? Ananda, Solace and all other virtues are missing in a normal life today. One should ponder. What is gone wrong? My humble request to all of you is this. Try to talk to your preachers straight and directly. Encourage them also to seek Truth. The path of Hari is exactly as true Gurus have sung it. One does not have to learn moral science for it. Moral is the result of Naam Simran. Do you feel like experiencing Truth really? Or, you want to read and discuss more about it? Balbir Singh

The reverend Gurus talked about the Sabad Guru, its wisdom and the Surat, Chela. Bhai Gurdaas Jee is talking about the GurGaddee transferred.

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and harryss Jee! Some story tellers promised that Bhai Gurdaas Jee's poetry is the key to understand Granth Saahib. This key has been locked now by strange translations. You asked "1.Why does it say that Hari ram gobind vishnu are satguru" Perhaps the translator or your mind said it so. Can someone please suggest where to find Satguru Hari Ram Gobind Vishnu and that also without loosing Satguru Granth Saahib Jee? harryss Jee wrote "thats what i thought it meant to but it says satguru ram's name was jupped and vishnu's in the same pauri of Bhia Sahib he says kaljug nanak gur gobind gaga govind nam japaavi Bhia Sahib mentions that Guru Nanak is the Guru of Kaljug. And it mentions Vasdev was the satguru of satgur harikrishna was the satguru of duaapar ram was the satguru of trata and Guru Nanak Satguru of Kaljug Maybe im not understanding Bhia Sahib's meaning of these lines. please help me answer these questions" Everyone should seek the Satigur of him, I feel. Are you looking for my Satigur? Mehtab Singh Jee wrote "Gobind = Go (creation) + Bind (seed) = cause behind entire creation = Akaal Purakh" May I ask from which algebric equation or dictionary these meanings are derived? Mohinder Pal Jee wrote "So it all about VAHO VAHO GOBIND SINGH APE GUR CHELA" Many Sikhs these days are trying to follow the writer to become APE GUR CHELA. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! I hoped Bijla Singh Jee would explain the 'meanings of Siharis'. He is but explaining the meaning of different words where Sihari does not change every time it is used. Adding Sihari in a word must have a purpose. Can somebody please explain this purpose? Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and harryss Jee! Guru Gobind Singh Jee wrote about Chaubis Avtaar. Bhai Gurdaas Jee mentioned only four of the Avtaars and suggested first letters of their Names to add that created the word 'Vahiguru'. Did Bhai Gurdaas Jee do partiality in choosing Names? Perhaps somebody from the lineage of Bhai Gurdaas Jee may give answers to your questions. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and guruvah Jee! Please let me learn at the school. Do not work to get me rusticated. May I ask why your name is backward from Vahiguru that also without the sihari? Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! I thought I asked the question in the right school before the class teacher. Please let me know if this is not the Gurmukhi class. Gurmukhi is where the Gur is transferred through the mouth. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Only five Jee! Is Sabad Guru a complete Granth? If yes, who convinced you with this? I could not find one instance where any of the reverend Gurus said so. Perhaps you can provide a reference from the Gurus and oblige. I will be grateful. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! Bijla Singh wrote in the post #32 "My post was strictly about meanings of siharis and their purpose not pronunciation." I have the curiosity to learn. How many meanings of siharis are available in Gurmukhi language? In writing there is only one sihari though. I have a question also. Why Satinaam ਸਤਿਨਾਮੁ is always written with a sihari? Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Only five Jee! You wrote "Those that say following the Koran or Vedas, which a Muslim and Hindu must do, is not a wrong act are saying the Koran and Vedas are the Shabad Guru. No where in Gurbani does it say to follow the Koran or the Vedas or Bible. It say to follow the Shabad Guru ONLY." Is it possible that Scriptures and printed Granths of other religions are not their Sabad Guru but the printed Granth of Sikhs is their Sabad Guru? The wisdom of the Sabad Guru is not received by possessing the bundle of printed paper and reading it. The secret of this wisdom lies in receiving it. ਪੜਿਐ ਨਾਹੀ ਭੇਦੁ ਬੁਝਿਐ ਪਾਵਣਾ ॥ पड़िऐ नाही भेदु बुझिऐ पावणा ॥paRiai naahee bhedu bujhiai paavaNaa || SGGS Ang 148 Read not the secret resolved is receiving it. Quote "If the Koran and rest of the religious text teach the Shabad Guru as some people are implying here, but don't want to come out and say it, then what was the need to write down the Shabad Guru and then place it on a Palki and bow down to it(Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj)?" No text of scriptures is able to transfer this wisdom. The scriptures of all religions suggest only where and how to get it. Quote "We already had the Shabad Guru according to some here, it is in the Koran. So why didn't Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji pick up the Koran and teach the true intrepretation of the Koran. Why didn't Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji pick up the Bible and teach the true intrepretation of it? He would have bowed at the Mosque and told them to get rid of the rituals. Shabad Guru is here in the written form(Koran, Biblie), so infact Gurbani becomes (forgive me for saying this) useless, as the Koran is a true path to Sri Waheguru ji, along with Vedas, Bible, etc, etc." The preachers translate and misinterpret the scriptures. The true Guru transfers the wisdom of the Sabad directly. Scriptures then become one's own experience. A translation is no more needed. Quote "Creating a different religions that is doing the same as Islam or Hinduism is only creating more divisions among people that all come from the same, Sri Waheguru ji." The reverend Gurus brought human beings back to their origin, God. They did not start a different religion. These are your preachers who are trying to encash it this way. Quote "Lastly it would not be wrong if one day in the Gurdwara the Granthi replaced Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji with the Koran and the whole sangat bowed down to the Koran." Do not worry about it. Sikh Mullahs and Sikh Brahmins are living on it. They will die not to let it happen. ***** All can reach Truth through the Sabad Guru. Many get lost in printed matter. A rare few ones survive and revive the wisdom of Sabad Guru, with God's Grace. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and kds1980 Jee! Worldly religions are formed and followed on worldly understanding of duality. So is this with Muslim religion also, in my view. In the original Godly message through Muhammad Sahib, Musalmaan is one who is completely awaken in consciousness. He is pure (khaalis) and Pooran. One should learn the wisdom (Gur) to win and awaken the sleeping mind that is Kaafir. I cannot imagine that consciousness gets awakened by killing other human beings. Also, interpretations and translations of The Koran may be different as I have understood it. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Bijla Singh Jee! Your posts on this topic are full of controversies. I wish to elaborate some points raised in your last post. You wrote "you have not provided a single shred of evidence from Gurbani, Vaars and Kabits to back up your claims." A true Sikh receives the Gur of the Sabad from his reverend Gurus, not from others or others' poetry. Quote "Your statement that Guru Sahib never “asked” anyone to change religion is seriously an insulting comment towards the Gurus." Please provide a reference if you think Guru Sahib asked people to change religion. I will be grateful. Also, please do not feel insulted if you cannot provide a reference. Quote "Verb 'ask' means to make a request. Certainly, Guru Sahib never requested anyone to become a Sikh." Guru Sahib did not force either. It was the Naam Simran that brought the revolutionary change in their consciousness. Quote "Rather he preached Gurmat which inspired people to adopt Gurmat." Gurmat is the Gur of the Sabad. Gurmat is not preached. Gurmat is transferred as Prasaad. Do you know a preacher who knows the Gur of the Sabad? Quote "People didn’t just wake up one morning and decided to become Sikhs 'on their own'." Right. They received the learning of the Gur experiencing a revolution and realized they got the true learning (Sikh). The word Sikh in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee refers only this learning, not a human being. Quote "It was the result of missionary work carried out by the Gurus and the Sikhs." God distributes Prasaad of Gur through the reverend Gurus. The missionary work through preachers is a business (dhandhaa). Quote "Word 'missionary' is used for a person who undertakes a mission especially a religious mission." Those are all worldly rituals, repetitions and boring. Quote "Guru Nanak Sahib in his own hymns states that he was given the divine mission to preach." Please correct it. Replace the word 'preach' with Naam Simran. Quote "Bhai Gurdas Ji narrates the same incident." These may be your views. Even Bhai Gurdaas Jee did not say it is the same incident. Quote "Nowhere in Gurbani is it stated that a person should follow their respective religion strictly." Do you want to say that also Sikhs should not follow their respective religion strictly? Quote "In fact, the word Hindu is not even redefined in Gurbani whereas words Pandit, Brahmin, Muslim, Sheikh, Yogi, Sanyasi, Mullah, Qazi etc are defined according to Gurmat." These are human beings who may go wrong. They need to learn the Gur of Naam. They do not need to learn to change their religion. ***** I feel this post is getting long. ***** Please ponder. Guru Naanak Dev Jee is singing. ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਰਬੁ ਨ ਮੇਟਿਆ ਜਾਇ ॥ बिनु गुर गरबु न मेटिआ जाइ ॥ Without Gur pride is not eradicated. ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਧਰਮੁ ਧੀਰਜੁ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਇ ॥ गुरमति धरमु धीरजु हरि नाइ ॥ Through Gurmat is Dharam, Composure, Hari Naam. ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਮੁ ਮਿਲੈ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਇ ॥੧੨॥੯॥ नानक नामु मिलै गुण गाइ ॥१२॥९॥ Naanak, Naam is received. Virtues are sung. SGGS Ang 225 Please come to know true Naam Simran. You may never try to convert someone. Still, life becomes all precious without wanting it. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! Mehtab Singh Jee wrote "Sikhi is not a missionary religion in the Christian sense, rather "missionary" with respect to the fact that the Guru Sahibaan had a mission to preach truth to entire mankind." Guru Sahibaan did not have their own mission. They followed God's Hukam. Truth is not imitating someone who is following God's Hukam. ***** Please mention one thing that the missionary does. Subsequently let all know if Guru Sahibaan ever suggested that. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! The reverend Gurus spread Naam. The missionary spreads rituals. Origin of one's Dharama is within. Outer actions are worldly dharams. Who can know an inner journey himself? Only Naam in Sadh-Sang can lead one. In core of each individual He is God. There is no ego of a worldly religion. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! The reverend Gurus gave Gur Prasaad of Naam Jap. Many learnt the Gur and became Sikh. You may spread Sikhi also if you have this Gur. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! ਜਗੈ ਧਰਮ ਹਿੰਦੁਕ ਤੁਰਕ ਦੁੰਦ ਭਾਜੈ || Dharam is awaken. Hindu, Turk duality flees. Balbir Singh

They teach us to overlook maatraas. Actually they preach us to ignore Guru's instructions.

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Sunny_love_kirtan Jee! You wrote "You said pahan means stone not stone idol, if you read translation it is translated as Stone Idol." Experiencing the reverend Guru's Vaak is possible by listening Him. The translator's grace will be showering by reading his translation. Quote "we offer flowers in gurdwara because Satgur Jaagta Hai Deo" Strange. Others offer flowers and their idol is stone and lifeless. You offer flowers and your idol is Satgur Jagta Hai Deo. Kabeer Jee is saying that in each and every leaf there is life. Wow! Plucking flowers and offering such Bali to your Jaagtaa Gurdev is accepted in Gurdwaaraas. Quote "when you read the word moorat in gurbani, it reffers to word moorat in MOOL MANTAR and not the moorti or a statue or an imaginary image." Please listen. Guru Naanak Dev Jee is singing. ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹੇਸ ਇਕ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਆਪੇ ਕਰਤਾ ਕਾਰੀ ॥੧੨॥ ब्रहमा बिसनु महेस इक मूरति आपे करता कारी ॥१२॥ Brahmaa bisanu mahes ik moorati aape kartaa kaaree. SGGS Ang 908 Gurdev is singing about ik Sargun Moorati, not about Akaal. Akaal does not have any Moorati. Balbir Singh