x_suman_x

neva realised how powerful kirtan was until now

on sri guru arjun dev ji's parkash closed my eyes and listened

mind went blank

anaaaaaaaaaaaaaand

tried it again on wednesday

anaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand

its bliss

i also realised that the kakkars really do protect you

on monday a 50kilo palette from 12 ft up fell on my dads head

if he didn't have his dastaar and was a mona he would have died

the palette bounced of his joora(kes) and his sree sahib(wears a huge one)

they saved him

dhan dhan guru gobind singh ji

amazing innit

:wub: :lol: )))) :nihungsmile: :music: :TH:

the singhs who killed him been released now

waheguru

we need the support of high profile sikhs

bhinderwale was right

this is what sikh politicians and committee's say:

Dharam jaavay taa(n) jaavay, saaDee kursee kitay naa jaavay meaning "Our Faith can go if it must, but our political seat should go nowhere. "

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh,

I am Harpreet Singh Baxi from Kanchans. I have read all the concerns read by everyone with regards to the wedding on Sunday 30th April at The Tower Hotel. The wedding is now taking place at a Gurdwara in East London instead of the hotel. The family will receive the grooms party and arrangements have been made to take the bride and grooms immediate family and friends to the Gurdwara so we may perform the Laava with the respect that is due.

I would just like to share my opinion that, it is a very stressful time for a brides family and it was just made a lot harder with the continuous phonecalls, many from young sikhs, which did get very annoying. But this issue has now been resolved for the betterment of everyone and to uphold the respect of Sikhi.

I hope that we can avoid any violent or abusive scenes on Sunday, as I am sure that you can understand that the family are upset by this whole incident. So it is my request that you step down from any action that has been planned.

I hope we have managed to keep everyone concerned happy.

on behalf of Kanchans Group

Harpreet Baxi (Peter)

If anyone has any questions please feel to call me.

Harpreet Singh Baxi (Peter)

07961 322 026

with all due respect perhaps the family should have thought of this b4

do they not know that sri guru granth sahib ji is our eternal guru (AND THEIRS!)

that guru ji tells us not to drink and the utmost respect must b shown to our guru

we will do what ever it takes for the respect of our guru

we would die for our guru

"AISE GUR KO BAL BAL JAYE"

im sure dat the noone wanted 2 upset them but no one took notice of at the beginning

the family cud not have been more upset than the sangat

we will do wotever it takes to make sure that our pyare guru ji is respected

i thank da family 4 rearranging the wedding

r u aware that the majority of the singh sabha gurdwara comittee(all the elders) are not in support of slough sikh school?

instead they are building a"recreatation centre" where people can rent it out to have parties serving meat and alcohol.

wouldn't this money be better placed going to the slough sikh trust

the other local gurdwara already has a "rec centre"

do u know that the former president of singh sabha gurdwara comittee (Ajit Singh Purewal) approched the police last year at nagar kirtan and asked if they could stop ppl collecting money for the school

they also ripped up and broke the signs before and after it

this year they approached the other local gurdwara and told them that they must support each other, so this year they are not allowing anyone to collect money

we need people like Hari Singh Sewak in the committee who truly have a passion for sikhi and want to lead our youth on the right path

when they won the gurdwara committee elections last year instead of thanking guru ji they went down a pub and got drunk and even drank alcohol in the alleyway of the gurdwara

mr sewak was headteacher of sunday panjabi school for over 25 years and resigned in protest against the building of the "recreation centre" and saying that the money would be better placed funding a sikh school in slough

isn't it shameful that hardly any1 stood with him against this issue more than 3 years ago

it seems to me that the majority of our community are too infatuated with maya to care about our youth- they all want flashy cars and big houses

vaheguroooo

Unfortunately Jatts and Tarkhans are solely responsible today for caste/racial problems amongst Sikhs.

not necessarily tru bhaji

its the whole kaum's fault

he was amazing

beautiful

i can feel ur dukh @ wot happened and ur anger

u r a tru gursikh

did any of our gurus where chandan da tikka on their forhead

from wot i know they didnt

waheguru ji ki fateh

waheguru ji ka khalsa

unfortunately our kaum has forgotten the shaheeds and every thing they gave up for us

they r proud to be indian!!

we still dont have khalistan

our brothers are still languishing in jails for more than 25 years.

there is no justice for the victims of 84 riots. jagdish tytler and saajan kumar are free. they have everything.

ppl lost their whole family in the riots and the indian pm thinks that he can apologise and everyting is forgiven

the congress think dat just cos they got a singh for pm that sikhs will think that things have changed

in 84 the president was sikh. gyani zail singh

what a traitor

the only thing our kaum seems to be interested in is how many houses and cars they have

they only c our pyare satguru ji as "the holy book" and as an "it"

i'm pretty certain singh means lion

how do u no when ur ready

how many bani shud u do a day (min)

currently do four:

japji sahib

anand sahib

rehras sahib

kirtan sohila

just thought that ppl wud b interested 2 no wot happened @ slough nagar kirtan

singh sabha and ramagharia comittees refused 2 let any1 collect money on the nagar kirtan 4 sikh school

then when committee valey saw gr8 gursikhs likemr sewak collecting money for khalsa primary school they got the police 2 forcibly stop them

they disgust me

buildin that stupid rec centre

singh sabha have yet to donate money to school

its up to them if they dont wanna but y stop ppl who wanna donate

something needs to be done

they eat lots of the sangats money

now when i go to the gurdwara i dont give any money

its only gonna go to stupid rec centre

where are all those people now who always go on about doing things in the 'right way'? where are your good 'right' ideas now?

lets hear them. why the silence now? i am starting to think that we are only concerned about slagging the next person off when they actually do something.

there is only 3-4 people actually giving ideas on this thread. they have good intentions but somewhere along the line they will make a mistake and everyone will say they did it in the wrong way.

maybe try talk to other Gurdwaras locally and see if they can help. contact local media. do a petition. do parchaar at the Gurdwara in question about how it is wrong to have alcohol and meat in the Gurdwara funded building.

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the other local gurdwara already has a "rec centre"

do u know that the former president of singh sabha gurdwara comittee (Ajit Singh Purewal) approched the police last year at nagar kirtan and asked if they could stop ppl collecting money for the school

they also ripped up and broke the signs before and after it

this year they approached the other local gurdwara and told them that they must support each other, so this year they are not allowing anyone to collect money

seeing as youre part of the Gurudwara why not rally the youth and fight it from the inside

stage a protest

run for a seat on the committe representing the youth

its basic politics.

make your presence felt so that they bend to what you want - the louder your voice the more likely you'll be listened to.

How exactly do people get on to the committee - who votes them on?

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we did last year and they lost the electiob

simran told me to notify this campaign so i am

r u aware that the majority of the singh sabha gurdwara comittee(all the elders) are not in support of slough sikh school?

instead they are building a"recreatation centre" where people can rent it out to have parties serving meat and alcohol.

wouldn't this money be better placed going to the trust

we need people like Hari Singh Sewak in the committee who truly have a passion for sikhi and want to lead our youth on the right path

when they won the gurdwara committee elections last year instead of thanking guru ji they went down a pub and got drunk and even drank alcohol in the alleyway of the gurdwara

mr sewak was headteacher of sunday panjabi school for over 25 years and resigned in protest against the building of the "recreation centre" and saying that the money would be better placed funding a sikh school in slough

isn't it shameful that hardly any1 stood with him against this issue more than 3 years ago

it seems to me that the majority of our community are too infatuated with maya to care about our youth- they all want flashy cars and big houses

i hope that our kaum can get together as 1 and stop this

bhul chuk maf karna if i have offended any1 or made too many assuptions about the state of our kaum

its seems 2 me dat ppl in punjab think they're not opressed anymore

all they care abt is goin abroad n makin £ and $

ppl think dat jus cos the prime minster of india is a singh dat he will look after us

during the attack on sri darbar sahib gyani zail singh was president- he didn't do nothin 4 us

the majority of the sikhs in the government (apart 4rm simarjit singh mann) have all sold their hearts and souls to the devil

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh

It is important local sangat keeps a close eye on the situation.

We must stop the trend of halls opened by Gurdwara comittees where meat and alcohol are served. This is anti sikh activity and must be stopped.

If I can help then please let me know.

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh

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thanx 4 the offer bhaji but it seems to me dat the problem with our community is that we need to cum togtha as 1 force

if we had done that in 84 then we would have had khalistan now.

people r out 4 themselves only

a protest is a good idea but how cud we get enough ppl 2 join in and aren't there laws in place that we need to have a look at.

the police need to be made aware etc.

ppl arent prepared to risk arrest for what is right

we need some1 who has organised protests b4.

we don't want wat happened in lemington spa to happen in slough (violence)

there r a few ppl inside the comittee who r decent but they have a lone voice.

r u aware that the majority of the singh sabha gurdwara comittee(all the elders) are not in support of slough sikh school?

instead they are building a"recreatation centre" where people can rent it out to have parties serving meat and alcohol.

wouldn't this money be better placed going to the trust

we need people like Hari Singh Sewak in the committee who truly have a passion for sikhi and want to lead our youth on the right path

when they won the gurdwara committee elections last year instead of thanking guru ji they went down a pub and got drunk and even drank alcohol in the alleyway of the gurdwara

mr sewak was headteacher of sunday panjabi school for over 25 years and resigned in protest against the building of the "recreation centre" and saying that the money would be better placed funding a sikh school in slough

isn't it shameful that hardly any1 stood with him against this issue more than 3 years ago

it seems to me that the majority of our community are too infatuated with maya to care about our youth- they all want flashy cars and big houses

beant bhaji

i got to a sikh skool and i feel the same way as u do. i don't call myself indian either and i tell people about 1984.

ppl call be a fanatic and extremist and recently my cousin told me that i take life to seriously and compared me to a nazi.

it hurts to think that nobody seems to care anymore

THE COURT STATEMENT OF SATWANT SINGH

Every court in the land only gave the sentence that Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi had wanted. In the Supreme Court, Bhai Satwant Singh made a statement. He said, "Let any part of my body, after my Shaheedi, be removed and used by anyone (Doner) who may need. However if you need my eyes, let the authorities tell my parents. I have no hatred for any Hindu, Muslim, Christian, neither hatred for any religion. After my Shaheedi, let no Sikh throw any rock at any Hindu. I am not in favour of any retaliation or bloodshed over my Shaheedi. If we do create bloodshed, then there is no difference between us and Rajiv Gandhi. I am Proud of the task that I did! I do ardas in front of Waheguru ! If I am blessed with a human life, then give me a death of the Brave when I am hanged. Forget one life, if I could I would give up a thousand lives to kill dushts like Indira Gandhi, and laugh as I become Shaheed by hanging…."

THE LAST MEETING

His lawyer, Sardar Bhupinder Singh Sodhi was the last to meet Satwant Singh in Tihar jail. Sodhi said, "Beloved Satwant, I am so sorry I was unable to save you from the death sentence. Now this is the last time we will ever meet," the lawyer said as he became emotional.

Sardar Satwant Singh replied, "Vakeel Sahib, you should be making me strong. We will meet again. Promise me you will fight my case next time as well!"

Bhupinder Singh Sodhi replied, "Pyarey Satwant, I do not understand what you are saying? All your appeals have failed. Tomorrow morning, 6th January, at 6am, both you and Kehar Singh will be hanged."

Satwant Singh replied, "Vakeel sahib, whenever Waheguru gives me a human life, I will once again destroy the enemies of the Sikh Nation like Indira Gandhi. The again you will come and fight my case. Those who believe in truth and human rights will always have to fight these brutal regimes. I will keep taking births! I will keep killing dushts! You will keep meeting me!"

Seeing Satwant Singh in such Chardikala, lawyer Bhupinder Singh Sodhi said, "Pyare Satwant, great are you, great is your Sikhi, so blessed am I, who was able to fight the case of a Lionheart, brave warrior such as you. Waheguru ji has blessed me just to have the darshan of you. Any nation that has warriors like you, Satwant Singh, brave, 'mard' [a man], 'soormais' [brave man]. That nation can never be controlled, intimidated or suppressed."

On 6th January 1989, it was raining. Nature was giving Bhai Satwant Singh and Bhai Kehar Singh a blessing, like one gives a garland around a neck. The thoughts of the whole Sikh Nation were with Bhai Satwant Singh and Bhai Kehar Singh. They had taken this most important task, and with it all this heartache had come on them and their families. Both were in Chardikala as they walked towards the noose. It was like the blessings of the whole Sikh Nation were with them as they walked.

In the end, on 6th January 1989, early at 4am, as the authorities walked them towards the noose, their voices could be heard from outside the jail, shouting, "Bole So Nihal ! Sat Siri Akal !"

Then a few moments silence……………

As both of them stepped forward and kissed the hangmans noose, a very heavy rainfall started……….…….

Just as the British had done with Bhagat Singh, Sukhdev and Rajguru. Their bodies were taken to Ferozpur, and cremated on the banks of the Sutluj river. Similarly, the Indian Government did not hand over the bodies of Shaheed Satwant Singh and Shaheed Kehar Singh to their next of kin. Their bodies were cremated within Tihar jail. When the cruel authorities started cremating the bodies, the rain suddenly stopped. Nature was doing its bit to respect the Shaheeds. As the bodies burned, the authorities did not have the heart to hand them back to the families. The lawyer, Sardar Bhupinder Singh Sodhi said to the authorities, I can understand you have hatred for those spirits who killed Indira Gandhi, but how can you even have hatred for their corpses?

Then to further insult the Shaheeds, the authorities dreamed up another stunt. The last wish of both Shaheed Satwant Singh and Shaheed Kehar Singh was that their ashes be taken to Sri Kartarpur Sahib. However the Police forced the families of these two Shaheeds into jeeps and vans and drove them to Hardwar. Throughout the whole journey to Hardwar, it rained heavily. Then at gunpoint giving the families no choice, the final ardas for the Shaheeds was done. Just as the ardas began, the rain stopped. It was like nature was also paying respect to the Shaheeds. Bhai Satwant Singh`s father, Bapu Tarlok Singh, and the son of Bhai Kehar Singh, Sardar Rajinder Singh, poured the ashes in to the river at Hardwar.

The thoughts of the whole Sikh Nation are with Bhai Satwant Singh and Bhai Kehar Singh. The brutal Indian regime may have killed Bhai Satwant Singh and Bhai Kehar Singh, but in the hearts of all Sikhs, they will forever live. They are immortalised in paintings on the walls of Sikh Gurdwaras, and they have recorded their names in the Volumes of Sikh History. They were the modern day Bhai Sukha Singh and Bhai Mehtab Singh.

Bibi Surinder kaur passed away a few years ago from cancer. She was widely respected in the Panth for the dedication with which she stayed with Bhai Satwant Singh.

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that was beautiful

i pray that he and beant singh got mukti

he and beant singh were sp brave and they will live on forever

Guru Fateh,

                        To all peoples over here, i am new joiny to this site, my name is Amrik Singh, EXperience: IBM AIX adminstrator, qualifi.:- electronics engg.

                          Guru fateh to all veers, i came here to need all of ur help and support, my purpose is not gain money,  just revenge regarding riots at delhi.

                          I put some picture on 1984 riots before i explain wat help is needed from u, During 1984 riots many sikh people, babies, females is being ruined out, sikh mens are burnt by putting tyre on there head, sikh babies/childs are burnt on stove or gas .... sikh females are raped, and most who left is put it into big building, this building is refered as "Randi bazaar".

                          I hve written the main things that happen, by listening or hearing this any sikh's blood  get warm, this riots are pre-planned by sajjan kumar jagdish tytler and many hindu-punjabi community guys.

                        But my point none of us has came up to taken the revenge from this bloody RSS or hindus, we are all are well educated, well defined, and well managed people but what about revenge. Dear we all have to come up hiddenly and do the needful for our sikh panth, we young peple only can do this no one else.

                    Writing and listening about 1984 is just become a fashion all of us just show some sorrowness then forget everything, wat about revenge, small brothers are killed sisters are raped........   

                If we all come togeather we can do much more, even no one can know whats happening.

                My main aim is to destroy hinduism and islam from everywhere they reside but this cant be fulfilled without all of ur help. Please support me  my dear veers.

                  Govt. of india previously is try to destroying sikhism by forcefully but know they doing something different i.e they are supporting punjbai music to come up more widely, seeing this bloody singer our 75 % of sikh mens and females has cut there hair, forgetting the truth of sacrifice given by our Guru's, Saheed singhs, saheed bibi's, saheed childs. Govt. has got success in there plan, RSS is planning to convert all sikh's to Hindus so that they all be pronounced as hindu only.

                             

    " kalgi vaaleyaa teree school andaar , kalgi valeeya teree school andar aalaah too aalah padayi hovey,

Na kisey din shutti na kisey // panvey "June" te panvey "July" hovey,   

eesey karkey mey vi sa dakhal hoyaa ,eesey karkey mey vi sa dakhal hoyaa

Par jamat vich jakey dekhyaa ta padaan valyaa dee taddaa te sis koi naa"

          " Boleeey      sooo nihaal        sat sri akaal"

    "Tu puchaada hey ki sikhi heey , sikhi di raah niral heey,

      Ek sikh di sikhi da rakhaa ooh aap kalgiyaa valaa heey"

        Julmaa dee pathar tuut jaandey jaad panja laagey sikhi da,

      ethaas isdaa lamaa heey, kalmaa too jo nahi likhi da,

                  Tatiyaa taviyaa tee jo bethi ooh dekhdi hey ooh sikhi heey"

      Khalsa ji plz comment to this forum topic, i just want to know all of ur suggestion, i know this many people of RSS are here i.e between us to know wats going on in the mind of sikh youngsters, but i dont afraid of anyone.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

Amrik Singh

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sikhi isn't about hate ir revenge

not all hindus were to blame for 84. many of them tried to help sikhs and were killed or beaten in the process

two wrongs don't make a right

rwju jogu mwixE bisE inrvYru irdMqir ]

raaj jog maaniou basiou niravair ridha(n)thar ||

He mastered Raja Yoga, and enjoys sovereignty over both worlds; the Lord, beyond hate and revenge, is enshrined within His Heart.

isRsit sgl auDrI nwim ly qirE inrMqir ]

srisatt sagal oudhharee naam lae thariou nira(n)thar ||

The whole world is saved, and carried across, chanting the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

gux gwvih snkwid Awid jnkwid jugh lig ]

gun gaavehi sanakaadh aadh janakaadh jugeh lag ||

Sanak and Janak and the others sing His Praises, age after age

no true gursikh would do this

even though the mughals were slaughtering men and children and raping their women bhai kanaiyha still offered water to the enemy

a true gursikh has no enemy

in everyone's faces they see the face of their pyare guru ji

you need to leave your hate to the side

justice is what we need not revenge

if there is no other way to get justice then its okay to kill the person that committed the crime not innocents

there was no way that indira gandhi would go to prison so she was killed

remember this crime was not committed by hindus only

sikhs had a hand in it too

gyani zail singh etc.

people like saajan kumar and kps gill do deserve to be killed but not innocent people

sikhs do not kill for revenge, they kill for justice because there is no other peaceful way to get justice

Guru Fateh,

                        To all peoples over here, i am new joiny to this site, my name is Amrik Singh, EXperience: IBM AIX adminstrator, qualifi.:- electronics engg.

                          Guru fateh to all veers, i came here to need all of ur help and support, my purpose is not gain money,  just revenge regarding riots at delhi.

                          I put some picture on 1984 riots before i explain wat help is needed from u, During 1984 riots many sikh people, babies, females is being ruined out, sikh mens are burnt by putting tyre on there head, sikh babies/childs are burnt on stove or gas .... sikh females are raped, and most who left is put it into big building, this building is refered as "Randi bazaar".

                          I hve written the main things that happen, by listening or hearing this any sikh's blood  get warm, this riots are pre-planned by sajjan kumar jagdish tytler and many hindu-punjabi community guys.

                        But my point none of us has came up to taken the revenge from this bloody RSS or hindus, we are all are well educated, well defined, and well managed people but what about revenge. Dear we all have to come up hiddenly and do the needful for our sikh panth, we young peple only can do this no one else.

                    Writing and listening about 1984 is just become a fashion all of us just show some sorrowness then forget everything, wat about revenge, small brothers are killed sisters are raped........   

                If we all come togeather we can do much more, even no one can know whats happening.

                My main aim is to destroy hinduism and islam from everywhere they reside but this cant be fulfilled without all of ur help. Please support me  my dear veers.

                  Govt. of india previously is try to destroying sikhism by forcefully but know they doing something different i.e they are supporting punjbai music to come up more widely, seeing this bloody singer our 75 % of sikh mens and females has cut there hair, forgetting the truth of sacrifice given by our Guru's, Saheed singhs, saheed bibi's, saheed childs. Govt. has got success in there plan, RSS is planning to convert all sikh's to Hindus so that they all be pronounced as hindu only.

                             

    " kalgi vaaleyaa teree school andaar , kalgi valeeya teree school andar aalaah too aalah padayi hovey,

Na kisey din shutti na kisey // panvey "June" te panvey "July" hovey,   

eesey karkey mey vi sa dakhal hoyaa ,eesey karkey mey vi sa dakhal hoyaa

Par jamat vich jakey dekhyaa ta padaan valyaa dee taddaa te sis koi naa"

          " Boleeey      sooo nihaal        sat sri akaal"

    "Tu puchaada hey ki sikhi heey , sikhi di raah niral heey,

      Ek sikh di sikhi da rakhaa ooh aap kalgiyaa valaa heey"

        Julmaa dee pathar tuut jaandey jaad panja laagey sikhi da,

      ethaas isdaa lamaa heey, kalmaa too jo nahi likhi da,

                  Tatiyaa taviyaa tee jo bethi ooh dekhdi hey ooh sikhi heey"

      Khalsa ji plz comment to this forum topic, i just want to know all of ur suggestion, i know this many people of RSS are here i.e between us to know wats going on in the mind of sikh youngsters, but i dont afraid of anyone.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

Amrik Singh

153611[/snapback]

sikhi isn't about hate ir revenge

not all hindus were to blame for 84. many of them tried to help sikhs and were killed or beaten in the process

two wrongs don't make a right

rwju jogu mwixE bisE inrvYru irdMqir ]

raaj jog maaniou basiou niravair ridha(n)thar ||

He mastered Raja Yoga, and enjoys sovereignty over both worlds; the Lord, beyond hate and revenge, is enshrined within His Heart.

isRsit sgl auDrI nwim ly qirE inrMqir ]

srisatt sagal oudhharee naam lae thariou nira(n)thar ||

The whole world is saved, and carried across, chanting the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

gux gwvih snkwid Awid jnkwid jugh lig ]

gun gaavehi sanakaadh aadh janakaadh jugeh lag ||

Sanak and Janak and the others sing His Praises, age after age

no true gursikh would do this

even though the mughals were slaughtering men and children and raping their women bhai kanaiyha still offered water to the enemy

a true gursikh has no enemy

in everyone's faces they see the face of their pyare guru ji

you need to leave your hate to the side

justice is what we need not revenge

if there is no other way to get justice then its okay to kill the person that committed the crime not innocents

there was no way that indira gandhi would go to prison so she was killed

remember this crime was not committed by hindus only

sikhs had a hand in it too

gyani zail singh etc.