SevaSimran333

Who do you say Krishna worships and where does it say this? Can you explain this a bit more? Or are you just speculating? It is best for one not to make disrespectful comments about something one is not knowledgeable of... I will make one more comment~ Not everyone following the same (or similar) path is of the same character, knowledge, or heart. One can probably notice this in 'so call Christian's' who believe in Jesus but do not necessarily practice what he taught. This does not mean that all Christians are following the wrong path, or that all Christian's are bad people only looking to condemn others to 'hell'. What we teach is essentially what Sikhs teach, love for God. This is also what Jesus taught. It is also true that many following the 'Hare Krsna movement' are often seen out in public soliciting donations...but there are also many who chant the names of Krsna but do not go begging for money. The point I'm trying to make here is that like how Christianity has many different 'denominations' or variations in ways of living, so to do those who chant. We do not call ourselves 'Hindu' because we are not. We do not shave our heads or wear orange robes. We simply try to lead a life of Ahimsa, while keeping the Supreme Lord in mind in all of our daily activities. Thank you for taking time with my foolish questions, and lengthy comment. I am a fallen soul searching for the nectar that will satisfy us all. Haribol!

As you mentioned the message of Bhagavad Gita is very simple: We are all Sat Chit Ananada in essence. We are eternal parts and parcels of the Supreme. Our eternal constitution is to offer service unto the Supreme and re-form our loving relationship with Him. When our relationship is perfected out of pure love for the Supreme, we may be admitted back home to Godhead. Haribol Nitaigaur!

Where is GTA? Vipassana is silent meditation practice for extended periods correct?

Thank you for your insight~ Hare Krsna Hare Bol

So in order for 'Me' to create the reality that 'I' wish to, 'I' must be in the 'divine state' in order to see past the illusion of time and space? But once 'I' am in this 'divine state' 'I' no longer exist? Are we speaking of this 'divine state' while still in physical bodies, or is this after we have moved on from the material energy? I am mainly concerned with manifesting the experience that I want now...like you mentioned earlier. But now you are telling me that I don't exist? The question is not a matter of praying for something, it is 'creating the experience we wish to have through repeated thought forms which manifest in this physical reality' because 'We are essentially creators by nature.' You also say "By thanking GOD you place it in your experience." So do I create by 'repeated thought' or by 'thanking God'? Thank you~

Just wanting to clarify what you are saying here good sir: We are all God and we have the ability to manifest any experience that we want to? Now that I am aware of this point, should I not be able to manifest myself into an entirely different situation in life? One say, of immense comfort, free of disease, war and conflict. How long will this manifestation take to happen? Are there certain skills as God that I have forgotten? Because it appears that my situation has not changed...but maybe I have not waited long enough? I feel I have continued to repeat this thought pattern for quite some time now...but I still see my friends becoming ill, hear of atrocious wars across the world and do come across conflict in every day dealings. What must I do as God to truly create the reality that I want to experience? Thank you~

~Gopala Govinda Rama Madana Mohana~ Haribol Soul!

*This all depends on which Guru you are following...some Gurus will say You are great, but even fewer will tell you that God is greater. To say we are as great as God (or we can become so) is to deny the indescribable greatness and glories of God. How can that which has created us, along with everything in existence from the unlimited galaxies down to the insignificant ant, not be far greater than we are? It is easy to speculate and think that one day I will become as great as God...But ask yourself this question right now: Can I do any of the vastly amazing things that God can? Maybe I have a few good qualities that are a bit comparable to God's, but God has Unlimited great qualities. A simple example we can ask ourselves to see if we are God: Can I create a planet? There are an unlimited amount of planets in our material universe, and it seems that God has created all of these with little to no effort. (I'm aware that this may seem like an outrageous question because of course we cannot do such things, but can God not do this and greater acts with ease?) I am also aware that not many will follow this chain of logic and reasoning because it seems too simple. But this is what we practice, humility. We chant in a humble state of mind, feeling oneself to be lower than the straw in the street. If we are truly humble, how can we compare our tiny minds and abilities to that of God's? ~All glories to our eternal Master and Creator! Haribol

Thank you Harsharan000, I really respect the view of yourself and Sikhs, there are many similarities to what we believe, and this is indeed rare to find in the world. I am not hurt by your words, and thank you for your consideration when explaining such sentiments to me. It is a very honorable form of liberation when one is able to merge with the Effulgence of The Lord (White Light, Brahmajoyti, Pure Consciousness). And as another very nice Sikh gentleman mentioned in another topic post, there are a few recognized variations of liberation. One mentioned is that one is blessed with similar bodily features as The Lord (Narayana). We also recognize all of these various stages of liberation, so here we have common ground. I can only guess that they are all extremely blissful in their own beautiful way. I think one of the only minor differences (from reading over what you have mentioned as well as posts in other threads) is the feeling of which liberation is most preferable. It may seem absurd, but for the devotee of Sri Krishna there is no greater 'liberation' than to be constantly engaged in His devotional service. This means that although liberation from this material world is our original blissful state, we as devotees would rather be serving and remembering Him through our actions either here or anywhere else in the cosmic creation. That being said, this cosmic creation can also include the Spiritual world. So one may be blessed to continue with seva in the spiritual sky in direct association of The Lord in His bodily form. The devotee of Krishna does not strive for liberation, but rather strives for the deepest loving connection in service to The Supreme. Libration is simply a side effect of one engaging their life towards loving The Lord and providing an opportunity for other souls do to so too. We read in scriptures like Srimad Bhagavatam, that completely liberated souls (the yogi who is able to merge into the Supreme Effulgence at will) are still attracted to hearing the past times of The Lord. They relish the nectar of chanting His Holy Names (Hari Naam), and are often in states of transcendental ecstasy when remembering Him. For these reasons and many more, we chose to remember Krsna in all situations and circumstances (or at least TRY to). We offer our food to Him. We chant His Names throughout the day, and retell stories of His pastimes here. All of these things bring much satisfaction to the devotee. Thank you again for the wonderful conversation~ Hari Bol! Jaya Gauranga! ~Seva

Haribol! Thank you kind sir~

Thank you for your very sincere reply harsharan000, I very much appreciate the time you committed to explaining and clarifying the Sikh position. ~I would just like to simply reply with a few comments to help clear confusion about our beliefs here. We are not hindu, although many would probably group us into that category because we worship God in his form of Krsna which is traditionally from hindu background. We are sometimes referenced to as being from the Vaisnava Vedanta Satsang. We also do not believe in the trinity that you speak of. It is true that many hindus have the belief of God as Brahma Visnu Shiva, but we are not of that sect. Our belief is simply that Krishna is God in His original form and personality. It is basically saying that we believe God has an eternal form, and an eternal personality, that personality is Krishna. I hope I don't get too confusing here...so I will try to explain (just as you did for me) as thoroughly as possible. The trinity of Brahma Visnu and Shiva, we believe to be demi gods. They all hold posts in this material creation with certain delegated duties. Brahma for instance is believed to be the creator of the material world (Although empowered through God and His energy). Lord Shiva is the destroyer of the material world after the cycle has been completed. Visnu is a bit different... he is said to be an expansion of Lord Krsna, so he is on equal level with Krsna, although in this position as Visnu he is providing the task of Maintainer of the material creation while representing the mode of goodness. We also believe there is only One God. This one God has many names however: Waheguru, Krishna, Narayana, Jehova, Jah, Rama etc. Like Sikhs, we also believe that God dwells within the hearts of every living creature. We are all a part of God's energy. The other principle difference from what you have described in Sikhism is that we believe one retains there personality when making their final journey to the spiritual world. This is in order to relate to the Supreme Person in a loving way. Just as admittedly the Soul does not perish when the body ceases, we believe that one's soul has a personality of sorts in its original spiritual position. This personality is based on the Soul's preference or desired way in which to express their love to The Lord. Our scriptures (Bhagavad Gita, and Srimad Bhagavatam), teach us that we retain our identity, although not the false ego of identifying with this material body. It is said that the devotee of Krsna is only satisfied when he is able to offer devotional service to The Lord. For this reason, the devotee does not ask for anything material from The Lord, but only that he may never forget Him. We also have been instructed that the best way to cleanse our past karma and to obtain pure love for God is the hearing and chanting of His Holy Names (Hare Nama). Since we believe Krishna is our Supreme Worshipable Lord we prefer to chant/sing His names (Rama, Krsna, Hari, Gopala, Govinda, Modana, Mohana) These names have a gradual cleansing effect (which I am sure you are well aware of), that can purify our hearts and minds. Our goal is only to love God as much as is possible, while serving Him in this material manifestation. Our practice is called Bhakti Yoga. The soul's natural desire in life is to love. We want to love somebody or something, and in turn want to be loved equally as much. So, like you, we turn our love to God. This is the only real satisfaction and what can carry us back to Godhead. My question to whomever may wish to answer is this: If one has lost their identity and merged back into Wahiguru, what does one do there? Or what happens to You? If you, as a Soul, has always existed, then what is it that the Soul does in this merged state? Thank you for your time and consideration for my ignorance on these topics, Haribol! Seva Simran

You are right, I know very little on Gurbani. I am only speaking from the topic of this thread, the original lines that were quoted, my personal knowledge of vedanta coming from revealed scriptures and Guru, and a few extra quotes/historical references on Guru Nanak that I know. I simply thought an outside perspective might be healthy for all of us, as the topic pertains to Krishna whom Sikhs generally make little mention of (that I am aware of). If both sides are not willing to listen to each other and the points that are made, there is no purpose in continuing a conversation. I hope what has been said has not fallen on deaf ears. Namaste Souls, Seva Simran

Dear Sir, I am not posting here to provoke or disturb. My intention is simply to point out what your dear Guru Nanak has already said. I am not Hindu or 'Shivsena', for Guru Nanak Himself says "There is neither Hindu nor Mussulman (Muslim) so whose path shall I follow? I shall follow God's path. God is neither Hindu nor Mussulman and the path which I follow is God's." Ek Ong Kar ~ One Creator made this Creation. I am following the path of love for God, as Guru Nanak and many others did. Guru Nanak taught that we should chant and remember God's Holy Name or Naam. We remember the story of Nanak traveling to God's court and drinking the amrita. God then spoke to Nanak: "This is the cup of the adoration of God's name. Drink it. I am with you. I bless you and raise you up. Whoever remembers you will enjoy My favour. Go, rejoice of My Name and teach others to do so. I have bestowed the gift of My Name upon you. Let this be your calling." Is this not a basic principle or tenet of Sikhism? Let us come together to chant and remember God's Name. The names which I have been given are that of Krishna, Rama and Hari. It appears that Guru Nanak was a dear lover of Krishna, in remembering his pastimes and singing His glories. Shall we not do the same? Remember, there is One God with many Names. Haribol Spirit Souls~ Seva Simran

(In reply to panthicunity) Good question. Well, if they were a regular mortal I would be very angry. But if that person was blue, obviously not a normal human being, and caused my sister to feel transcendental ecstasy in the process I would probably be OK with it. In fact, anyone who would be around to hear about such a scene would probably feel that same transcendental bliss because Lord Krsna is involved. 'My Sister' would be madly in love with Sri Krsna, and any activities she got to exchange with Him would be on the highest spiritual platform. This is a very deep subject, not to be easily understood by mere speculation, especially in regards to our normal human activities. These women who had their clothes stolen by Krsna were the greatest of devotees who had spent countless lifetimes perfecting their devotion and service unto Him in order to be able to have pastimes with Him. They were not just ordinary girls. They were Spirit Souls, as all of us are, but in female bodies so that they could express their deep love and compassion for Him. It is true that these girls loved no one more than their dear Krsna. They would literally do anything for Him and in return He has wonderful loving exchanges with them in a very playful yet transcendental way. The book from which this story comes from entitled 'Krsna' or the last canto of Srimad Bhagavatam is considered very confidential literature. It is so because we too easily fall into the trap of comparing Krsna's activities with our mundane human activities. For this reason it is seriously advised by the author that one should first read Bhagavad Gita, and then the preceding cantos of Srimad Bhagavatam to gain full understanding of Sri Krsna's activities in the last canto. This is for our benefit, so that we do not see Lord Krishna as mundane flesh and blood, but truly for who He is as transcendental and fully spiritual, not under the spell of Maya. We also realize from reading these earlier cantos and Bhagavad Gita As It Is, that all of those Souls who incarnated at the time of Krishna and were blessed to have interactions with Him, were indeed the most elevated souls and dearest devotees of The Lord. They had spent countless lifetimes perfecting their service for Him. Sri Krsna is said to be all-attractive, meaning He is the most attractive and the most beautiful. As Guru Nanak writes 'He is adorned with garlands of flowers, with lotus eyes'. Anyone who even caught a glimpse of Krishna during this time felt amazing transcendental ecstasy. The best way for us to be able to come closer in our loving relationship with The Lord is to chant His Holy Names. Guru Nanak has said: ਜਗੰਨਾਥੁ ਗੋਪਾਲੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਭਣੀ ॥ The Lord of the Universe, the Lord of the world; with my mouth, I chant His Name. A few of His names that we can chant are Gopala Govinda Rama, Madana Mohana. There are no hard and fast rules for chanting these names, and they can be added to any spiritual practice. They are universal and non-sectarian. We can sing these beautiful names, or we can chant silently to ourselves on our Japa beads. Thank you again for your question Ji. Haribol Spirit Souls~ Seva Simran

One should express great caution when attempting to compare Lord Krishna with Guru Nanak. Especially when one is making the claim that Guru Nanak is greater than Lord Krishna due to Krishna's pastimes on this Earth that one does not fully understand. It is a grave spiritual mistake to attempt to make Guru Nanak seem great by saying how Lord Krishna was not as great, or by saying that he was 'unable to eradicate cardinal sin'. The comment of how Guru Nanak is greater than Krishna because 'he grew a beard' is borderline ridiculous...I mean really? this isn't a beard growing competition here folks. There is no doubt of Guru Nanak's greatness, and the fact that Nanak is praising Sri Krishna, singing Him to be 'Lord of The Universe' and 'Master of the Three Worlds' should perhaps be a clue of Krishna's true position.