wahegurubhagatsingh

I believe quite the opposite. We shouldn't be too eager to disrespect individual Muslims. However I don't believe I'm under an obligation to dignify any ideology or any set of ideas, particularly one which contends that I'm a hell-bound heathen and originates from as shaky and deplorable a character as the Prophet Muhammad.

Muhammad in many Hadiths and the Quran (possibly authored by him) state that it is simply believing in one God that makes you go to Heaven. That's why the first kalma and the shahada of Islam states: "La ilaha illallah" (There is no God, but the one God, Allah), which is equivalent to "Ik Oankaar".

Bro it was obviously Muhammad. Ask yourself why would Allah appoint a pedophile?

And we need u to help free people from slavery to his fake religion.

And the best way to do that is using the following facts and video's compiled by ex-Muslims.

How the heck can peeps even be doing Dawah when Islam + the Quran are so blatantly exposed as totally false!

Does anybody in the real world believe what a slaveowning pedophile claims God told him!

How can selling innocent children into Slavery or raping female slaves like Islam allows be the laws of God.

We need to defeat Islam by spreading knowledge of what it stands for in order to free people from slavery to it.

I'm not saying that it was Allah/Waheguru who wrote the Quran (and narrated to Jibril who narrated it to Muhammad), but we have to look at this rationally. Humans are susceptible to wanting plot twists and interesting plots in general, why else do we watch television? I think we just want a conspiracy-theory-type-thing to be true, that Muhammad was evil.

So lets put Muhammd on trial. The Hadiths are not 100% trustworthy. In the court of the law it would not be considered good proof. When the Quran says to beat your wife if she is disobedient, if translated by good scholars, it says to lightly beat her as a last resort.

According to a Hadith (which is just about as trustworthy as Janamsakhi Bhai Bala), Muhammad and Abu Bakr at different points in time hit Muhammad's wife Aisha in the chest and it hurt her. She was at least over age 9 and had breasts growing which have many pain recepters as do male genitalS. He had sex with her at age 9 because she already was creating eggs and in 7th century Saudi Arabia, girls were known to mature faster than today.

Maybe you think Muhammad was bad, but don't try to "save" all of the Muslims and leave them with shitty impressions of Sikhs. The extremist ones that you should be worried about are dangerous and never will change from their foolishness probably as hard as you may try. Many are very righteous as the Quran says to be. Sheikh Farid Ji was a Sufi Saint and his writings are in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as are Bhagat Kabir Ji's (who has a Muslim name and whose adoptive parents were Muslims). Guru Hargovind built a mosque and the gurus had many Muslim followers who thought of then as Sufi saints.

So do be respectful. There is no need not to be.

Blessing to you all,

Bhagat Singh

I highly doubt that wahegurubhagatsingh is a sikh. troll alert

On that point I agree with you, brother. Analyse and criticise if necessary, but don't stoop to their level, which is to denigrate, mock, and belittle anything that isn't Islam.

Not all Muslims are like that. Many are not. Some say Muhammad was like that, and again, some say he was not. There's no need to dwell on this point and judge an entire group.

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I like your concept...make it as an improvement of the above app "Sikh World".

Respect is earned through deeds and conduct, not haphazardly assigned to a collective.

I mean we shouldn't disrespect the Muslim religion.

Even still, Muslims are to be respected highly as our brothers and sisters.

Can't tell you about the wider Sikh perspective, but I can, as a Sikh, inform you of my personal opinion.

They're lies. All lies. Or the figments of Muhammad's epileptic hallucinations. If the Koran really was the word of Allah ad verbatim, then our Guru Sahibaan would be little better than frauds, considering that Allah explicitly states that Muhammad is the last of the messengers. There is no room for Gursikhi in this worldview.

Yeah, I can agree with that. The Quran does have many amazing scientific facts in it that weren't discovered until many hundreds of years later...but through sidhs this can be obtained. The Quran does contradict itself though, and the Hadith had many scientific fallacies, whereas the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji contains scientific dacts and no fallacies, but Sikhs don't dwell on those facts miraculously written by the gurus because that's not from where bpur faith is based.

they don't treat Guru granth sahib as a Guru but respect as teachings of previous Guru sahiban , Thakur Dalip Singh is a leader but not 'Guru' will bring 80% of namdhari sangat under Khalsa panth if we all greet them as brothers and sisters since they will follow khalsa maryada. The 'Guru' is Uday Singh and he calls Guru Granth Sahib ji Aad Granth Sahib ji Instead.

No, Thakur Dalip Singh is a Satguru of the Namdhari Panth as well. He is the brother of Uday Singh, the other claiment of the guruship. The last guru Jagjeet Singh never named a successor (possibly the fulfill a prophecy of there being 14 gurus total from the 1800s). Some say that Ram Singh (2nd namdhari guru) will return, but now, three years after Jagjeet Singh's death, this clearly isn't going to happen.

Some factions of the Namdhari Panth named Dalip Singh the next satguru and some named Uday Singh the guru. Now, Uday Singh will have to be the guru because Dalip Singh is returning to the true Khalsa, and many will be brought along with him if we handle this situation correctly.

Some day the Khalsa will unite and some future namdhari guru will return back and accept the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as the true guru. This is an amazing first step.

I wouldn't say there is one shade of blue for Nihangs per se. They are all on the darker side, but can range froma standard blue to a navy blue or dark blue.

The story says that the angel Jibril (Gabriel) dictated the Quran to Muhammad from the mouth of Allah. What is the Sikh perspective of this? Is the Quran written by Allah (Waheguru), Jibril, or Muhammad?

Does one have to be a Sikh to join the Khalsa? I can imagine "Mohammad Singh" or "Mata Teresa Kaur"... When the Khalsa takes rule and ushers in Satya Yuga, Guru Nanak says that there will be one religion - the Khalsa (in Rajnama and Karninama). Sikhs have respect for all faiths, and I feel that the Khalsa isn't just beyond caste, color, gender, or sexual oreintation, but is also beyond religion.

The Khalsa is a thin path to follow of righteousness and being a sant-sipahi (warrior-saint), but it isn't restricted to Sikhs.

What do you the Khalsa Panth yourselves think?

What he means is are you black, white, brown, Chinese etc

Oh sorry...I'm white.

I don't want to intrude too much but you mentioned your family are Christian, are they practising (go to church every Sunday etc.) and if so, what denomination (Protestant, Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox etc.), the reason i ask is that this can make a difference to how they perceive other religions and how they feel if one of their children want to go to another faith.

They are of the UCC (United Chuch of Christ) from a Congrgational Church of Protestant Christianity.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Your parents think its just a phase.

Yeah they do. I was talking to them about this like a week ago and they said "You're only twelve and we know you IDENTIFY AS A SIKH but you can't have kesh". They think I'm still a Christian. But whatever. One day they'll realize, whether it be this life or not.

So just remain open with them, do they know about Sikhi? If not just show them, start with the similarities of Sikhi and Christianity.

I've shown them about Sikhi but I really feel like they were only half listening.

I had cut hair most of my life, and just one day it happened Guru Ji blessed me with Kesh. It just happened, and it will defo happen with you.

Yeah, I recently felt attached to my hair and one time I cried after a haircut. Yeah Waheguru will do kirpaa for me eventually and what a great day that will be.

Its really inspiring to see a young person, not from Sikh family coming into Sikhi. Your really blessed and hopefully you parents will allow you to grow your kesh, if not when your older.

It will be worth the wait, that day when look in the mirror and you look like a Singh of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji, you feel so happy. Just do Ardaas and ask Guru Ji to bless you with the gift of Kesh when the times right.

Hope you remain in Chardi Kala

The Khalsa Panth is awakening. Dhan Dhan Sri Vaheguru that you have blessed my foolish Sikh to begin to walk on the path, no matter how far many home is.

You re,ain in cherdhi kala too!

Wjkk wjkf!

Vaheguru ji ka Khalsa, Vaheguru ji ki Fateh ji..!

I don't mean to be rude, just really curious to What's your ethnicity is?

Its not rude at all

I'm American. Born and raised in America.

You sound extremely intelligent for your age. Do the following over weeks or months if necessary. The goal is not to convince your parents of anything but to educate yourselves as a family. You will grow up continuously and quickly in the next few years. Ultimately you will be deciding your fate.

First ask and learn about everything your parents want for you. What values they want you to have. What hopes they have for you. What concerns they have for you. If you don't have this relationship with your parents, develop it. Use humour, deference, curiosity, whatever is already comfortable in your relationship with your parents.

At some point ask your parents precisely what aspect of this that they have an issue with. Do not argue, rather do your very best to get in a discussion. Pretend it is not about you and you are speaking of someone else's situation from a bird's eye view.

Expect that your parents will make it personal. If they do ask them something along the lines of... 'may we just talk and discuss and learn without trying to convince anyone of anything'... Under no circumstances participate in arguing, it takes 2. If that means you have to exit the discussion and bring it up a few days later then do that.

When they make it personal, listen to them as expressing concern for you. Listen to their concerns and address them. They may base their concerns on wrong information but it does not mean their concerns aren't real and valid as concerns. They may also learn from you.

You want to develop a mutual trust and open dialogue if possible with your parents. You can then show them why you're interested in Sikhi. Tell them and show them online what kind of things interest you.

When the time is right, explain to your parents that so many children are engrossed in negative things...gaming addictions, drugs, online bullying, etc. So many are engrossed in positive passions whether that be gaming, a sport, a sports team, a hobby, martial arts philosophy. Tell them this is part of your passion, part of your identity just like any other child and for you the values are part of learning about life and growing up.

For a Sikh our hair is our spirit. Again when the time is right explain to your parents that you feel like by forcing you to cut your hair, they are cutting your spirit.

You little bro are like the panj piare slowly walking forward. You were not comfortably or conveniently Sikh by family. Some of us never make a choice to be Sikh. We 'love' it, but as a comfortable pride. But your love is definitely headed in the direction of being worthy of great things. In that regard, it is OK that you are challenged in your march and OK to challenge yourself and face hard questions from your parents. The panj piare were challenged to give everything. But they recognized this as being given everything. Your challenges are as you say 'power in Gods hands'.

As mentioned above, rest assured that the time will come soon when you will decide your own fate. Your parents will defer to your choices. In the meantime be strong and get even stronger. Learn learn and learn.

Another person who recognized giving his head as the same as being given everything is Bhai Randhir Singh. Read the autobiography of Bhai Randhir Singh and his amazing strength and perspective to be free in the face of torture. In particular in the latter half of the book.

There is a link here: http://vidhia.com/Bhai%20Randheer%20Singh%20Ji/Autobiography-Bhai-Sahib-Randhir-Singh-Ji.pdf

What religion are your parents bro?

Christian

Are there any Sikhs who live near you?

No.

lain everything to do them. The philosophy and why you want to keep your kesh. They might be scared about why you want to keep your kesh, they might not understand, so try to have an open conversation with them. Don't be scared, remain strong!

If they don't let you keep your kesh and don't understand why you want to do it, wait till you're a bit older. You are still quite young, so just wait till you're older to show them you are serious about Sikhi. Focus on learning about Sikhi, read the Guru Granth Sahib, contemplate its message and put it into practice. Focus on becoming a strong Sikh, when Waheguru does kirpa, you will keep your kesh.

Will do! Thanks for all your help.

Which country are you in brother?

USA

Young brother, please go to your local Gudrwara and advise Panj Pyare of what your parent's intention.

My parents would be my only ride to get me there, and the nearest gurudwara where I am is 45 minutes away by car, so walking or riding a bike isn't an option.

What I do honestly recommend would be is to have an open discussion with them and tell them you love them, but Sikhi is what you love more. It would hurt any parent to hear that their child left the faith they tried hard to keep, but it's just what has to happen to them.

That would hurt there feelings because they always say that they love me and my siblings more than anything. But if that is what I must do I will.

I am a child convert to Sikhi about roughly 1-year-ago. Now I want to keep my kesh and my parents force me to get my hair cut. Technically, I could just sit in place and not get into the car to go to the barbershop, but they treat me different and my life will become a living Hell. The Khalsa way is to explain it to them.I've tried but they say, "this is too far...and you are only twelve...you cannot grow out your hair". What can I do? I know the power is in God's hands, but I still don't know what to do.

Please help blessed Khalsa Panth Ji!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!