JS79

Chatanga

It is not up to you to label what is a lie and what is not. A lier to me is a mahapursh to you. Lol

No my disapproval is he does manmat. He follows and encourages manmat at his dera. He has turned maharajs taksal into his own taksal. As  result of that his true colours have surfaced and that has led him to oppose dhadrianwale. he brough his defeat upon himself. 

Maharaj knows how much faith i have. I do not care how much faith you think i have or have not. I hope maharaj give us all faith and stronger faith.

Yes there is a time and place. I obviously disapprove people saying maharaj ate meat. And so forth. There are endless topics i disapprove. I didnt know this was the umbrella thread in which i am expected to write down each belief of mine. I would rather not drag missionaries down when other things need to be dealt with like gursikhs innocent lives.

I havent opposed the missionaries? You havent opposed bhupinder singhs killings by taksal. You havent opposed the killing of the father or two young sons he was a parcharak. INNOCENT. Oh wait, you wouldnt! Because he has missionary links! Oh yeah. Of course. Lives dont matter as long as theyre not taksali....rise above jathabandis ji. 

I have always spoken my mind. You dont know me at all. Someone hasnot put a gun to my head telling me what to write. Everything i write is my mind my decision my beliefs. 

Okay. I need to go into detail then i guess. Back then Taksal did things, rituals like jyot, but they did them genuinely. The sharda for maharaj was above. They did certain things without following the ritual behind them. They didnt make the petty rituals the maryada. They didnt say you have to wear a gol pagh and no pajami. If someone did not follow the maryada the puratan singhs didnt go militant on them. Taksal was perfect. As in Taksal had the right morals and the aim was panthic!! They gave shaheedi! Taksal was a panthic jathebandi. Sant ji were panthdardi. dhumm is not panthdardi and nor does he have his life in gurmat . Over the years, things that the older singhs did genuinely have now become part of taksal. The taksal at sant jis time was Damdami taksal. You must enjoy my responses because you are obv making me repeat a lot. I do not mind repeating if it helps.  Sant ji and the Damdami Taksal they led was perfect. You seem to be openly suporting the panth gadaar dhumma here. Hmmm. Interesting. 

Actually i supported a missionary comment as soon as the i started responding. I commented on dhundas video pretty early. My true colours are what they are. You dont like them and that is not my problem. In no way have i tried to hide my opinion. I am proud of my beliefs. I am proud that maharaj has given me insight into certain matters. I am thankful to not let taksal put wool over my eyes. 

You feel someone is closer to guru ji if they oppose missionary stories then? Just by Supporting the ancient mahapurshs and preach rituals? 

 I feel someone is closer to guru ji if they make me feel a stronger connection with guru ji myself. I feel if someone makes me feel that way and gives me that boost and helps us live in the present then to me that is a guru ji da asli singh. Not by telling me how mahaan a killer is. 

Chatanga,

Yes. I believe that if maharaj want they can do anything. Maharaj can make missionaries see more sense. There is more hope there becsuse they are on the right track they have the right mindset. That is what i am saying. You just want me to bash missionaries and lick dhummas feet. I will not.

Nevertheless, it is a panthic maryada. Get over it. 

Dhumma forced himself to be jathedar.

What would you prefer? Should we all follow taksals hindu maryada and believe sahibzade are hindu avtars and sarovars cleanse us and jyots enligten our soul? That sand will purify and we should use sand to wash everything? That bhoras are sacred and taksal is higher than the panth? Should we argue against those who use bindiya and viakaran? Should we shoot missionaries? Should we hate on those who question the hindu stories mixed in dasam granth? Should we follow dhummas footsteps? Should we do barsis year after year after year just for the sake of it? Should we follow taksal? I chose PANTH. I am a SIKH. 

Open about your beliefs? To me you seem pretty concrete. How have i said anything secretive. I am saying in no way am i missionary or influenced by them. In no way am i taksali in no way am i nihang. We should tske the good from jathebandis and at this moment in time missionaries and akjs are the only ones with any goodness in them! 

Then again. After each and every response of yours you seem more adamant to try and prove me wrong. By all means go ahead and bash my views and call me rss and this and that.... it makes no difference to me because to me. Taksal was once perfect and it has now gone chaotic and hopeless. 

8 minutes ago, Big_Tera said:

This will be my last post on the subject. 

I am far to intelligent to converse with low grade idiots. Who have no life. And find online forums the only way they can vent their anger of their sad miserable lifes. These are the kind of people who would say boo to a goose. But when they are online indulge in their fantasies of a bad boy wannabe. 

bye bye. And cant wait to tuck into my goat curry . Delicious. 

 

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He is so intelligent his grammar is and sentence structure is perfect. He calls himself intelligent and doesnt know the basics of English.

2 minutes ago, Big_Tera said:

This will be my last post on the subject. 

I am far to intelligent to converse with low grade idiots. Who have no life. And find online forums the only way they can vent their anger of their sad miserable lifes. These are the kind of people who would say boo to a goose. But when they are online indulge in their fantasies of a bad boy wannabe. 

bye bye. And cant wait to tuck into my goat curry . Delicious. 

 

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Because you have nothing to back you up. We have maharaj ji to back us up. They are on our side. How do you know anything about our lives? Tackling gand spread by people like you is a duty as a sikh. 

Enjoy the goat say hello to him from me. 

ਸੁਆਦ ਲੁਭਤ ਇੰਦ੍ਰੀ ਰਸ ਪ੍ਰੇਰਿਓ ਮਦ ਰਸ ਲੈਤ ਬਿਕਾਰਿਓ ਰੇ ॥ ਕਰਮ ਭਾਗ ਸੰਤਨ ਸੰਗਾਨੇ ਕਾਸਟ ਲੋਹ ਉਧਾਰਿਓ ਰੇ ॥੩॥

Under the influence of taste and pleasures of sensory organs, one indulges in intoxicants and tasty food that take one to vices Ang 335

ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਸੁਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ॥ ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਏ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ॥੨੩੩॥

Whosoever takes Marijuana, fish and alcoholic drinks; all his pilgrimages, fasts and performance of religious practices shall go waste ang 1377

In life only gurbani will help you and give you strength. Not goats. Please read gurbani yourself and you will understand. 

Just now, Big_Tera said:

Lolz looks like the veggi mafia are out to get me 

hahaha

Your hate just makes me stronger. aloo gobi parathe for you. losers

You mean it makes you more 'Chamleya' (hyper). Hate is a strong word. We are allowed to have opposing views. Its a free world.

Losers? You portray yourself like a high school boy. 

Look at our role models our elder gursikhs the gursikhs the good parcharaks. They dress simple eat simple. "Sada pehnana sada khana".

Parothe are healthy. 

11 minutes ago, Mahakaal96 said:

What have taksalis done about dhumma?

Some taksalis speak up. Rare but there are a few. Other current taksalis believe dhumma is a satkaryog mahapursh cough cough. Some taksal 'supporters' believe sant never gave shaheedi and ran away and will come back when they are 200 years old and give khalistan. So they do not believe in jathedars. Some believe sant are not shaheed and still support dhumma. I cant get my head around that one. Others have made their own little branches and prefer to stay neutral because they dont habe the courage to oppose taksal. Their famous line is 'it is damdami taksal that 10th master created himself therefore i will do no nindya of what baba harnam singh does". The majority of taksalis as in mehta/bhindran ones support dhumma so what have they done?  They have followed his plan and brought the drinks and done a shabeel accoring to his instructions. They have protected him. Charanjit singh his right man has openly promoted the killing. The taksalis who disapprove of dhumma have kept their distance like the ragis because dhumma is dangerous. He is not true sikh. What else have taksalis done. Well gave more and more open death threats and degraded taksal further. 

Just now, Prokharkoo84 said:

Correct everything has life, but eating the body of a soul belonging to the churasi joon isnt correct. Guru Arjan Dev Ji Maharaj showed remorse in even hurting a flower. And noone can test the first Shaheed of the Sikh Quom.

Correct.

Once sant kartar singh jis car hit a bird. The bird died.

 Sant ji was disheartened they stopped the car and the did a burial and ardas themselves. They didnt think 'oh lets eat it'

14 minutes ago, Prokharkoo84 said:

I doubt Big Tedh can even step outside his own ends without flapping it, let alone hunt any panth dhokhi down.

Yes. Of course they wont try. Taksal has done maaf to sirsa wala. The head of rss? They adore this rss. Rss has snailed its way in turn to any direcrion Rss is almist everywhere. Current taksal has turned into rss headquarters. 

They only have energy to shoot when it comes down to dhadrianwale. You ask reasons they say 'sarovars...bhoras... this and that'. Yet rss is corrupting us our gurughar our jathebandis and these so called 'warrior militant singhs' believe everything is fine. They are totally blinded. Theyre in love with jathabandi. 

What you refer to as panth dhoki they see as their saviours. 

3 hours ago, Prokharkoo84 said:

 go hunt sirsa wala, pianara baba, gill baba, the head of rss and the hoodrat suleh groomers down? 

That would be a lot of cooked meat in the end. Oh but it is all okay in the name of jhatka. Lol

3 minutes ago, Prokharkoo84 said:

 the likes of Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindrawale, Baba Manochahal, Sukhdev Singh Babbar, Fauja Singh etc werent because they never ate meat? 

Spot on.

Lets see what he has to offer for the panth.

Maybe he will do balli of a bakra. And he will be rememebered forever. (Sarcasm).

33 minutes ago, Prokharkoo84 said:

Excellent post and very true. I dont agree with the cussing of real Nihangs or the AKJ but the rest is bang on. If and when a war involving Sikhs does break out, there wont be need to chop bakreh etc up, will be more similar to how the Khalistan sangaarsh was e.g. foot soldiers eating at different residences or in camps. Aint just the Nihangs tho prophesizing about future wars, look at the Sikh disapora, most want to be Khalistanis, dress up weaing AK47s, but who can actually fire one? owns one? or most importantly has the balls to actually use it on an anti quomi target? Hence why you gotta rate the Singhs who are keeping it real lke the ones who have done recent hits on RSS and sirsa lot.

Agreed. Akjs and real nihangs like hareeya vela wale did so much pyar to bhindranwale. 

In this topic I do agree to a great extent with what Akalifauj says above regarding wartime: "chopping goats heads fof their tongue". How can a guru ji da sikh every justify such things. 

Also, yes at the time of battlefield singhs may have turned to it as a last resort but even still, it does not mean we should find any excuse to do so. Maharaj knows why the singhs did that and can we do their 'rees' they are on another avastha and maharaj do such things in their moaj. We can not always understand their reason or mouj. We dont follow the other basics, the singhs were of high character and by the way somome said the f*** word clearly that is not of a high clean character to use such foul and manmat language. Then you do rees of shaheed singhs in battle. 

Again, true. Shops dont sell loose animals for us to kill. It is a imvalid scenario to say 'what will happen in battle if we run out of food'. If maharaj was in battle today abroad who knows maybe they would not have let singhs eat meat. Who knows. Times change. 

I can see people disagreeing to what i will say now but i whole heartedly believe that maharaj did shikaar and hunting to make the animals mukat. Not to guide us to eat animals. Maharaj and the singhs were kind. Animals are innocent and killing innocemts is wrong whether it be a parcharak or even an ant. 

If you are going to do rees of shaheeds then go and give shaheedi. Go and live in the jungle in a forest in somewhere like himachal pardes. Silly trying to justify meat eaters. 

1 minute ago, chatanga said:

 

I'm not here to prove anything. I say it as it is. But I suspect that you are not being honest here. I have asked several times already. Yet you like to insult others.

 

 

 

OK, so its gone from 1 Singh to 5 Singh now has it?

 

 

You said that Sikhs being sabat soorat is the best. Iasked you if sabat soorat people like i listed were included.

 

 

Where is your anakh concerning the missionaries? You are very observant of what Baba harnam Singh does yet asleep when it comes to what the missionaries are doing. Or maybe you are supporting them but are afraid of being open about it?

 

 

OK, so where does the maryada at parmeshardwar come from? Is that a personal maryada?

 

Baba harnam Singh DID put the panth before everything, and you insulted him.

 

 

Well that tells me how little you know. yet you giving it so much.

Thing is can support who i want without being middionary.

Oh lord. The 5 singh story is the story about sharda. You are easy to lecture me yet you dont know the famous sakhis. 

I think you were being sarcastic listing kps gill etc. 

There is hope with missionaries. If they have made mistakes there is hope. There is no hooe with dhumma he is a MURDERER. I think i have explained my stand pretty well. 

Parmeshardwar? You spend time picking faults so hows about you listen to the diwan before assuming. People who do will know they promote akal takht maryada. That is A panthic maryada. They say its not perfect but more perfect than other ones. Atleast it gets us all on onr platform! Dhumma wants taksal maryada at akal takht but that is a backward step and sangat most likely wont approve it anyway. He can try. 

Nope. Harnam singh puts himself first. Sarkari. We could continue this but yout beliefs wont change mine and mine wont change yours. 

Chatanga. 

Either you do not seek answers but want to prove dhumma is good, or you are genuinely not getting anything we are saying. 

Point of the 5 singh sakhi, the moral is that we should seek to do darshan of maharaj through tyar bartyar chardikala singhs if we wish. This is when maharaj done jyoti jyot. I cannot explain it any simpler ji. 

No. You said kps gill is sabat surat. I made the comparison why your response is random. 

Your remark about being humble. We can br humble and have anakh and courage to speak up. Being humble doesnt mean keeping your hesd down and being apologetic. 

It is okay if you dont rate the response as humble. You are not the one putting our humbleness on a kasvatti. 

The best to me are the ones who are above the jathebandis and break free from the rituals. The best are who put panth at the heart of everything and live according to gurbani. Not according to personal maryadas. 

Badal came to Dhumma? Doesnt look like it. And even if he did sadly Dhumma didnt have the courage to turn him away. Sad days. 

I believe there should be no jathabandi. Yes i am a sikh, proudly. 

30 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

This coward has been insulting Taksal non stop.  I bet you this coward doesn't even have the heart to ask questions to a taksal Singh.  His mother finally got him dial up internet and he thinks he is the new queen of the hut.  Like gunda dhumma and dhunda this guys is a loud mouth.  Waving his arms around like a retard hoping someone will help test out his dial up connection.  You can't even join yourself to Gurbani feet and you are trying to grab taksal throat.  Taksal is the blood line and heart of the Khalsa Panth.  You don't have a clue of their seva and neither will you know.  All you cowards can do is keep barking.  No gyan, no heart, no brains, or anything.  Ever seen the air balloons flapping around in front of stores.  That's you professor sahib.....give it a two seconds.....now he's a doctor.  Congratulations retard.

Evidence above. Hot headed they get^ how can 'gursikhs' use foul language like reta**. 

You have no clue about me whatsoever so stop presuming you do. 

Taksal is not the blood line of khalsa. It is a jathabandi. Nothing more.

I am not the person grabbing taksal by the throat. We all know dhumma is suffocating himself.