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5 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
I've seen a few paintings from way back explicitly mentioning juts as the subjects, and they were all dressed like this.
I've read numerous gazetteers from the 19th and 20th century that mention unbleached Kurta & chaddar as main dress and a white sheet for summers (in relation to Jats). They also specify the colours worn by different communities and religions (e.g. Hindus refrained from Green and Sikhs preferred blue).
This is from Malva region 1883, where Panjabis co-resided with Bagris.
Rural communities dressed similar. This is from the Tarkhan community of Panjab.
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13 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
Might as well do it now. All you juts, this is how your recent ancestors really dressed - the saucy sods! Probably why dasmesh pita brought kasheras in! lol
Thats not the main dress. It's called a "jhaangiya" which was worn by sports-players, wrestlers and working men sometimes but it wasn't the normal or main dress.
1883 description of mens clothing
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2 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
I've seen pre-annexation paintings! People working in heat like that stripped down. lol
Ideas of modesty were different. I have a collection of old paintings, drawings and photographs to observe the changes in clothing. There are drawings and photos of women openly breastfeeding, as it was seen as natural. Today, something like this would be unimaginable in Panjab!
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5 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
Yeah, one day I'll show the forum what the true 'scantily clad' dress was for jut men, before the big skirt somehow snuck its way in.
Depends on district. I've read several books and gazetteers on dress and it depended on weather, district/area and religion. For example, most men in Panjab regardless of community used to wrap a unstitched white sheet around the torso in summers and stitched shirts were only worn in winters. A short "Choli" blouse was worn by some communities but it became discouraged as more people adopted Victorian ideas of modesty. Even Indian Sari's didn't have a blouse, it was first introduced by Jnanadanandini Devi to uphold British ideas of modesty in public. Same with attitudes to breastfeeding became more closed, earlier it was considered very normal to do it in public but it was later shunned.
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On 7/27/2022 at 9:24 AM, dallysingh101 said:
Promoting bhangra singers to political leaders is a major fudhoo move too.
What does that say about our lot................
Bhangra isn't even Panjabi culture, its an amalgamation of many dances and hip-hop. Why is this being promoted on such an extensive scale?Why can't they promote sports on the same level?
I'm an avid reader of Panjabi history and no one dressed like these Bhangra-dancers, which many claim to be epitomes of Panjabi culture.
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5 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
No one at corporate level is even trying to think of solutions - let alone actually implement them. That's the real problem. It's mental laziness too, we've had that issue of dwindling landholding since forever. Previously, pendus would jump into the army to try and get a steady income to make up for the shortfall. Now they'll run off to the west. Is this sustainable in a rapidly changing and unpredictable world?
I don't know as Sikhs (not Panjabis or farmers) how we expect to have any global relevance or influence if we are perpetually stuck in this stuff. I think all nations will now be dealing with unpredictable weather due to climate change which will especially effect agriculture. For a state that actually revolves around farming, the lack of innovation and problem solving, and the lack of anticipation of issues I'm seeing in Panjab is disturbing. It's like 'let's forget everything and enjoy now, and then cry later'.
Is putting so many eggs in the farming basket the crux of the problem in any case?
Nah, it's deeper than that actually (in my opinion), I don't think our lots mindset and culture in general is one that can compete with more developed states. Dare I say it, I think a lot of our lot are actually at home in ignorance and prefer it that way.
Definitely, there is a severe lack of strategic goals or planning from government, agricultural universities and people. I wouldn't even consider educational institutes in Panjab as 'educational'. Many schools are 'convent' which push missionary behaviour and the English = superior mentality and universities are homes of corruption.
It also doesn't help when people elect governments based on freebies. People need to get over freebies and actually demand governments to take real action if they want votes.
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39 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
Yeah, I agree, but the way farmers used pesticides and fertilisers in the past i.e. not measuring and using the correct ratios and just guessing it, tells us a lot about the brains involved and how well they can follow procedures and technical matters.
The Green revolution introduced and really pushed the use of pesticides, fertilisers and chemicals in crop growing. A lot of farmers I've talked to aren't happy with using them either, but they say they have to in order to make the crop grow now and make a living income. I understand their situation as well, many farmers in Panjab are now small landowners due to land being split every generation and they struggle to make an adequate living.
In Panjab, land is split among brothers. This is also a contributing factor to lower fertility rates nowadays, because people only want one or two sons so the land isn't split into even tinier sections among them in the future. This is also one of the main reasons for mass-exodus from Panjab.
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2 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:
Thing is, the farmers will walk into this mess with their eyes open, and then blame everyone else when it all goes wrong. They don't seem to have any adaptability over there.
The government should invite experts to hold mass seminars throughout Panjab to help people understand the implications in Panjabi.
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1 minute ago, dallysingh101 said:
It's not completely hopeless. The 5th generation of my family have been born here. The father (my nephew) suddenly grew his kesh and wore a dastaar (I think under pressure from his dad) and his young son has his kesh and a patka.
I don't know how well the Panjabi is going though. I think it may be a case of having to take the boy back home for a few weeks. This sorts them out from past experience - unless they are hardcore special needs.
It's not all hopeless, but with the majority it is. Good on your family though.
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1 minute ago, proudkaur21 said:
dumb punjabis have turned sikh celebrations into food parties where people only come to eat food.
He didn't even understand Panjabi (video was from Canada I think).
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10 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:
They distance themselves from their culture and Sikhi as they see whites as superior ,how are these people going to do anything for Sikhi? I don't know why sikhs never made any effort to convert these downtrodden people in India. Punjabis need to become minority among Sikhs as they have proven they are not worthy of it.
Today, I saw a video of a reporter at a Sikh rally asking a young western Sikh "how many panj pyaare are there" and he replied "4 or 6". So no knowledge of Panjabi (at least he could've understood panj means 5) and Sikhi.
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15 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:
yup true. I dont think i have seen many 3rd generation sikhs here in Canada at all. What happened to the ones that came in 1900's? One of the person's family is completely white and even changed their last name to some white one. But liberal low iq sikhs will tell you this is okay. Then why does everyone get assimilated into whites only if love is blind? I never see these mixed people marry back into the poc side ever.
This reminds me of a Panjabi saying. The saying's a bit harsh if you know it (the Dhobi one, but it means you're left with no side to go to). Panjabi and Sikhi won't survive among most 3rd/4th generation Panjabis in the west and it will be decreasing in Panjab too due to rife immigration and people from other states coming in. So you're negatively impacted on both sides.
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8 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:
yup true. I dont think i have seen many 3rd generation sikhs here in Canada at all. What happened to the ones that came in 1900's? One of the person's family is completely white and even changed their last name to some white one. But liberal low iq sikhs will tell you this is okay. Then why does everyone get assimilated into whites only if love is blind? I never see these mixed people marry back into the poc side ever.
Many earlier immigrant groups are an example of this. How many 3rd generation immigrants of non-English European origins still speak their language? They're completely assimilated but since Panjabis can be considered "newer" immigrants, they still live under a false impression that their great-grandkids will speak Panjabi and be Sikh. These people think listening to Panjabi music makes them "Panjabi" even if they don't understand a word.
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On 7/26/2022 at 10:50 PM, proudkaur21 said:
one would say oh the people suffer from poverty so they are desperate but you see well off people doing this stuff to go to foreign countries by any means possible.
Plenty of people suffer from poverty yet they appear much more content with life than some well-off people in Panjab.
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1 minute ago, proudkaur21 said:
and they are literally killing each other here in Canada. Have you seen how many young punjabis die in BC area? Joining gangs and then killing each other off. The hell are these people going to do for Sikhi or Punjab? And then dumb news reporter were calling these people Sikh.
Going in the west has actually damaged Sikhi more than benefiting it. Most children of immigrants will fully assimilate in a few generations, they won't speak Panjabi anymore or be Sikh (and many have already let go into the 2nd or 3rd generation). And since everyone is migrating, it will diminish Sikhi in Panjab further.
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10 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:
do you think any other group of people participate in such things to such an extent?
I don't think so.
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12 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:
Judge asks for killer who stabbed a student to death for rejecting his marriage proposal to be hanged on LIVE TV in Egypt
- Mohamed Adel, 21, was found guilty of murdering his university classmate Naira Ashraf when she rejected his marriage proposal outside Mansoura University
- He stabbed her several times, in her neck and chest, in the Egyptian city
- The court that sentenced Adel to death has requested to change the law around capital punishment so that the execution of the killer can be aired live
Chilling footage shows Adel attacking Ashraf outside Mansoura University near the Nile Delta on 20th June. She was just about to sit her final exams, according to local media
Naira Ashraf, a student at Mansoura University, was stalked and brutally killed in June
Killer Mohamed Adel, 21, was found guilty of murdering his university classmate Naira Ashraf when she turned down his marriage proposal. An Egyptian court is asking parliament to broadcast his execution live
Ashraf was stabbed several times, including on her neck and chest, local media said
Similar incidents
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8 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
'Agents' over there are even sending females into dubious situations where they get abused and exploited. That says a lot.
The moral fibre of our society seems to be fragmenting. But often this leads to a backlash. Hopefully we'll have a Sikh revolution there soon.
Even men are ending up in dangerous locations. A revolution soon is a must but I highly doubt the possibility of one. Another problem with people there is they don't listen to meaningful advice, they believe you limit their chances of "success" by deterring them from something potentially harmful like this:
27 Panjabis killed in Iraq after being abducted
Panjab women duped and stuck in Muscat goes viral, Amarinder asks for MEA help.
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On 7/26/2022 at 9:58 PM, MisterrSingh said:
Any ideas as to what the response should be (to Punjabis) when people like us comment negatively on these kind of occurrences? They make the - admittedly valid - argument that we're only in foreign lands because our fathers, grandfathers, etc., came over. They claim that we don't have a leg to stand on when we criticise current Indian behaviour. Any ideas?
You can say past immigrants didn't resort to morally low ways to immigrate such as, "contract" marriages which are rife in Panjab now, abandoning "husbands" leading to suicides or turning Gurdwara's into places of blind ritualism. They also didn't heavily pollute Panjab's landscape with IELTS centers and visa agents on every single corner which rip you off and aren't genuine.
Punjab man marries his own sister (2020)
Young man commits suicide after wife goes to Canada
'IELTS brides’: The business of marriage in Punjab
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13 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
On another forum a canuck brother was saying that lots of middle eastern refugee women who'd settled in the Toronto area with their families were leaving them and running off to BC at the first opportunity.
I think maybe when we come from quite a controlling society, and then suddenly get thrown into a greater level of freedom, people firstly go mental, and run a mile away from their previous societal structure. You have to teach people to sit inside freedom when they aren't used to it - or they will be like a poor, starved kid let loose in a candy shop.
Personally, I don't think Panjab is a controlling society (compared to the middle east). I was quite shocked last time I went, its becoming increasingly liberal due to immigration.
Barely any young man wears traditional clothing (both rural & urban) and women are adopting western clothing (in cities/towns). Almost everyone in villages has access to smartphones, social media and the internet.
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Just now, dallysingh101 said:
Doabans on the forum be like:
Are you Malvai?
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5 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
Where is 'here' to you? Australia?
Yes
5 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:Also, as (I think you?) posted previously. There are often big intelligence/intellectual differences between some rural Panjabi males and females, which we can tell by how often the females have to do certain courses to immigrate, that the bloke is too thick to do. That must be torturous.
I posted about the mass-exodus and the issues it brings. One of them is rural (and urban) boys who have the money just make the girls do the exam, sometimes they get abandoned because the girl usually goes alone. There have been cases of these guys resorting to suicide because the girls abroad didn't respond to their texts.
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12 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:
The people who emigrate from Panjab today do not remotely, look, act or think like the older original immigrants that I remember.
I These advertisements are everywhere, on shops, polls, news channels, radios.
They're visually and mentally disturbing. I visited a few years back, when people discover you're from overseas, they ask you for immigration advice and make you to talk in English so they can perfect their own English! I won't be surprised if children forget their 'oora-aira' because English is becoming so ingrained.
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7 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
The people who emigrate from Panjab today do not remotely, look, act or think like the older original immigrants that I remember.
The very young ones who come without family/partner aren't the best. They think coming abroad gives them a free pass on everything, including cheating (e.g. abandoning partners). There have been cases of suicide due to this.
From what aunties say, recently immigrated girls dress worse than those raised here (who are still somewhat modest).
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Well that backfired! Indian minister, 48, drinks dirty water from 'holy' river polluted with sewage to show locals it's safe... before he's rushed to hospital after falling ill
in POLITICS | LIFESTYLE
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Found some information on this dress. It's called a "Janghia" and it wasn't the main dress. But it was worn during physical-work by some, the dhoti or Chaddra was still the main garment. Once they became baptised into Sikhi, it was replaced with a Kachera.