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  1. Appalling behaviour! I have heard from people in Panjab that this is more common in "Majha" region as women there traditionally don't engage in agricultural or animal-related work. Women of Malva take care of animals (milking and feeding cows/buffaloes and picking up their waste) while it's traditionally a man's job in Majha culture.
  2. https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/sikh-christian-die-targeted-killings-pakistans-nw-98290252 Sikh, Christian die in targeted killings in Pakistan’s NW Pakistani police say a Sikh and a Christian have been shot dead in separate targeted attacks in the northwest city of Peshawar PESHAWAR, Pakistan -- A Pakistani Sikh businessman and a Christian cleaner were shot dead by unknown assailants in separate incidents in the northwestern city of Peshawar, police said Saturday. Gunmen on a motorbike opened fire on Sikh shop owner Dayal Singh when he was in his grocery store and fled the scene, said police officer Haroon Rasheed. He said an investigation was underway. Rasheed said police have found evidence from surveillance camera footage and will soon be able to identify the gunmen. Ranveer Singh, a representative of Pakistan’s minority Sikh community, said the businessman had no problems with anyone. He said Sikhs are feeling insecure as 11 members of their community have been killed in recent years. The minister for information and religious minorities in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, where Peshawar is located, assured Sikhs the culprits will be arrested and there will be steps to protect minorities. Feroze Jamal Shah Kakakhel also announced compensation of 500,000 rupees for Singh’s family. A Christian man, Kashif Maseeh, was shot dead by unknown attackers on Saturday. He was attacked while returning from his job as a cleaner for local authorities. It was the third targeted killing in two days. Prominent Hindu doctor and eye surgeon Birbal Genani was gunned down in Karachi on Thursday. Police superintendent Zubair Tanoli said Genani received a fatal gunshot to the head. Religious minorities often face violence in Pakistan, even though the country’s Constitution guarantees them equal rights and the freedom to practice their faith
  3. I came back from Punjab after spending 4 months. That isn’t the case, you’ll be safe at Delhi if you don’t bring up politics. Similarly, you’ll be unsafe at Amritsar if you bring up current politics. Haryanvi’s can be quite nice. I know Sikhs living in Haryana and our relations with them are good.
  4. There's also plenty of historical sites to explore in southern portion of Punjab, outside of mainstream Amritsar if you venture into those regions. Sirhind, Fategarh Sahib and Ropar Ucha Pind Sanghol, thousands of years old - east Punjab's Harrapan heritage, ancient Bhuddist stupa's, Gandharan art aam-khaas baagh complex Bhora Sahib (only surviving Gurdwara portion with original architecture) Sultanate era buildings with great stonework Ludhiana Ghanta Ghar Really nice and cheap museums (social history & rural life, Maharaja Ranjit Singh war museum various Ludhiana forts. Faridkot Tilla Baba Farid Kila Mubarak dating back to 1215. Bathinda Kila Mubarak - the oldest and most majestic fort in Punjab with a 19th century Gurdwara at the top Hand written hukamnama's of Guru Gobind Sahib stored at Talwandi Sahib Smaller forts belonging to local rulers are present in certain tehsils
  5. Amritsar airport to Moga is definitely more than 2 hours. It takes a lot longer usually than what's written on Google. Delhi to Punjab can be quite good depending on the route the car takes, some routes have better roads and are quicker. You won't feel tired if you stop along the way as well. Moga people and generally all southern districts all speak Punjabi, even the local Hindus. Only ones who won't might be Bihari labourers in cities. People in southern Punjab districts wear more Kurta Pyjamas than other districts, especially if you wear a white one, you'll blend right in.
  6. There's bus service called Indo-Canadian operating from Delhi to main cities of Punjab (like Ludhiana). Never tried it but I know people who have and heard it's quite safe and stops along the way at restaurants. From Ludhiana, you can take a local bus to Moga city and book a hotel (don't know much about Punjab hotels as I never stayed in one). You can book online for the bus. I've travelled to Punjab for a long time, as a local of that area, it's perfectly safe. Just take normal pre-cautions. Local shop food in Punjab is safe to eat if you can handle oil, masala's, etc. You don't have to worry about being targeted because of being Sabat Soorat. Seen plenty of Sabat Soorat men and Nihangs and no one targets them. Police are not an issue, they don't bother anyone whose trying to get by their life normally. You can keep a few hundred rupees in your pocket just in case you do get into trouble with them in an unlikely incident. To blend in, Try to dress like a local. Wear a white Kurta-Pajama or simple western clothing Pretend you're just visiting from another Indian or Punjab city (don't tell people you're from abroad as you can get overcharged for cheap things) Communicate in local Punjabi as much as possible or speak in an Indian accent if you can't. But some NRI's have accents that give it away easily. Bargain when you're buying things (apart from food places or if the shop specifically says "fixed price"). Bargaining is great and you can bring down the price by half. Lastly, just enjoy your stay, there's a lot of history to explore in Punjab too apart from the mainstream/popular places like Wagah border, Harmandir Sahib or Chandigarh.
  7. You won't find exactly what you're looking for in Punjab. Some people get their outfits customised there. So you can buy fabric of your choice from a local shop get it dyed from a fabric dyer (very common in Punjab) give an embroidery design you want made to artisans take that embroidered fabric to be stitched to a tailor This process can take 2 weeks or more. This can be done in any city of Punjab.
  8. They're completely different songs. If you think the video may have similarities, then those kind of videos were common in that era for many songs.
  9. I agree with some of your points and understand where you're coming from regarding Gurdas Maan (he has been quite problematic) However, Not all old Baba's keep a long beard and hair. It sometimes depends on regions of Punjab too. Personally, I've come across Sikh Baba's who wore/wear a "Haryanvi"-style white turban and don't keep hair on their heads/long beards. This isn't a recent trend, I've personally seen old black & white photos where Baba's were like that. There are also some old Baba's in villages who are Hindus and some of them don't keep long beards but still wear a turban (as it's cultural, not just religious). So the Baba in Maan's video may be a Hindu? But I agree with you as well, Maan should've showcased more diversity in his video and included several long-bearded Baba's. People playing cards in the video are most likely not gambling. Playing cards is a very common pass time for middle aged and old men in rural Punjab and they gather in the evenings to play. Regarding the military shown, I understand why Sikhs will have a problem with it due to history. But in reality, most rural Punjabis don't have a problem with the military (experience in southern areas of Punjab). They actively join it and see it a great "career" so that's why Maan showed it in his video. Albeit, the trend has now shifted to moving abroad rather than joining the army. Promoting alcohol is very wrong, he shouldn't have endorsed it. And I agree, singers/actors need to stop bringing up the partition in every song/movie. We have plenty of history and beautiful Haveli's, Qila's, medieval buildings, ancient/Indus valley civilization sites, etc in east Punjab too that no one bothers to explore/preserve as we're so stuck in pre-partition era. We're neglecting east Punjabi history over the long gone British Punjab.
  10. It varies. For example, some districts have more expensive land due to better quality soil while others are cheaper.
  11. 5aaban

    Vintage Punjab

    High buns were quite popular in that era. However, that high-bun look here is created with a dome-shaped jewellery known as a Saghi Ful, which was braided and secured in the hair. Married Punjabi women in the past wore this. Other than covering their head, some Sikh women also wore large white chadors. This practice used to be common in villages till some decades ago. These days the push has been towards women wearing turbans. I think many more women would be open to covering their head with scarfs/Dupattā than wearing a turban.
  12. Thats why Sikhi is fast declining in Punjab. These numbers are nothing to get excited over because when it increases in one country, it decreases in Punjab.
  13. 5aaban

    Vintage Punjab

    No the vast majority didn't wear any sort of turban/keski. A Panjabi Dupattā/Fulkari/scarf was the preferred head covering. A long plait, braids or a high or low buns were common hairstyles. 1890. A Sikh grandmother, her daughter, and granddaughters (Source: Bonham’s auction lot 306.) 1875. Amritsar. Sikh girls enrolled in a school Early depictions of women at Amritsar painted by William Carpenter in February 1854.
  14. Actually it was kept much before that in Panjab. It was known by a different Panjabi name ("Karue da vart"). The Hindi term "Karvachauth" was popularised through soap operas although the concept of the fast itself existed before that in Panjab. A bunch of other fasts existed in Panjabi society too on punya, masya, etc.
  15. From the book Sikhs of the Punjab written by R. E. Parry in 1921. "No one is a Sikh by virtue of birth" Diet of Sikhs
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