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to dear sanggat...im writing here is on the behalf here the local commitee and sanggat of Gurdwara as we has come to conflicts in our view about the function of sach khand...

it start when we realise the exsiting sach khand ( size 10'x5')which is made of plywood and has decay... so we had form a building fund commitee to do the neccesary renovation in darbar sahib...

now we already have enogh fund and planing to make a bigger sach khand (size 10'x20')..

bt nw the prob is..the gurdwara commitee is asking to preapare enough space so that parkash of Guruji can be done IN sach khand and small progam can be done there....we had a big arguement bout it yest...as we prefare that space to fuction as SAch Khand only....

i even told them to imagine if they are sleeping in their room and some one else come in at nite and start to talk and do work...& what will they feel about it...but they put me down by saying that im being too fanatic and so on...(by the way out of 10 commitee memeber 8 of them are heavy drinkers)..

so what im saying is that we may be wrong or maybe our view are wrong...so here i hope..that all of u can give me some guide lines or opinion about this matter...the renovation gona get start by nxt week...and it gona take around 4 months...so we around 2 months...

i attach here plan of Sach Khand and also the new manji Sahib design for Guruji...

i did a thesis act on this topic...n what i can in conclusion is this...

-during the era when Guruji build Gurdwaras...the sewadars were mainly Hindu and

Islam...n so it effect on the architecture that has been adapt in Sikhism....

-domes...are design and intoduce by Rome...or in other word...during the dark ages...in

Architecture....Rome era are known as the dark ages....so in my place i do wonder

when people told me that Domes belong to Islam and we should not put on

Gurdwars...and that happen when a new Gurdwara was been bulit...they have tear

down the Dome....

so basicly...from my ponit of view...we cant call our Gurdwara design as Sikhism Architecture...but if we all agree that the combination of design we have is our architecture...the we can call it Sikhism Arcitecture....mmmm...or in other word...its up to us...

mmmmm... so do i....hope some can give advice bout it...its also in handphones nowdays...n some of them will be walking around and say...i got guruji in my fone..

mmmmm...its not that im against it or for it...jst not sure d way it workd....i stand on fence...

d problem is our own people are so mixed up with this people that its not enough or just few of us to change the thing....

oh mayb we waiting for some one to wake again the sikh panth.....bhai sukha singh katha is a way of awakening.....

lets pray to guruji....before i meet the end in my life...let me die as a sheed...let me carry the fire of khalistan.....n let me show the world...that sikhs are still the way they used to be.....

show me the way waheguru...send me the guide and the leader that i had waited for long....let me drink the water of sheedi...

even sm try to send this sardar jokes thru sms or email....whay i will do is jst chage the sardar name into hindu name....n he will end up argue y i play joke on him....

make me happy that it hurt him...

i gess this is the way we can stop this sardar jokes by this ppl....

GREEN RIDGE... 3000 sikh soldier of 6n1/2 punjab sikh regimen hold japanese advance in kampar during the ww2 in malaysia..the war goes on for 4 days untill they run out of weapons and was killed......

i also had read...(i cant rem where..)

during the period of sri guru har rai ji...few times the mughals try to attck bt then before they even reach guruji they were defeted by the nature...

i also heard that the actuall thing was becose of this girl which had problem in walking...so the brothers stand to hold her....bt nowdays we can see hw people will simply go and stand...even those people rarely come to gurdwara will be ready to stand there.....1 more thing...the gurudwara i go.....wen i was very small....but i still remember clearly that....they use to throw flower or shining paper during the lava....so can u just imagine how many people will be standing.....later on it was stop...as smone realize that it is manmat....thank waheguru....

piari sangat ji...thanks for the help....il be submiting my thesis tomoro morning..its 3.30am n i just start printing nw.....

well as i say i will post he new Kuantan Gurdwara pic here....here u go.....

our mother has suffer the labour pain...n nw we wan them to wait 2 more minutes.....i tink that 2 minutes will feel like ages at tat time....

nice to hear all our sikh bro standing for Sikhi....good job done there.....

The traditional weapon of the Sikh warrior is the “Kirpan”, a curved sword kept razor sharp and one of the five “Ks” a baptised Sikh must wear. In battle, at the first opportunity, many of the Sikh foot abandoned their muskets and, joining their mounted comrades, engaged in hand to hand combat with sword and shield. Horrific cutting wounds, severing limbs and heads, were a frightful feature of the Sikh Wars in which neither side gave quarter to the enemy.

the way lion fights....

tat were the only reason for it.....n some Sikh leaders even talk with the prime minister n he denied of any restriction on domes....so probaly the gurudwara will have a dome soon....but some people need to be educated so that it wont happen again...im looking for the gurudwara picture....il tryto post as soon as i can....

Yeah, North Indian architecture was pretty much Indo-Turko-Persian. Tradition for gurdwaras to have dome, but its not religious.

Why dont they let you guys put the dome anyways?

becose the local goverment say the domes will make the gurudwara look like mosque...n people may get confuse.....

true that architecture refer more to culture...but rem Sri Guru Arjan Dev Ji monitor and built our first gurudwara(Sri Harimandir Sahib)...so there is some aspect of religion been put in it....but then i also agree that sikh architecture is more towards the wedding of islam and hindu architecture.....domes are well known symbol used for religion bulding...as we no the 1st dome ever created in this world was , Treasury Of Atreus-14 century BC...but then people ask why we used in Sikhism...is true that we can always say that it is the symbol for religion building.....but then they ask back...which religion as the west has alredy fix it for islam....then y do other use it....and the quetion goes on and on....

im crazy d.....

recently in Malaysia there was new Gurudwra been open in Kuantan in where the local government didnt let the Gurudwara commitee to put a dome...

so im doing my thesis related to Gurudwara domes....and i wana to send this thesis to the local goverment of Malaysia in Kuantan.....but sad to say...i dont have info bout it.....and i dono what to write anymore....i got 1 more week to submit my draf.....i hope i can get some help here... if any one of u out here have any infomation regarding the domes plssss let me know......

i need info on...

-the important of domes in Sikhism

-Sikh Gurudwara identity

-the factor of using the domes in Gurudwara

-what is the effect to the image and also to the community

-if can i am also looking for....the sound effect in domes,

-and the most important... what those this domes mean to u....how does this domes effect us....and what are the benefit of having it....

pls help me...thanks....

find a very intresting and simple story that happen during Guru Gobind Singh Ji...make it into few part....have the camp goes the way the story goes...part by part....in where very thing that u going to teach during the camp must be related to the story...start the classroom section with a bit of the story and a bit more at the end of the class....keep it goin make sure u tell it in a intresting way....do wat ever way u have to...but make it is intresting...then during the final event of the camp...finish the whole story as conclusion for the whole camp.....

good luck.....

i post this yesterday but dono y d admin throw away this topic....."lepak laaaaa"

'Nineteen Eighty-Four' depicts the storming of the Golden Temple, the Sikh community's most holiest and historic shrine, by Indian troops in 1984. It reflects the personal sense of suffering and injustice felt by Sikhs world-wide, during the attack and in the aftermath of violence which resulted in the injury and death of thousands of innocent men, women, and children in Punjab.

The different perspectives displayed by the composition seek to convey the "mixed feelings" experienced by the artist, along with many fellow British Sikhs, when news of the attack first appeared in the media. The distant, bird's eye view of the Golden Temple itself symbolises the geographic and physical separation of the Diaspora Sikh community from what was happening in India, and their consequent feeling of detachment which was heightened by "the notable lack of media coverage at the time". In contrast, the ground level close-up view of details in the foreground focuses on the atrocities carried out by the Indian army, emphasising the Diaspora's emotional attachment and closeness to what was happening, despite being physically removed from the situation.

The painting was initially inspired by the artist's anger at the "inadequate and biased media coverage which contradicted the personal, eye witness accounts, that were filtering through from the Sikh community in India at the time and, later, the various Amnesty International and Human Rights Movement reports". In her "liberating" of the Golden Temple from alleged Sikh terrorists, who had based themselves in the grounds of the complex, the media generally portrayed Prime Minister Indira Gandhi as the moral victor. However, the painting shows that "the main casualties of the attack were in fact the thousands of pilgrims who had come to pay homage on one of the most important religious days in the Sikh calendar".

The bias of the media and "the damaging effects it has had on the image of the Sikhs" is symbolised by the group of blindfolded reporters who stand as 'partners in crime', shoulder to shoulder, with Indian troops (top left). There is a sense of horror and panic as pilgrims scramble over one another to find refuge from the bullets and armoured tanks. The diagonals created within the composition by the steep line-up of soldiers (right) and the specific orientation of the square temple complex, lends to the visual disturbance and chaos of the scene. The surrounding borders of the painting hem in the fleeing crowds, enhancing the feeling of claustrophobia and revealing the futility of their attempts to escape.

The symbolic representation of the 17th century Sikh warrior and martyr, Baba Dip Singh, (seen here supporting his severed head in his hand) whose defence of the Golden Temple against Muslim invaders became legendary, "reflects the common belief among Sikhs that the attack of 1984 paralleled the worst atrocities perpetrated against them in past history". Indira Gandhi's inclusion within the painting, even though she was not actually present during the attack, clearly puts the blame of bloodshed ultimately on her shoulders. Her political motives for the attack are called into question through those features which demonstrate the faultless past record of Sikh loyalty to India in her early battles against repeated foreign invasions and persecution, and throughout the fight for Indian Independence. These include the Jallianwalla Bagh Monument which honours those Sikhs who lost their lives in the Amritsar Massacre of 1919, (a decisive turning point in India's struggle for Independence), the severed head of Independence freedom fighter Bhagat Singh Saeed and that of Guru Tegh Bahadur (the ninth Sikh leader whose martyrdom for the sake of the Hindu faith earned him the title of 'Hind Ki Chaddur' - or 'Protector of India'). Having been offered to India on a sacrificial plate, both heads are shown being frivolously tossed aside by Mrs Gandhi. These symbols provide a context to the "total incomprehension, deep sense of betrayal and hurt which Mrs Gandhi's actions evoked within the Sikh community". Essentially, the attack of 1984 was regarded by many as an ill judged move by Mrs Gandhi in her wrangle for popularity in the polls. In this respect, this painting takes on board a more universal message where Mrs Gandhi is depicted as a "muilti headed demon" composed of various 20th century politicians (including Clinton, Thatcher and Churchill) -who collectively "represent the kind of political abuse which manipulates the 'dispensable' masses in an obsessive thirst for personal power.

helmet is a helmet n if i nt mistaken....guruji has also say smthing like...if a sikh wear a helmet he will suffer punishment.......i nt sure hw it is...bt i no there is...as i read it before....bt i cant remeber.....can smone pls correct me.....

im on 647...come all the sikhs out there...here this call of duty which we need to perform....at least come and answer this call.....

take it back man....if they dont let you...get letter from gurudwara......

as far as i know nishan sahib was first used by guru amardas ji .... it was plain orange ....

mayb its true.....n it mayb the same nishan sahib rais by guruji at akaal takth......

this is what i read act....i not sure if its true or not......correct me if im wrong...

nishan sahib was first used by our guru of miri piri...sri guru hargobind sahib ji.....the story is somethng like this.....at that period of time...the sikhs with guru will do kirtan and read bani....n when the mugal gt to know this they take out a fatwa that no person other then islam can pray in that area....when a sikh told gurji about this.....guruji ask to collect as many people as they can every day and do kirtan louder than usually they used to do......

the mugal used to kill people and destroy their houses.....and this people will seek refuge in the houses of sikhs or gurudwaras...when the mughal get to know bout this...the take out the fatwa that other than masjid there should not be any places for this people to seek for protection.....open hearing this.....guruji order his sikhs to put flag pole and to create a 'nishan sahib'....and the order was some thing like.....raise it high that it will be seen by people from far......and for those who seek the protection this 'nishan sahib' will be their mark where they will find their protection.....

and the 1st 'nishansahib' was raise at takth sri Akaal Takhth.....i wonder if its still the same wan that guruji raise or it has been change....