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  1. yeah very true man. every once in a while one of these come on this forum. he calls himself punjabi but haven't written anything in favor of punjab. all the big corporations are in other states. Even if Amrinder is doing something but it is for Punjab. He is doing it to win support of the Sikhs. Sikhs have seen badal, tohra, talwandi, barnala, and many others who made promises but broke them all. Not a single person has tried to mention about 84 and all the prisoners in jails since 84. If someone talks like congress and BJP and surely he supports them. Some of the facts.

    The government put 197 projects in Maharashtar, 136 in Gujrat, 114 in Uttar Pradesh and only 19 in Punjab. In total budget of 15,668 crore (1 crore = 10 million) rupees the government gave only 345 crore to Punjab. When it comes down to economic growth Punjab is always the last to get anything.

    The government has left out nothing to make Punjab starve and make it dependent of Hindu government. Most fertilizers in India are used by Punjab but government put the mills that produce fertilizers in other states that do not even use 3% of it. Punjab uses tractors the most but factories are setup in Tamilnadu and Haryana. Sikhs have to buy tractors at higher costs. Punjab produces cotton crops for which Sikhs are not paid the fair price and government runs factories in other states like Ahmdabad (Gujrat) using cotton produced in Punjab. If factories in other states can be run using cotton produced in Punjab then why can’t these factories be setup in Punjab? It is possible but brutal government won’t allow it.

    According to the reports 60% of the farmers are in debt in Punjab but only 40% in Haryana. It i

    s very sad that banks in Punjab do not give loans to Sikh farmers. Sikhs have to get loans from brokers or loan commissioners who charge anywhere from 24% to 36% interest rate. In 1997 about 25,000 crore rupees just sat in the banks for nothing. It could have been given to farmers on 10 or 12% interest rate. The question arises that why wouldn’t the government do it? If you think clearly the answer becomes very obvious. The only reason is that the government wants to keep Sikhs as slaves in India and this is possible if they are in so much debt that they cannot even pay back.

    Situations may be different now and yes time has changed but injustice, oppression and julam on Sikhs and Punjab has not changed. There is no point in debate. SIkhs have declared Khalistan in 1987 and Sikhs are determined to get free Khalistan. We are called criminals and according to the government our biggest crime is: We wear turbans, follow Guru Gobind Singh Ji and call ourselves SIKHS.

    "Mohammad Shah Nay Keha Si, SIkh Punjab Ekthay, Dehan Taeen Nahin Koi Kar Vakh Sakda.

    Ghar Dey Bhaitee Jay Sanaa Na Laoon Isnoo, Rabb Vee Ehna Noo Gulam Nahin Rakh Sakda."

    Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

  2. okay i will state it again. A state has total control over the water that flows through it whether it be punjab or himachal. If rivers flow through Punjab then it cannot be given to other states for free.

    How would tractor factories help Punjab ?
    how would they not? more jobs for people and punjab would not have to pay more to buy tractors.
    Punjab does not have the raw materials needed to make tractors and these would all have to be imported form other states.

    uh..huh. so you are an expert now? how do you know? and maharashtra and gurjrat have all the raw material? government does not want any big factories or corporations in punjab. government can do anything. if government can put big projects in haryana then sure enough the same type of projects can be put in Punjab. Punjab is treated like a foreign country because it would benefit Sikhs.

    As Punjab does not want to provide water other states could retaliate and say no raw materials for Punjab. Diesal supplies into Punja

    b could be stopped which would force all of Punjabi farmers to a standstill.

    you sound totally like those BJP and congress people. they give same reasoning. Punjab BUYS it, does not get it for free. Punjab says no to other states over water because they get it for free. They get electricity for free from Punjab. your reasoning is stupid. The only way they can say no is if Punjab wants it for free.
    There is a huge shortage of labour in Punjab as it is due to youths not wanting to work.

    and you ever cared to find out why they do not want to work? They do not want to work in fields because after paying high prices on fertilizers, tractors and getting loan from agents on high interest rate of 20-30% they work their butt off and in the end what happens? they do not have the right to set the prices on their own crops. buyer get to set the price. how stupid. buyer would always want to pay as much less as possible. so what is the benefit for farmers? nothing. this is why youth is turning away from farming. few years ago, govt. refused to buy potatoes so farmers had to throw them out on the roads. govt. could've bought those to give 'em to those bihari and U.P. bhayias who starve to death. Most of the youth get no jobs after getting BS or MS degree. Sikhs are given no jobs. you ever wonder about that? i don't think so. With or without education there is no future for Sikhs in India. Go ahead take all the water you can but one day Sikhs will take the whole country. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

  3. Punjab must have total control over the water that flows through the state. This is a federal law. It is up to Punjab's govt. to decide who gets how much water. Punjab owns it not other states. yes, Punjab does get some stuff from other states but not for free. Punjab buys it so other states have to pay for the water if they want it. Other states blocking rails and other stuff would be illegal and totally stupid. Nothing is for free. They want water then buy it. Just on a note: Punjab uses more tractors and fertilizers than any other states but the factories that make these things are not in Punjab. So Punjab has to pay for it. If these factories were in Punjab there would be more jobs for people and more benefits to Punjab. This is all done to weaken the Punjab. India is the only country that has issues over states water. Pathetic brahmins cant do nothing good for their country. they are destroying it themselves. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

  4. Singh Ji, no one knows is that bibi is doing any bad things. she doesn't want to take amrit yet but that doesn't mean she can't wear dastar or practice sikhi. As many have stated before many people drink and smoke and wear puggs so where is the petition against them? Now, if she does do bad things then she should not wear dastar because it gives bad name to Sikhi. Why don't those "Gursikhs" try talking to her and bring her into Sikhi. by signing the petition you are only pushing her away from Sikhi. you cannot force religion on someone. She probably needs some sangat. One only receives Amrit when Guru Ji blesses him/her. may Guru Ji bless her. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

  5. Sadh Sangat Ji, while listening to katha by Maan Singh Jhour I found out that Bhai Mati Das Ji and Bhai Sati Das Ji were total 12 brothers and 10 were shaheeds. Two got Shaheedi with Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji and other 8 became shaheed during the time of Tenth Nanak Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Does anyone know about this? I would like to know their names and how they got shaheedi and where? if anyone has information about this please post it. I am unable to find any information on other 10 borthers of Bhai Sahibs. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

  6. Bhai Dyal Das Ji

    Bhai Dyal Das was another of the Sikhs who had been arrested along with Guru Tegh Bahadur, and taken to Delhi. Like his companions, Bhai Dyal Das was also arrested, chained and imprisoned in the Kotwali Delhi. After having martyred Bhai Mati Das, the qazis turned to Bhai Dyal Das. They led him to the spot where Bhai Mati Das had been sawn into two. He was told to see what had happened to his companion. He was advised to be wiser. He was told of joys and pleasures he could enjoy by accepting Islam. He was told what would happen to him if he refused to become a Muslim. Bhai Dyal Das heard all this. He did not feel nervous or afraid. He remained firm in his resolve. Then he said, 'My misguided friends, do you think that you have killed my brother, Bhai Mati Das ? You are mistaken. You have not killed him. You have given him ever lasting life. He has become immortal. He will live forever in the hearts of men. he will be source of inspiration to others. Many like him will rise and follow his example. A time will come when you and your emperor will be no more, but Bhai Mati Das will be yet alive. I will not give up my faith. The pleasure which you offer have no charm for me. The tortures which you have threaten me have no terrors for me. Be quick. Send me to where my brother, Bhai Mati Das, has gone to live forever in the lap of the Lord.'

    'All right,' said the Chief Qazi, 'be ready.' He was seated in a large boiling vessel. It was filled with water. Then they lit fire under it. They went on heating it from below. The water began to boil. Bhai Dyal Das was calm and cool all this while. He sat in the boiling water with no sign of suffe

    ring on his face. He did not give out even the faintest cry of pain. He went on repeating Guru's hymns. This went on until his soul left his body to join Bhai Mati Das.

  7. Most of the questions I was asked have been posted already but here are few more.

    1) After you die, will your hair turn yellow?

    NO. hair don't turn yellow but someone in my family will cremate my body.

    2) Some christian asked me. "how long's your hair?"

    as long as jesus's hair. (he got mad and never asked me again)

    3) some lady in subway. "how do you keep your hair up in that turban?"

    very carefully.

    4) how long do you have to wear turban? (asking for age limit)

    one time in high school this white girl kept asking me stupid questions like "do you take bubble bath". "do you use deodrant". i got mad and said "why, do you wanna join me"

    I had to say it to shut her off and teacher heard me too. he actually supported my answer. world is full of idiots. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

  8. It is a calender of Sikh Quam. We are a separate nation and must have a separate calender also. First, Sikhs used to celebrate everything according to bikarmi calnder, named after a hindu king Bikaramajeet. Now, Sikhs have Nanakshahi calender which is according to Sikh beliefs and months. Although it is not a perfect calender but all jathebandis should work together to resolve any issues and make it a complete panthik calender. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

  9. When Nanakshai calender was not yet published Jathedar asked everyone to come and discuss the matter with him. Unfortunately, no taksaals or any jatha went to discuss. Now they don't support it. Most of the Sikhs have tendency to take steps after things are done. When religious ban was being discussed in France hardly any Sikh spoke out and now the results are in front of us. We need to learn from this and be careful in the future.

  10. Bhai Manee Singh decided once to separate Guru Granth Sahib jee (some say this means that he changed the order of the baaNee and others say this means he made gutkaas and pothees. There is a Granth in Delhi attributed to Bhai Manee Singh in which the baaNee is divided not according to raag, but according to each Guru and then according to each Bhagat so this seems most likely the mistake that was made.) The sangat heard of this and was outraged and said that just like Bhai Manee Singh has cut the baaNee apart, he too should be cut to pieces for his mistake. They told Bhai Sahib, "Bhai Manee Singh! You too will be cut apart like this!".

    Bhai Sahib was a great Gursikh with so much Naam Simran. I find this piece of story fake. I think Bhai Sahib became Shaheed because he refused to pay for Diwali. A great Gursikh like him insulting Gurbani is very hard to believe.

  11. this discussion is actually pretty stupid. many have said that naam simran is for everyone. Bhai Gurdas is openly said "Waheguru Gurmantar Hai Japp Haumai Koee" and "Pratham Rehat Yeh Jaan Khanday Ki Pahul Chakay" which also tells that first step is to take Amrit not fifth. We get Naam by taking Amrit and by doing Naam we get Nimarata. Humility comes after Amrit. Anyone can do Simran but real way can only be taught by Panj Pyare, until then just keep reciting. those who are quoting from "Se Kineheya" book of Sant Harnam Singh Ji must also know that a disable person was brought to Sant Ji and Sant Ji whispered "Waheguru" in his ear. That disable person started saying "waheguru waheguru". even though he couldn't say it clearly but it surely made the effect and when he became healthy he took Amrit. and those who want page number of this sakhi-------------just start reading that book and you will find it.

    "Veer jee, I never said anything about not doing mool mantar!"

    Panj Pyare tell you what mool mantar is. don't they? so without taking amrit one shouldn't read mool mantar either. right?

    "In fact a non amritdhari would be best served doing a lot of mool mantars and reading a lot of bani. This will produce the most phal, a lot more than simran before amrit."

    how do you know? I always thought it was up to Guru Ji to decide who gets how much phal and laha.

    Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

  12. well maybe I am wrong. I have read this book myself and that was a while ago. I will recheck everything. however, I will post the names of some books that are very good and must be read by all. for example, Sundri, Satwant Kaur, Bijay Singh and Baba Naudh Singh by Bhai Veer Singh Ji are really good ones. I will post some more on Sikh history.

    As far as I know Sant Ji never had any meeting with congress people. he never went to delhi to talk to them. he always wanted them to come to Punjab because he said if they could go to Kashmir then why couldn't they come to Punjab.

  13. well there are plenty of books on our history so what was the need to write this one? the book is supposed to be about Sikh history as it states but only 100 pages for 200 years of history and most of the book on last 50 years. he also focuses more on politics. I will post the page number on which he states that indira gandhi wanted to bring someone forward who would support her mission and therefore Sant Ji was the right person.

  14. no offense but the author writes first 200 years of history in first 100 pages and then the rest he talks about how sikhs failed to be successful. he focuses more on downfall and also calls Sant Jarnail Singh Ji an agent of congress. so not everything is true in that book. everyone should read it but carefully with open mind.

  15. Phd in Sikhism does not mean you are a true Sikh or better than other Sikhs. It only means that you have studied Sikhism in depth and studied most of the granths in Sikhism and you are able to do parchaar. Many parcharak today do katha only to make money. many kirtanis do not go to music schools to learn. We have Music schools that teach Kirtan then why can't we have Parcharak Schools that would teach you how to preach. Then Gurdwaras will have Granthis who are educated in religion, have degrees and can do parchaar in English. what's wrong with that?

    "No one can decide whether some degree should be handed out to rectify that one Sikh understands Sikhism better than another. "

    One who knows names of all Ten Gurus and knows the Rehat understands Sikhism lot better than someone who doesn't know names of our Gurus and knows nothing about the Rehat.

    "No piece of paper with a medal and declaration on that will accomplish that. It is a personal journey. "

    Personal journey toward Waheguru. This is spiritual experience through Naam Jaap. Phd in Sikhism would mean that you have the authority to do Parchaar and you are approved by the Panthick School. Nothing wrong with that. Phd do to parchaar, Phd to do Kirtan not Phd to reach Waheguru. You misunderstood.

  16. "How is Sikhism in danger?"

    Go to Punjab and see how our population is decreasing day by day. Our youth doing drugs and going away from Sikhi and all beacause of the government's agendas. Most of the true Gursikhs were killed in fake encounters. Go to Punjab and ask old people how Sikhism is different than it was b4 84. might wanna read this http://www.searchsikhism.com/issues/rss.htm

    "The Sikh searches for answers by listening to both sides."

    so rather than asking questions on how Sikhs will run Khalistan. You can look for answers and say "I have one solution which might be one of the possibilities."

    "This is where the Gurujis have instructed us to teach, veerji. We must act too. Promote that we care for all people and consider everyone on some path to Sikhi. "

    true we should do parchaar but when we do indian government officials come in and threat to kill everyone if they did not cut their hair. I have many incidents that took place. People on this site have many more. Galileo was speaking the truth but pope did not listen. So we gotta have a strong home to support us. and we also need funding. Khalistani govrnment will provide safety and money to do parchaar. Religion spreads through power. When we have Khalistan we will teach people about SIkhism and how to live peacefully with equality.

    "Either we educate our opressors or bring them to justice."

    first we tell them that they made huge mistake by killing Sikhs then we bring them to justice.

    "We should never kill Waheguru's creation out of spite. Whatever actions they have commited, they should be

    responsible for."

    Sikhs never do. We only kill people who killed our brothers and sisters. It is our responsibility. Khalsa is "Army of God" so it is Khalsa's responsibility to bring the criminals to justice.

    "The Jews never went back and killed Germans for what the Nazis did to them. In time they got their land."

    we are not Jews. Bhai Sukha Singh Mehtab Singh killed Massa Ranghar for disrespecting darbar Sahib but no Sikh ever killed his children. Jews got land from America. I don't see anyone helping Sikhs. We won't sit and wait.

    "See, in one sentence you say we have a reason to hate hindus. Right after you don't support anyone hating hindus. "

    No, I said they have the reasons. I did not say I have the reasons. I hate everyone who is against Sikhi.

    Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

  17. "So will you do business with meat eaters if they are not allowed in Khalistan?"

    Eating meat is against Sikhi and only that. Guru Gobind Singh Ji stayed with Bahadur Shah who was meat eater but that doesn't make Guru Ji bad. does it?

    "All citizens of Khalistan must be Amritdhari? "

    All Sikhs must be amritdhari. Others must live by rules passed by the government. if they don't like it they are welcome to leave.

    "For all those that pray for Khalistan and fight for Khalistan who aren't Amritdhari are we prepared to say, "Thanks for the fight, now you HAVE TO take Amrit to live here." ?"

    hmm. which other group is fighting for Khalistan? Only Sikhs are. Taking Amrit is not a choice. it is first step in Sikhi. Guru Ji said so. "Paratham Rehat Yeh Jaan, Khanday Ki Pahul Chakay" others can be taught about Sikhism. With enough knowledge about Sikhism they will take Amrit. Again, they don't have to live there.

    "Will Khalistan be a Nation run with the Gurudwaras and the State as separate entities?"

    Again your church state crap here. Sikhs will decide when time comes to setup a government. USA has separate church-state policy but president himself takes part in national prayer and he takes an oath putting his hand on bible. so not much of a church state separate policy. problems can be dealt with. Sikhs will decide how much church state should stay together and how much separate.

    "Why can't we just state simply that no animals can be slaughtered in Khalistan for food and put harsh taxes on importing meat. "

    okay. Sikhs will look at all possibilities. I did not say they wouldn't.

    "How can we prevent

    something like this from happening? There are a few who will make it their business to introduce these things into Khalistan. It is a source of revenue. Drugs and alcohol are in every country."

    How many SIkhs did drugs and stuff in 18th century? None. They were all true Sikhs because they knew the message of our Gurus and had name of Guru Ji in their hearts all the time. people who do this kind of business lack the true knowledge about Sikhism. they can be educated. During Baba Banda Singh and Maharaja Ranjit Singh, Sikhs were not alcoholics. A strong Sikh government will be very effective. If leaders are corrupt then Panth will be corrupt. government should be a role model. You might wanna read Guru Ji's definition of Khalsa Raj. you are thinking too much materialistic stuff.

    "You can not say this with certainty. There will always be someone out there claiming to follow the Sikh path, but will act to destroy its virtues. Fundamentalism afflicts all religions. This person will consider themselves a Sikh even though we do not. It is always a possibility. If we rule it out, we will never suspect it, and this is where we are careless."

    Definition of a Sikh is given by Guru Ji. it doesn't matter what we think. If that person is not following the Rehat then certainly he is not a Sikh. A Sikh would never drink, smoke and eat meat. Strict laws can be passed to prevent it.

    "The path a Sikhi follows is a path of choices. We can show them the right path"

    it depends on what kind of choices you are talking about. you don't have any choice in what you wanna do in Sikhi. Guru Ji tells you the rehat and you do it. you can have choices in business and other stuff but when it comes to Sikhi, Panj Pyare clearly tell you what to do and what not to do. and right, we can show them the right path our Guru Ji showed us. Majority being the Sikhs and doing the right things will influence bad people to stop it. Sangat makes very good influence.

    "If we vote against the Gurudwaras then

    are we against the Khalsa as well, veerji? Should we not allow the Gurudwaras to vote? Or should we not vote at all and let the Gurudwaras decide. "

    when did Gurdwaras ever decide in choosing the leaders or government. Sikhs in 18th century used to have Sarbat Khalsa at Akaal Takhat Sahib but only Sikhs chose their leaders. I don't see how Gurdwaras will vote and vote in what? Sikhs will have to choose their leader and they will. Sikhs will also control Gurdwaras. So Gurdwaras will not have any type of control over government because Sikhs control Gurdwaras and Sikhs run the government which will be setup by Sikhs. There will be no conflicts over power. Sikhs will be running Gurdwaras and the government.

    "If we ban meat, alcohol and other items, and if Sikhism teaches us to be wary of material possessions. What will Sikh consumers purchace? If meat products aren't allowed because they promote the death of animals, then why should leather shoes, sofas, luxury cars, certain items of clothing etc be allowed in Khalistan."

    why not? Sikhs won't be responsible for killing those animals. wearing leather shoes does not mean you eat meat. Also, if an animal is sick and dies then no one is responsible for the death. No one killed it so if human can get some benefit then why not. Guru Ji used to wear heavy shield made out of rhino's skin.

    "The more you ban or restrict these items because of their source the more people will look to get them through evil means. "

    Sikhs turning evil? highly impossible. again, we can educate. can't we?

    "While our poor are trying to pay us back for the houses we built, the food we've given them and the salarie we hand out for their work. Where again does our country become prosperous? We'll be in debt right at the beginning. "

    their work will benefit the government. won't it? take another look at New Deal in America. Their work will benefit the country. The government will manage the spending and budget.

    Y

    ou say you have master degree but surprisingly you still think Sikhs cannot run a stable government. Sikhs will come up with solutions. We are smart people. Do you really think they are gonna do whatever I am writing? I maybe wrong but certainly highly educated Sikhs will setup the government. They will know what to do.

    "What income will the Gurudwaras see? How can they maintain their spiritual centres when the country is controlling everything of the country. And how can a Communist government coincide with the Gurudwaras?"

    Gurdwaras needs income? why? for what reasons? People donate. Government will establish organizations to do parchaar. Khalistani government wont be communist. A country doing good things for its own people does not make it a communist. Sometimes government needs to step in to make things better. We can't just sit back and wait for economy to come back up. Sikhs will decide the power of state and federal government. Again, Gurdwaras will be controlled by Sikhs and country will be controlled by Sikhs. So sikhs controlling everything. oh my god, will that make us communists?

    "That is because you do not have an economics degree and you don't understand the simple prinicples of supply and demand. "

    yes but you have a degree and even then you are acting like a sissy girl and rather than looking for solutions you are coming here asking questions. Sikhs don't say "I have this question. I am not gonna look for answer so lets forget about setting up the government and live like slaves." We have strong will to survive and we will do everything to make the system work. Just so you know we will have Sikh economists lot smarter than you.

    "Unfortunately I have. There is a Sikh Singh who comes to the University and studies, Waheguru bless him. I spoke with him. He has not seen his family for 30 years. He was banned from coming to the University because he has Schizophrenia. Yet he is most intelligent, and teaches some of us math. His turban has been chewed by mo

    ths and we many of us from the local Sikh Youth Organization have tried to find him foster care. "

    yeah Guru Ji bless him but one out of how many? How many Sikhs are starving to death?

    "Don't be so quick to think that Singhs all live an easy life. We all have struggled. And many don't admit the debt they are in."

    Sikh's life is full of struggles. Life is tough but you gotta learn how to survive. We need Khalistan to survive. We want our future generations to learn about Sikhi not some hindi and english songs.

    “I'd love to say that about Sikhs. Yet the USA and Canada are sights of severe discrimination."

    which is exactly why we need Khalistan. No discrimination. but that does not mean Sikhs are not successful.

    "some after a lifetime of hard work are reaping the benefits, many are driving buses and taxis, working at convenience stores and being targeted for their beliefs. "

    still surviving. aren't they? we are being targeted which has made us determined that in order to live in this world we have to have our home Khalistan.

    "Many Jews in Europe and Russia and Asia migrated to Israel. The Zionists were all over the world, and many came to make there home in Israel. Its mundane to think that people from all over the world that support Khalistan won't endeavor to make their homes there. Sure not all people will move. But there are many who would rather be with a Sikhi population."

    of course not all will move especially the rich ones and those who have sikh names and yet don't know anything about Sikhism. There are more people in Sikhism who know nothing about Sikhism than those who do. Only people who want Khalistan and live as Sikhs will move. People who don't like to see turbaned Sikhs surely will not move.

    "Historically that is never true. Fighting never ends over land."

    we need enough land to secure ourselves. We will win the war, india will surrender and we will take our land.

    "Peaceful resoluti

    ons are usually compromises. How much are you willing to compromise when you make demands?"

    demands: everything we ruled up until 1849 is ours. all compromises after that.

    "You don't sound moderate at all! "

    i don't care what you think. We will take what's rightfully ours.

    I have a suggestion for you. Why don't you save your church-state and economic questions until we are ready to setup a government. Will be much better then and beneficial. will help us to setup a better government. Until then you can start writing the agenda and policies which would help Sikhs to lay a strong foundation of Khalistan. does that not sound good? if you are too smart and no one is able to answer your questions then you must be smart enough to come up with solutions of the problems many countries are facing now. so adios my friend. Save your questions until then.

    Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

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