Bijla Singh

Regarding Bhai Gurdaas Ji's Vaar, there is something more you do not know and when I have time I will upload the Katha which will explain the truth about the story. Gurbani says Bhagat Ji did Bhagtee and had darshan. The prayer is what Bhagat Ji said after he had darshan. Bhai Gurdas Ji will not write something that directly conflicts with Gurbani. I wrote what I believe in already so no point to argue.

I never spoke against hinduism. I wrote what Gurbani says unless you can show me where I wrote something against hinduism and making fun of their religion. Yes they can do whatever they want and I am not judging anyone but a wrong thing is wrong. idol worship is wrong and Gurbani says so. therefore I call it wrong. I am not telling anyone not to do it but I do call it wrong. Ninth Guru Nanak gave sacrifice to show that forcing religion and killing innocent people on the name of God is wrong whether it was hindus or muslims. he did not like Hinduism more than Islam. He loved all equally. if muslims were in the same situation he would have done the same thing. So sacrifice was not for hinduism but for freedom as you stated.

I do not hate hindus but I am against indian government and those who are anti-sikhi. Majority of the hindus already hate Sikhs because Gurbani condemns hindu beliefs. I do respect other religions but certainly not willing to accept their beliefs. that's all.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Some quotes from Gurbani.

“You worship gods and goddesses, but you do not know the Supreme Lord God. Says Kabeer, you have not remembered the Lord who has no ancestors; you are clinging to your corrupt ways.” (Page 332)

"Why worship gods and goddesses, O Siblings of Destiny? What can we ask of them? What can they give us? The stone gods are washed with water, O Siblings of Destiny, but they just sink in the water." (Page 637)

"They who say the stone is a god; in vain is their service. He who falls at the feet of the stone; vain goes his labor. My Lord ever speaks. The Lord gives gifts to all the living beings. The Lord is within, but the blind one knows not. Deluded by doubt, he is caught in a noose. The stone speaks not, nor gives anything. In vain are the ceremonies of the idolater, and fruitless his service." (Page 1160)

"The blind ignorant ones stray in doubt and so deluded, deluded they pluck flowers for worship. They worship the lifeless stones and adore tombs. Their service all goes in vain." (Page 1264)

Do not listen to me. Listen to Gurbani and Gurbani says those who worship idols are blind ignorants and fools. Nothing more authentic than Gurbani. So you can either believe in that story or Gurbani. The choice is yours.

I did not write the post to argue. I wrote what I know. I do not believe Bhagat Dhanna Ji worshipped any stones because Sikhi is totally against it.

"sources ? and besides, Guruji holds women in great respect, and u making it sound like some sort of punishment to be born as woman"

No I did not. this is how to took it. Where did i say Guru Ji did not hold any respect for women? you want the shabad, here it is.

Gond:

One who chases after the god Bhairau, evil spirits and the goddess of smallpox,

is riding on a donkey, kicking up the dust. ||1||

I take only the Name of the One Lord.

I have given away all other gods in exchange for Him. ||1||Pause||

That man who chants ""Shiva, Shiva"", and meditates on him,

is riding on a bull, shaking a tambourine. ||2||

One who worships the Great Goddess Maya

will be reincarnated as a woman, and not a man. ||3||

There you have it. Being reincarnated as a woman does not mean a punishment but Guru Ji says it does not do any good because you are taking birth again so the best thing is to worship Waheguru.

"yes it was bhagat naamdev, himself a hindu, who said so. But do u know the deeper meaning behind this tuk? "

I know the meaning and no Naamdev was not a Hindu. being born in a hindu family does not make you a hindu. he never did anything that hindus do i.e. idol worship etc.

"The reason muslim has been called one-eyed is coz they dont worship idols."

very funny so all Gurus and Sikhs are one eyed since they do not worship idols. The reason Muslims are called one eyed is because th

ey think Allah is only in Masjid and lives in the west a place called Kabba and they do not see the God everywhere.

"Meaning that those hindus who follow religion blindly without any love are blind"

No, I disagree. Idol worship is blindness. God is One and only One not like some 330 millions gods and goddess in hinduism. As Jaap Sahib says, "Anaik Hein Fir Aik Hein." But again He/She is ONE. Idol worship is not accepted in Sikhism. Guru Ji says worship God with love. I say it again Worship GOD not idols. Love comes from Naam Simran not by idol worship. A person can practice football everyday for five hours with much concentration and focus but without a coach he would never know if he is practicing right. Just like this, without having a true Guru Guru Granth Sahib Ji we will never know how to love God and how to worship Him. Gurbani teaches us love and how to worship God. What can idols teach you since they do not even speak. they get dirty then how do you expect those idols to clean the filth of your mind and teach you about love? not everything is about love. I say I love God but if I do not wake up in Amrit Vela, do not do Simran and do not do my Nitnem will I ever attain my goal? I don't think so. I have to wake up and do amrit vela and read Bani and how do I know that because my True Guru teaches me that and after I do all these things then I will know what true love of God is. it does not come in your heart just like that. Then how do you expect me to believe that Hindus doing idol worship with love will get there? Who is teaching them? if you say vedas, purans, simirtis, upnishds then My Guru Gobind Singh Ji rejecting all those books says "Simrat Shastar Baid Sabhay Bahu Bhaid Kahe, Hum Ek Na Janeyo". All Gurus praised only one God.

Bhai Gurdas Ji says "Millions of Vedas and Puranas are insignificant before the praises of the Lord. "

Some Bhagats say this.

"The four Vedas, the Simritees and the Puraanas, Vishnu the Lord of Lakshmi and Lakshmi herself - none of t

hem know the Lord. ||3||" Bhagat Kabeer Ji

"What is the use of reading the Vedas and the Puraanas? It is like loading a donkey with sandalwood." Bhagat Kabeer Ji

"There are countless Vedas, Puraanas and Shaastras; I do not sing their songs and hymns." Bhagat Naam Dev Ji

And also proves they were not hindus since they never accepted hindus scriptures and never followed hinduism.

So idol worship with or without love is nothing but foolishness on part of those who do it. Some vedas talk about God little bit but nothing from Hindu philisophy is accepted. I do not say this Bhai Gurdas Ji does by syaing "Mareyaa Sikka Jagat Vich Nanak Nirmal Panth Chalaiyaa" So Guru Ji started a new religion a true way of life.

At last I am not trying to point my finger at anyone saying who is right or wrong and nor do I say any web site is wrong. Bhagat Dhanna Ji worshipped only one God and had darshan by doing Simran. Is there any other way in Sikhi? If yes then what is it? and Why didn't Panj Pyare tell me about the other ways? The question is not whether Bhagat Ji brought the stone home the question is how he got darshan and the answer is simple Naam Simran. It is The Only Way. What I know is Bhagat Ji did not do any idol worship. Some Hindu Brahmins wrote it to prove that idol worship is not a pakhand. Many of you have probably heard that Bhagat Fareed Ji spent 36 years of his life in jungles and did Bhagtee. Well if you did not know then I tell you it is a fake one. So my point is people do make up stories and it is stories like these that brain wash people and lead people to believe that Sikhism is just a sect of Hinduism.

Those who do Nitnem of Panj banis in the morning must know this because tenth Nanak's Bani Tavparsaad Swaiyaas say "Kou Butaan Ko Poojat Hai Pass, Kou Mirtan Ko Poojan Dhaiyo, Koor Kireya Urjheo Sab Hi Jagg Siri Bhagwaan Ko Bhaid Na Paiyo"

Literally meaning those who worship idols are animals. "Pass" means animals. Clearly this

shabad means that those who worship idols, dead bodies have not learned the truth and they are nothing but animals. They are busy in "Koor Kireya" and they have not understood the reality or the True Waheguru.

Sikhism is a separate religion and will always be. No idol worship, no fasts or dieties, no blindness and no polytheism. Just one Waheguru all prevading, love, humanity, unity, Naam Simran etc.. This is what Sikhi is all about.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

It seems like some people here are misguided. You can believe in anything you want whether idol worship or whatever but one thing I would like to clear up is that Sikhism is against idol worship 100%. Regarding Bhagat Dhanna Ji, SOGGSJ posted the Shabad from Gurbani and I think no one really read it or paid attention to it. I am gonna post it again here so ppl can understand how Bhagat Dhanna Ji got Darshan of Waheguru.

Fifth Mehl:

Naam Dayv's mind was absorbed into God, Gobind, Gobind, Gobind.

The calico-printer, worth half a shell, became worth millions. ||1||Pause||

Abandoning weaving and stretching thread, Kabeer enshrined love for the Lord's lotus feet.

A weaver from a lowly family, he became an ocean of excellence. ||1||

Ravi Daas, who used to carry dead cows every day, renounced the world of Maya.

He became famous in the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, and obtained the Blessed Vision of the Lord's Darshan. ||2||

Sain, the barber, the village drudge, became famous in each and every house.

The Supreme Lord God dwelled in his heart, and he was counted among the devotees. ||3||

Hearing this, Dhanna the Jaat applied himself to devotional worship.

The Lord of the Universe met him personally; Dhanna was so very blessed. ||4||2||

Shabad clearly states that Dhanna Ji looked at other bhagats and how they became famous. Looking at that Dhanna Ji did bhagtee himself and got darshan. There is nine type of bhagtee according to Sikhi and idol is not one of them. Historian have written many things but nothing more a

uthentic than Gurbani. I wouldn't trust those hindu history books because Hindu historians write history to prove that Sikhism is a sect of hinduism. This is why they write hindu philosophy in Sikhism. They even try to prove that Bhagats like Kabeer Ji, Naamdev Ji and Ravidaas Ji were hindus but if you actually read their Gurbani you will find how much they went against Hindu philosophy and idol worship. Gurbani teaches that worship the creator not the creation. The Creator is Waheguru only not some statues made by humans.

Guru Ji says that if you worship goddess you take life of a woman in your next life. If you worship hindu god shiva you will be riding a bull. If you worship Waheguru you become one with Waheguru. Therefore worshipping stones will turn your hearts into stones and no wonder why hindu attacked Darbar Sahib and then distributed sweets and food to the army. Guru Ji called hindus "Anna" or blind because they do not see the truth or God. They do not see that God is everywhere and within themselves. Guru Ji says how do you expect those statues to take you across the life of ocean when they sink in the water. Of course, love is needed but love does not come without getting Naam and "Jan Nanak Naam Guru Tay Paiyaa" There is no other way. Guru Gobind Singh Ji said "When Khalsa starts following Bipran Ki Reet I will not support them". Idol worship is bipran ki reet and biggest pakhand in the world. Bhagat Naamdev Ji says if those statues made of stones are god then the stones you walk on must be god too. If statues are god and God created everyone then who created those statues? Not everything is about having love and devotion because then you can start following anything and say you have true devotion. Hindus worshipping statues is nothing but blindness. You need to learn the true path and only true Guru Granth Sahib Ji teaches the true way of life. This is why Guru Ji said "Highest is the truth (God) but truthful living is even higher." If all you need is love and idol worship is "right"

then there was no need for Guru Nanak Dev Ji to come to this world and start a new religion and there was no need for Guru Gobind Singh Ji to warn the Khalsa about Bipran Ki Reet.

True love comes from Naam Simran and you get Naam from Guru Ji when you take Amrit. Guru Ji says "Paiyaa Amrit, Gur Kirpa Keenee, Saccha Man Vasaiyaa". True love is love of God. take Amrit, get Naam and do Simran. Follow the Rehat Maryada Panj Pyare tell you and let Guru Ji do the rest.

That's all I wanted to say. Do whatever you want and believe in whatever you want but does not mean what you do or believe in is what Sikhi says.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

i thought ppl would figure it out but guess not. click on the link and a page will open up then click on guilty.asf that is the video file. and no one has seen it b4 unless you seen vicky stealing...hahahahahaha

okay. here is the rest of the video. you all seen MIJ crossing the river so i cut that part out and had to reduce the quality. i added no sound. watch vicky singh closely because he takes money out of MIJ's wallet and puts it in his pocket. of course he gave it back but then his nikker came off...hahahaha. thats a separate video and i wont put that up. enjoy.

http://www.searchsikhism.com/movie/

i had another thought. i think should put the rest of the video up. vicky singh cut off the best part. it was sooo funny. hahahahaha what u think vicky singh? hahahahaha

well we will let it go this time. we gonna save the cracks and patka for later. now here is a poem about sant sucha singh. read it and have good laughs.

very funny vicky. why don't you put the rest of the video which shows your kartoots...hahahahaha. people wud see what you did instead of paying MIJ. you got caught man. no way to escape. hahahahahaha. remember i got the other videos done too. hahahahahaha.

"BTW.. no-one got any pix of mine.."

you sure man? is that a challenge? cuz i think i can change your mind by putting your pics up and some videos. hahahahaha. remember white patka, gel, braided hair and pajama...hahahahahaha nah i won't do that. that be too much. you still our little brother even though you have some other ways. :ww:: hahahahahaha

"why dont u cali singhs beat him up man!!! *cough*...i kow u guys can take him!"

we already did the job. hahahahaha....and vicky singh won't be putting up anything without asking us cuz otherwise ppl will see some cracks. hahahahahaha you know what i mean man jk hahaha

it is just a fun post. and vicky singh you know who is gel e. fish. do you want me to post the score board screen picture? hahaha. just ask sucha singh ji if its ok to put up his picture of being sucha. sangat would love it. deekhava ee aa. MIJ JCF RULES. hahahahahahaha

You ppl don't know how sucha this sant is. I think someone (gel e. fish) should put a picture of Sant Ji being Sucha. People need it these days.